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Confederate Poleis
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Repeal "On Abortion"

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Postby Phydios » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:16 pm

No draft, no support. That's the way things tend to go here. Come for feedback before trying to eat the sun, okay?
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Postby Tinfect » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:32 pm

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Oh boy, here friend, let me show you a sneak-peak of the next thing to hit the queue if that passes:
Condemning the act of legally preventing an individual from accessing abortion services in the strongest possible terms,
[...]
Requires Member-States to legalize abortion in all cases,
Further requires Member-States to offer this service free of charge, or at fully-subsidized rates with no obligation of repayment, if:
    Continued pregnancy or birth poses substantial risk to the life or health of the parent,
    Conception occurred due rape or other sexual activity in which one party did not consent, or was legally incapable of consenting, to sexual activity,
    [...]
    Requires that Member-States protect individuals that have had an abortion or are seeking an abortion from discrimination or violence as a result of having or seeking an abortion,
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:24 pm

Tinfect is right here. The pro-choice majority has the power and the will to ram though a no-holds-barred no-compromise piece of international legislation.

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:06 am

Confederate Poleis wrote:Support this repeal.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1512763413

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Postby Attempted Socialism » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:09 am

Tinfect wrote:OOC:
Oh boy, here friend, let me show you a sneak-peak of the next thing to hit the queue if that passes:
Condemning the act of legally preventing an individual from accessing abortion services in the strongest possible terms,
[...]
Requires Member-States to legalize abortion in all cases,
Further requires Member-States to offer this service free of charge, or at fully-subsidized rates with no obligation of repayment, if:
    Continued pregnancy or birth poses substantial risk to the life or health of the parent,
    Conception occurred due rape or other sexual activity in which one party did not consent, or was legally incapable of consenting, to sexual activity,
    [...]
    Requires that Member-States protect individuals that have had an abortion or are seeking an abortion from discrimination or violence as a result of having or seeking an abortion,
OOC: Can one get a bigger look at this seemingly magnificent piece of in-your-face pro-choice proposal?


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Postby Wrapper » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:13 am

Next time, please post the text of the proposal.

Repeal: “On Abortion”

A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.

Category: Repeal

Resolution: GA#128

Proposed by: Faviola

General Assembly Resolution #128 “On Abortion” (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Mild) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

The World Assembly,

Recognising the need for abortions in the instances referred to in the first operative clause of General Assembly Resolution #128 "On Abortion",

Deeply concerned, however, by the absence of a limit on the gestational age at which the resolution allows for a foetus to be aborted,

Furthermore troubled by the requirement for sovereign countries, including but not limited to countries with largely religious societies, countries with official state religions, and theocracies, to ensure the availability of abortion facilities, which effectively forces said nations to facilitate the construction of institutions that violate the core of their beliefs and morals,

Confused by the ambiguous phrasing in the fourth operative clause which mandates that "abortions are carried out in a way that is as painless as possible", whereas it is unclear whether or not the mandated mitigation of pain pertains to that experienced by the foetus or the mother,

Noting that foetuses respond to external stimuli and experience pain after eight weeks gestational age, and that the resolution, in failing to set a limitation on the gestational age at which the foetus is allowed to be aborted, effectively contradicts itself,

The World Assembly hereby repeals General Assembly Resolution #128 "On Abortion".

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Postby Tzorsland » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:26 am

I think you need to realize that given the current "Reproductive Freedoms" resolution, the repeal of "On Abortion" would actually make the abortion problem worse. It would allow untrained physicians to perform abortions. It would allow "forced abortions." It could be possible for force people to perform abortions against their moral stance.
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Postby Milwalkiee » Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:11 pm

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Postby Alpha Cassiopeiae » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:14 pm

"In addition to the concerns raised by my colleagues, I'd like to note that your proposal is very humanocentric. The World Assembly holds many different worlds and races. A problem, Ambassador, that could have been properly addressed had you gone through the drafting process."
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Carmine
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Postby Carmine » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:01 am

Confederate Poleis wrote:Support this repeal.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1512763413


Seeing as there is no draft, I can’t possibly approve.

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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:04 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Confederate Poleis wrote:Support this repeal.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1512763413

OOC: Nope. If you don't have the decency to give us a draft before submitting it, then you will struggle to get support from anyone.

If only.

What truly kills this is 1) the lack of a campaign and 2) the resolution it attempts to repeal.
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