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Union of Euro Soviet States wrote:OOC: Correction it should be Boujwa, But it still works as Boujwa is just the short hand of bourgeois

OOC: I realize that this is a fictional nation in a fictional world, but you don't get to just make up words. "Boujwa" isn't shorthand, it's an illiterate typo of bourgeois. If this were a Haitian Creole language board, maybe. But it's not, so "no".

Countries need nuclear weapons from tactical nukes to ones that could wipe Texas off the map to defend their homeland as you may know I have 7,000 nuclear warheads and therefore I will only use them for the defense of our motherland, those who are innocent and war criminals such as the black hawk therefore I disagree with the proposal to ban nuclear weapons along with the rest of the faction agree with us. We shall not be Beeten and sanctioned into submission for our weapons!

Frisbeeteria wrote:

Union of Euro Soviet States wrote:OOC: Correction it should be Boujwa, But it still works as Boujwa is just the short hand of bourgeois

OOC: I realize that this is a fictional nation in a fictional world, but you don't get to just make up words. "Boujwa" isn't shorthand, it's an illiterate typo of bourgeois. If this were a Haitian Creole language board, maybe. But it's not, so "no".

OOC: I am glad that a mod picked up on this. I have studied Marx in considerable depth, and I have never encountered the word "Boujwa" ever. I think that it was just an attempt by Union of Euro Soviet States to cover up the fact that they misspelled the word "bourgeois".

Russian Federation white ethnostate wrote:Countries need nuclear weapons from tactical nukes to ones that could wipe Texas off the map to defend their homeland as you may know I have 7,000 nuclear warheads and therefore I will only use them for the defense of our motherland, those who are innocent and war criminals such as the black hawk therefore I disagree with the proposal to ban nuclear weapons along with the rest of the faction agree with us. We shall not be Beeten and sanctioned into submission for our weapons!

OOC: Texas? Black Hawk?? What??

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OOC: We were promised a new draft, where is it?

Russian Federation white ethnostate wrote:...and therefore I will only use them for the defense of our motherland, those who are innocent and war criminals...

"Why on God's green earth would you want to defend war criminals?"

"If this does, somehow, pick up momentum, don't expect it to get very far, as several countries all have nuclear weapons and some have surpassed that tech and gone even further!"

Sweet Baby Jones wrote:"If this does, somehow, pick up momentum, don't expect it to get very far, as several countries all have nuclear weapons and some have surpassed that tech and gone even further!"

Feast your eyes on the almighty BHB "Blackhole Bomb" planetary genocide w/a single bomb

"eliminate our High Weaponry program? Are you daft? Even if, say, the entirety of this Body's represented nations were to agree on this, no let's go even worse, even if it got a unanimous vote (and then, zero ignoring of the resolution), What is there to stop me when some other nation, not even part of this body, decides that he just wants Pilarcraft gone? Should we, what, beg to their better sense? No. I refuse to agree with such a ridiculous proposal. Our High Weaponry Program does not pose any threats to any other nation, unless they are already in war with us. I see no reason for elimination thereof."
~Chief Lawbringer Severus Vesuvius

Pilarcraft wrote:"eliminate our High Weaponry program? Are you daft? Even if, say, the entirety of this Body's represented nations were to agree on this, no let's go even worse, even if it got a unanimous vote (and then, zero ignoring of the resolution), What is there to stop me when some other nation, not even part of this body, decides that he just wants Pilarcraft gone? Should we, what, beg to their better sense? No. I refuse to agree with such a ridiculous proposal. Our High Weaponry Program does not pose any threats to any other nation, unless they are already in war with us. I see no reason for elimination thereof."
~Chief Lawbringer Severus Vesuvius

The black hole bomb now in tactical warhead size if it destroys your planet you'll get your money back.

Why cant you guys come together and reduce your nuclear stockpiles just think nuclear weapons are outdated their is more effective weapons instead of having all of that irradiated wasteland.

United North American Commonwealths wrote:Why cant you guys come together and reduce your nuclear stockpiles just think nuclear weapons are outdated their is more effective weapons instead of having all of that irradiated wasteland.

“Let’s see... We can use nukes as a deterrent against hostile foreign powers, it’s the best thing some MT nations have, and it is merely for show of force. If you have an objection to it, fine. But many of us would rather see to it our nuclear umbrella doesn’t collapse.”

United North American Commonwealths wrote:Why cant you guys come together and reduce your nuclear stockpiles just think nuclear weapons are outdated their is more effective weapons instead of having all of that irradiated wasteland.

OOC: If you have a new draft for us to look at, then we are more than willing to look at that, but appealing to sentiment without using reasoned arguments will get you nowhere in the World Assembly.

I already posted it the two topics were merged but here it is:

Repeal “Nuclear Arms Possession Act”
A proposal to repeal a previously passed WA resolution #10

Category: Repeal
Resolution: #10
Proposed by: Federation of United North American Commonwealths

Description:
Understanding that WA members are allowed to possess nuclear weapons to defend themselves from hostile nations and realizing that the WA members need to be able to defend themselves if attacked.

Also acknowledging that non-member states are not required to abide by WA proposals,

But also acknowledging that this resolution allows WA States build excessive arsenals of nuclear weapons that are more than needed to defend their own Individual nations and only promotes more militarization that leads to bigger deadlier conflicts that further destabilizes The World Assembly's goal of Peace and Partnership.

The World Assembly hereby repeals “Nuclear Arms Possession Act.”

United North American Commonwealths wrote:I already posted it the two topics were merged but here it is:

Repeal “Nuclear Arms Possession Act”
A proposal to repeal a previously passed WA resolution #10

Category: Repeal
Resolution: #10
Proposed by: Federation of United North American Commonwealths

Description:
Understanding that WA members are allowed to possess nuclear weapons to defend themselves from hostile nations and realizing that the WA members need to be able to defend themselves if attacked.

Also acknowledging that non-member states are not required to abide by WA proposals,

But also acknowledging that this resolution allows WA States build excessive arsenals of nuclear weapons that are more than needed to defend their own Individual nations and only promotes more militarization that leads to bigger deadlier conflicts that further destabilizes The World Assembly's goal of Peace and Partnership.

The World Assembly hereby repeals “Nuclear Arms Possession Act.”

Better then last time but it still won't pass muster you need much stronger language and a better argument then just of it might lead to bigger deadlier wars. Why do you think no one has ever used nukes in real life after WW2 it's because of MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction)

United North American Commonwealths wrote:We The Federation of United North American Commonwealths Urge The World Assembly to Make Member States Gradually Reduce their Nuclear Stockpiles. This would make the NationStates Community Safe from Nuclear annihilation and Refocus The World Assembly's Efforts to The Advancement of Peace. Also if Any Member States do not Comply be removed from the World Assembly. Our Proposal is for The World Assembly Make Member States Reduce there Nuclear Arsenals to Under 1,000 and Limit them to Tactical Nukes.

"You can have my nukes and my mustard gas. We'll delviver them by ICBM and 16 inch cannon, respectively."

United North American Commonwealths wrote:I already posted it the two topics were merged but here it is:

Repeal “Nuclear Arms Possession Act”
A proposal to repeal a previously passed WA resolution #10

Category: Repeal
Resolution: #10
Proposed by: Federation of United North American Commonwealths

Description:
Understanding that WA members are allowed to possess nuclear weapons to defend themselves from hostile nations and realizing that the WA members need to be able to defend themselves if attacked.

Also acknowledging that non-member states are not required to abide by WA proposals,

But also acknowledging that this resolution allows WA States build excessive arsenals of nuclear weapons that are more than needed to defend their own Individual nations and only promotes more militarization that leads to bigger deadlier conflicts that further destabilizes The World Assembly's goal of Peace and Partnership.

The World Assembly hereby repeals “Nuclear Arms Possession Act.”

"Well, you've got the format right. However, your reasons, or reason, isn't that powerful. For example, you can claim that building more nukes causes more conflicts. But due to MAD and the appearance of nukes, the two global superpowers of the Cold War avoided sparking war directly. An opponent could argue by what I said that nukes are necessary as deterrents from conventional war. Find some more, stronger reasons. Otherwise, expect us as opponents."

United North American Commonwealths wrote:Also acknowledging that non-member states are not required to abide by WA proposals,

OOC: Irrelevant. If anything, that is a reason for WA members to possess nuclear weapons as a deterrent to the unlimited arsenals that non-WA members can have...

United North American Commonwealths wrote:But also acknowledging that this resolution allows WA States build excessive arsenals of nuclear weapons that are more than needed to defend their own Individual nations and only promotes more militarization that leads to bigger deadlier conflicts that further destabilizes The World Assembly's goal of Peace and Partnership.

OOC: Defining "excessive arsenals" as more nuclear weapons than are needed to defend their own nation is just wrong. That is a highly subjective determining factor that doesn't really mean anything. How can you possibly determine that a nation has more nuclear weapons than needed? This whole argument is very weak.

What good will this do if a non-WA nation decides to nuke the living hell out of us? Peace my arse, I'd rather have a stable defense system that I know works over the rest of the world taking too long to retaliate. Look at the cold war, and how while both America and Russia had nukes, neither of them did anything. This whole thing is rather silly if you ask me, and if this were a thing to vote on, I'd vote against the Elimination of Nuclear Weapons.

Ambassador, under what circumstances does the repeal of GAR 10 and prohibition on nuclear weapons not open member states in hostile areas to immediate threat? What constitutes "excessive" armament and how is that going to be qualified? How do you plan to monitor disarmament everywhere in the WA, which spans many different planets and even different universes?

To your more fringe suggestions. Placing all nuclear weapons, everywhere, under the control of the GA would be... problematic. The WA is prohibited from participating in wars, and adding bureaucratic mess and vastly increasing response times to the delicate decisions and processes of launching nuclear weapons would be quite unpopular and untenable. The proposal to reform the WA into a mutual defense treaty suggests that you do not understand the point of this assembly, Ambassador.

I suggest abandoning this politically impossible proposal and participating in discussion and voting to fully understand the culture of the GA before writing a proposal.

Alpha Cassiopeiae wrote:Ambassador, under what circumstances does the repeal of GAR 10 and prohibition on nuclear weapons not open member states in hostile areas to immediate threat? What constitutes "excessive" armament and how is that going to be qualified? How do you plan to monitor disarmament everywhere in the WA, which spans many different planets and even different universes?

To your more fringe suggestions. Placing all nuclear weapons, everywhere, under the control of the GA would be... problematic. The WA is prohibited from participating in wars, and adding bureaucratic mess and vastly increasing response times to the delicate decisions and processes of launching nuclear weapons would be quite unpopular and untenable. The proposal to reform the WA into a mutual defense treaty suggests that you do not understand the point of this assembly, Ambassador.

I suggest abandoning this politically impossible proposal and participating in discussion and voting to fully understand the culture of the GA before writing a proposal.

I know what Im doing Mutually Assured Destruction doesn't always keep things in balance you guys cant come together and finally get rid of these weapons of mass destruction just do it for the future generations so they don't have to live in the constant fear of annihilation.

United North American Commonwealths wrote:

Alpha Cassiopeiae wrote:Ambassador, under what circumstances does the repeal of GAR 10 and prohibition on nuclear weapons not open member states in hostile areas to immediate threat? What constitutes "excessive" armament and how is that going to be qualified? How do you plan to monitor disarmament everywhere in the WA, which spans many different planets and even different universes?

To your more fringe suggestions. Placing all nuclear weapons, everywhere, under the control of the GA would be... problematic. The WA is prohibited from participating in wars, and adding bureaucratic mess and vastly increasing response times to the delicate decisions and processes of launching nuclear weapons would be quite unpopular and untenable. The proposal to reform the WA into a mutual defense treaty suggests that you do not understand the point of this assembly, Ambassador.

I suggest abandoning this politically impossible proposal and participating in discussion and voting to fully understand the culture of the GA before writing a proposal.

I know what I'm doing. Mutually Assured Destruction doesn't always keep things in balance. You guys cant come together and finally get rid of these weapons of mass destruction. Just do it for the future generations so they don't have to live in the constant fear of annihilation.

"Listen, if you want our support, write something good. Listen to the criticisms and apply them to the draft. Otherwise, give this up and leave this to rot."

United North American Commonwealths wrote:

Alpha Cassiopeiae wrote:Ambassador, under what circumstances does the repeal of GAR 10 and prohibition on nuclear weapons not open member states in hostile areas to immediate threat? What constitutes "excessive" armament and how is that going to be qualified? How do you plan to monitor disarmament everywhere in the WA, which spans many different planets and even different universes?

To your more fringe suggestions. Placing all nuclear weapons, everywhere, under the control of the GA would be... problematic. The WA is prohibited from participating in wars, and adding bureaucratic mess and vastly increasing response times to the delicate decisions and processes of launching nuclear weapons would be quite unpopular and untenable. The proposal to reform the WA into a mutual defense treaty suggests that you do not understand the point of this assembly, Ambassador.

I suggest abandoning this politically impossible proposal and participating in discussion and voting to fully understand the culture of the GA before writing a proposal.

I know what Im doing Mutually Assured Destruction doesn't always keep things in balance you guys cant come together and finally get rid of these weapons of mass destruction just do it for the future generations so they don't have to live in the constant fear of annihilation.

OOC: Emotional rhetoric to the GA? You might as well use Earthquake on a Flying-type Pokémon. MAD has prevented any and all wartime use of nuclear weaponry for over 70 years. Any nation that disarmed themselves would be vulnerable to any nation that didn't. It's the same problem that pacifists have with banning guns- you cannot ensure that all are destroyed, you cannot destroy all knowledge of how to build and operate them, you cannot ensure that no one will ever again have them, and you cannot ensure that all nations will go along with your pacifist beliefs. MAD works, whether you like it or not. EOS.

IC: "Actually, ambassador, Phydios holds on to its WMDs specifically so that current and future generations don't have to live in the constant fear of annihilation. This is the real world, not a world of rainbows and unicorn farts where everything is awesome and happy and everyone gets along. There is evil out there, and we would not be doing our duty to our citizens if we didn't make ourselves look formidable to our enemies.

However, since you asked, we'd be more than happy to give you some or all of our nukes, warhead first. Is an aerial delivery okay?"

Finally, the SCUMBAG WA, an organization filled with more gangsters than bottles of cognac DEAREST LEADER owns in his collection, has come up with an admirable idea.

There are two types of nations. There are those who embrace order, such as Chuching. These are the truly great nations. Rising above the fray of confusion, they achieve the most desirable form of govenment. There are no more filthy protestors, seeking to bring about chaos. There is no more incessant bickering; just the will of the ever-superior ruler. And then, there are democracies. These despicable nations, rather than attempting to combat the forces of anarchy, they embrace them. The capitols of these idiotic nations are filled with a cacophony of bickering over completely irrelevant topics, with anything achieved a laughable Frankenstein of components each attempting to satisfy political minorities depended upon to pass it. For a good laugh, the Divine Arch-Generalissimo, savior of the Chuchingian people, claims he likes to watch the C-Span of nearby democracies!

Now take every democracy you can imagine. An unfathomable volume of manure captured by this very thought. Now place it all in one organization : the "World Assembly". Criminals walk the halls, demanding provisions on bills in exchange for their blood money to the campaigns of respective ambassadors. Frequent laudation of democracy, freedom, and human rights, all disgusting concepts to the eye of any sane person, occurs. And worst of all? Democracy, in its purest form, is practiced. All of the silly verbal combat mentioned above occurs with great frequency. But most disturbing of all is the SCUMBAG WA's organization to impose an international bureaucracy upon all. Even national democracies lack the the resources to spread the virulent democratic plague effectively. But the SCUMBAG WA? It certainly does. It has been known to encourage democracy in all nations; it has become a deliberate transmitter of the deadliest moral corruptor.

Like knowing spreaders of any malady, the SCUMBAG WA deserves to be immediately exterminated. But the only problem? It encourages its members to have nuclear weapons. An eternal arms race ensues, with mutually assured destruction preventing us from eliminating the great rot. That is where this new proposal comes in. Disarming all members of the SCUMBAG WA would allow the virus to be finally eliminated in the cleansing hell of nuclear fire. With our strongest voice, we encourage you! Go forwards with the proposal! Disarm! Disarm! DISARM!!!

United North American Commonwealths wrote:I know what Im doing Mutually Assured Destruction doesn't always keep things in balance you guys cant come together and finally get rid of these weapons of mass destruction just do it for the future generations so they don't have to live in the constant fear of annihilation.

OOC: That is highly debatable. If you really "know what you are doing" then you would take the criticism of others on board, instead of burying your head in the sand and just giving us a few lines to appeal to sentiment. It is also debatable whether you know very much about the subject matter in the first place, as you treat all nuclear weapons as if they are the same thing, giving no account to range, giving no account to yield, and giving no account to accuracy, preferring to just cover them all under the inaccurate and deceptive phrase "excessive arsenals" in your primary argument.

"This is the worst idea my beloved Republic has ever heard. We are voting against."

Chuching wrote:

Official Statement by the Chuchingian Office of International Communication

Finally, the SCUMBAG WA, an organization filled with more gangsters than bottles of cognac DEAREST LEADER owns in his collection, has come up with an admirable idea.

There are two types of nations. There are those who embrace order, such as Chuching. These are the truly great nations. Rising above the fray of confusion, they achieve the most desirable form of govenment. There are no more filthy protestors, seeking to bring about chaos. There is no more incessant bickering; just the will of the ever-superior ruler. And then, there are democracies. These despicable nations, rather than attempting to combat the forces of anarchy, they embrace them. The capitols of these idiotic nations are filled with a cacophony of bickering over completely irrelevant topics, with anything achieved a laughable Frankenstein of components each attempting to satisfy political minorities depended upon to pass it. For a good laugh, the Divine Arch-Generalissimo, savior of the Chuchingian people, claims he likes to watch the C-Span of nearby democracies!

Now take every democracy you can imagine. An unfathomable volume of manure captured by this very thought. Now place it all in one organization : the "World Assembly". Criminals walk the halls, demanding provisions on bills in exchange for their blood money to the campaigns of respective ambassadors. Frequent laudation of democracy, freedom, and human rights, all disgusting concepts to the eye of any sane person, occurs. And worst of all? Democracy, in its purest form, is practiced. All of the silly verbal combat mentioned above occurs with great frequency. But most disturbing of all is the SCUMBAG WA's organization to impose an international bureaucracy upon all. Even national democracies lack the the resources to spread the virulent democratic plague effectively. But the SCUMBAG WA? It certainly does. It has been known to encourage democracy in all nations; it has become a deliberate transmitter of the deadliest moral corruptor.

Like knowing spreaders of any malady, the SCUMBAG WA deserves to be immediately exterminated. But the only problem? It encourages its members to have nuclear weapons. An eternal arms race ensues, with mutually assured destruction preventing us from eliminating the great rot. That is where this new proposal comes in. Disarming all members of the SCUMBAG WA would allow the virus to be finally eliminated in the cleansing hell of nuclear fire. With our strongest voice, we encourage you! Go forwards with the proposal! Disarm! Disarm! DISARM!!!

"I think you just convinced most people to oppose this, if they haven't already."