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Postby Willania Imperium » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:06 pm

United North American Commonwealths wrote:Repeal “Nuclear Arms Possession Act”
A proposal to repeal a previously passed WA resolution #10

Category: Repeal
Resolution: #10
Proposed by: Federation of United North American Commonwealths

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Understanding that WA members are allowed to possess nuclear weapons to defend themselves from hostile nations and realizing that the WA members need to be able to defend themselves if attacked.

Also acknowledging that non-member states are not required to abide by WA proposals,

But also acknowledging that this resolution allows WA States build excessive arsenals of nuclear weapons that are more than needed to defend their own Individual nations and only promotes more militarization that leads to bigger deadlier conflicts that further destabilizes The World Assembly's goal of Peace and Partnership.

The World Assembly hereby repeals “Nuclear Arms Possession Act.”


"Opposed. The resolution you are trying to repeal allows many WA nations that are weak a way to protect ourselves against non-WA nations that have more firepower. Hell, my nation is a far cry from the days of its Imperial motherland, but our ability to own nukes ensures that we are given the safety we've enjoyed and used to create our advanced nation. We will not lose the right to do so and be a target by other nations."

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Postby United North American Commonwealths » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:08 pm

Willania Imperium wrote:
United North American Commonwealths wrote:Repeal “Nuclear Arms Possession Act”
A proposal to repeal a previously passed WA resolution #10

Category: Repeal
Resolution: #10
Proposed by: Federation of United North American Commonwealths

Description:
Understanding that WA members are allowed to possess nuclear weapons to defend themselves from hostile nations and realizing that the WA members need to be able to defend themselves if attacked.

Also acknowledging that non-member states are not required to abide by WA proposals,

But also acknowledging that this resolution allows WA States build excessive arsenals of nuclear weapons that are more than needed to defend their own Individual nations and only promotes more militarization that leads to bigger deadlier conflicts that further destabilizes The World Assembly's goal of Peace and Partnership.

The World Assembly hereby repeals “Nuclear Arms Possession Act.”


"Opposed. The resolution you are trying to repeal allows many WA nations that are weak a way to protect ourselves against non-WA nations that have more firepower. Hell, my nation is a far cry from the days of its Imperial motherland, but our ability to own nukes ensures that we are given the safety we've enjoyed and used to create our advanced nation. We will not lose the right to do so and be a target by other nations."


But what if we united our stockpiles for use by the World Assembly we would be unstoppable?

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Postby Willania Imperium » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:15 pm

United North American Commonwealths wrote:
Willania Imperium wrote:
"Opposed. The resolution you are trying to repeal allows many WA nations that are weak a way to protect ourselves against non-WA nations that have more firepower. Hell, my nation is a far cry from the days of its Imperial motherland, but our ability to own nukes ensures that we are given the safety we've enjoyed and used to create our advanced nation. We will not lose the right to do so and be a target by other nations."


But what if we united our stockpiles for use by the World Assembly we would be unstoppable?


"Are you listening to yourself? As bad as it is to strip nations what may be their last bullet, to allow an organization such an almost unstoppable power is worse! This violates a nation's right to self-defense by taking away their weapon! What level of madness are you on?"

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:18 pm

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Postby United North American Commonwealths » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:27 pm

Willania Imperium wrote:
United North American Commonwealths wrote:
But what if we united our stockpiles for use by the World Assembly we would be unstoppable?


"Are you listening to yourself? As bad as it is to strip nations what may be their last bullet, to allow an organization such an almost unstoppable power is worse! This violates a nation's right to self-defense by taking away their weapon! What level of madness are you on?"


Nothing Bad would Happen if it was Controlled and Regulated Properly.

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:45 pm

United North American Commonwealths wrote:
Willania Imperium wrote:
"Are you listening to yourself? As bad as it is to strip nations what may be their last bullet, to allow an organization such an almost unstoppable power is worse! This violates a nation's right to self-defense by taking away their weapon! What level of madness are you on?"


Nothing Bad would Happen if it was Controlled and Regulated Properly.

OOC: the WA resolutions really don't do anything to a nation at all it's just for show but still you can't just force people to give up nuclear weapons. I suggest looking at the past attempts of getting rid of nukes and build from their.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:12 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:I suggest looking at the past attempts of getting rid of nukes and build from their.

They don't exist.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:38 am

United North American Commonwealths wrote:
Willania Imperium wrote:
"Are you listening to yourself? As bad as it is to strip nations what may be their last bullet, to allow an organization such an almost unstoppable power is worse! This violates a nation's right to self-defense by taking away their weapon! What level of madness are you on?"


Nothing Bad would Happen if it was Controlled and Regulated Properly.


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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:15 am

United North American Commonwealths wrote:
Willania Imperium wrote:
"Are you listening to yourself? As bad as it is to strip nations what may be their last bullet, to allow an organization such an almost unstoppable power is worse! This violates a nation's right to self-defense by taking away their weapon! What level of madness are you on?"


Nothing Bad would Happen if it was Controlled and Regulated Properly.


OOC: Considering that GA resolution #2 currently prevents the WA from having control of military forces, this notion is an illegal non-starter.

Like I said in your other thread:

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:20 am

United North American Commonwealths wrote:
The Greater Siriusian Domain wrote:Teran Saber: "You're not the first person to try this. You're not the second, or the third, or the fourth either. And no one before you succeeded. What makes you think this attempt will be any different?"

Because I have Confidence that Nations Leaders will Understand the effects of Nuclear War and Take Steps to Prevent it.

"With the greatest of respect, Ambassador, that will not make the slightest bit of difference!"

OOC: Also, those random capital letters in your sentence are throwing me off a bit.
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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:22 am

The Greater Siriusian Domain wrote:
United North American Commonwealths wrote:But What if We Gave control of all of the WA Member States Nuclear Weapons to the Security Council? Also how about we set up a System where if A Non-Member Attacks one WA Member State and Declare war on Them we have System Like NATO where if you declare war on one you are at war with all of them?


Teran Saber: "Increasing response times, adding another layer of bureaucracy, and no one would go for it."

OOC: AND that would be a metagaming violation. As far as the General Assembly is concerned, the Security Council doesn't exist.

OOC: also, it would contradict GA resolution #2's ban on WA involvement in military operations.


United North American Commonwealths wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Nuclear weapons are a stabilizing and peacekeeping force. Against.

But don't you think the current stockpile is excessive?
OOC: As I pointed out in your other thread, precedent says that trying to reduce stockpiles (as long as the final minimum allowed is still enough to count as "nuclear weapons" [plural]) would be legal without needing to repeal GAR #10.
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Postby Sandessal » Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:25 am

It's pretty good

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:51 am

Sandessal wrote:It's pretty good

OOC: No, it really isn't, for the reasons already outlined above.
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Postby Araraukar » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:10 am

United North American Commonwealths wrote:I am making more detailed argument and a new topic for this.

OOC: Unless it's a completely new draft with nothing to do with your current attempt, it'll likely just get merged into this one. One proposal per thread, one thread per proposal.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:32 am

United North American Commonwealths wrote:Our Proposal is for The World Assembly Make Member States Reduce there Nuclear Arsenals to Under 1,000 and Limit them to Tactical Nukes.

OOC: So under 1,000, meaning that nations will opt for having 999. Also, you do not define what constitutes a "tactical nuke", what differentiates it from a strategic nuclear weapon? Is it yield? Is it range? Is it accuracy? Etc etc. Remember that Proposals need to be written in a similar style as a legal document, so you need to be very accurate with your terminology, giving clear definitions for key words, so as to avoid problems with interpretation.

Also, just as an aside, the random capitalization of words in your sentences is very off-putting. It makes your sentences quite difficult to read at times. It would be nice if you didn't do that.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:00 pm

Xmara wrote:Arguing that there are far more peaceful and diplomatic approaches to dealing with foreign invaders,


Please, enlighten us what these "peaceful and diplomatic approaches" to an invasion in progress are? That sounds, at best, wishful thinking, and leans closer to dangerously naive.

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Postby Xmara » Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:05 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:
Xmara wrote:Arguing that there are far more peaceful and diplomatic approaches to dealing with foreign invaders,


Please, enlighten us what these "peaceful and diplomatic approaches" to an invasion in progress are? That sounds, at best, wishful thinking, and leans closer to dangerously naive.

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PM: "Invite them to tea. We can work this out peacefully, I am certain. The WA says so. Thank the Gods they didn't have nukes, that would have been horrible, right?"


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Postby United North American Commonwealths » Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:56 pm

you can find it here: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=429495

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Postby Frisbeeteria » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:10 pm

United North American Commonwealths wrote:you can find it here: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=429495

Nope. Threads merged. You get one topic per proposal. You don't get to make a new one just because you messed up the first one or you're losing the argument.

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Postby Letheny » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:12 pm

"The Kingdom of Letheny would like to retain its stockpile - how else would we protect our citizens across the globe?"

AN, OOC: holy shit chill out
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Postby Sjovenia » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:15 pm

United North American Commonwealths wrote:
Willania Imperium wrote:
"Are you listening to yourself? As bad as it is to strip nations what may be their last bullet, to allow an organization such an almost unstoppable power is worse! This violates a nation's right to self-defense by taking away their weapon! What level of madness are you on?"


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Postby Willania Imperium » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:19 pm

Letheny wrote:"The Kingdom of Letheny would like to retain its stockpile - how else would we protect our citizens across the globe?"

AN, OOC: holy shit chill out


OOC: That's the Mods. I think it's best not to aggravate them.

United North American Commonwealths wrote:
Willania Imperium wrote:
"Are you listening to yourself? As bad as it is to strip nations what may be their last bullet, to allow an organization such an almost unstoppable power is worse! This violates a nation's right to self-defense by taking away their weapon! What level of madness are you on?"


Nothing Bad would Happen if it was Controlled and Regulated Properly.


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Postby Union of Euro Soviet States » Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:30 pm

United North American Commonwealths wrote:
Willania Imperium wrote:
"Are you listening to yourself? As bad as it is to strip nations what may be their last bullet, to allow an organization such an almost unstoppable power is worse! This violates a nation's right to self-defense by taking away their weapon! What level of madness are you on?"


Nothing Bad would Happen if it was Controlled and Regulated Properly.


IC: "I doubt that will be the truth, Ambassador. Sometimes even the best-controlled things can end in disaster."[/quote]

IC: "As much as I hate it, I must agree with the Bougjwa democracy here, For war can not be totally regulated, As well declaring Nuclear weapons to be illegal! Whats going to stop a rouge nation from possessing Nuclear weapons?"
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Postby Tinfect » Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:44 pm

Union of Euro Soviet States wrote: Bougwa


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For the record, the word you're looking for is 'Bourgeois'.
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Tinfect wrote:
Union of Euro Soviet States wrote: Bougwa


OOC:
For the record, the word you're looking for is 'Bourgeois'.

OOC: Correction it should be Boujwa, But it still works as Boujwa is just the short hand of bourgeois
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