Reducing Plastics Act (Draft)

[Republic of Keshiland]

Description- This legislation aims to gradually reduce the amount of plastic used in the WA eventually getting down to a use rate of 0.

Requires- Nations to reduce the amount of plastic used by 1% every year over the next 100 years.

Encourages- Nations to strive for the use of biodegradable materials to replace the use of plastic.

Prohibits- The burning of toxic plastics.

[Kenmoria]

Description- This legislation aims to gradually reduce the amount of plastic used in the WA eventually getting down to a use rate of 0.

"Category? Area of effect? This is proposal basics you really should be getting by your umpteenth draft. Also, this is a very unachievable goal, no way in a million years is there going to be no plastic usage at all.

Requires- Nations to reduce the amount of plastic used by 99% over the next 1000 years.

"1000 years? Even for you this is getting ridiculous. In 1000 years several nations will have reduced their usage of plastic by 100%, because they will be dead, whether by revolution or the heat death of the universe it will happen. A 1000 year goal is too far away to persuade governments to seriously and 99% is too drastic to be attainable for most nations."

Encurages- Nations to strive for the use of biodegradable materials to replace the use of plastic.

"Encurages? Do you mean, encourages Keshiland?"

Prohibits- The burning of plastics.

"Actually some plastics can be burnt safely under some conditions, so there is no need for a blanket ban."
"There we have it, the whole five clauses worth of proposal, with no pre-amble or justification."

EDIT: "I see you have now added a 5000 year deadline to the stopping of plastics. 5000 years ago, Kenmoria didn't exist. What did exist at that time was Ancient Egypt, you know, the ones with the pyramids and hieroglyphics. In 5000 years the Keshiland Republic will most likely be nonexistent. This deadline is even worth than the others."

[Republic of Keshiland]

"Category? Area of effect? This is proposal basics you really should be getting by your umpteenth draft. Also, this is a very unachievable goal, no way in a million years is there going to be no plastic usage at all.

Enviorment, industry

"1000 years? Even for you this is getting ridiculous. In 1000 years several nations will have reduced their usage of plastic by 100%, because they will be dead, whether by revolution or the heat death of the universe it will happen. A 1000 year goal is too far away to persuade governments to seriously and 99% is too drastic to be attainable for most nations."

It gives everyone plenty of time (in real life I bet by 2100 we will be plastic free)

"Encurages? Do you mean, encourages Keshiland?"

Yes thank you

"Actually some plastics can be burnt safely under some conditions, so there is no need for a blanket ban."

There we have it, the whole five clauses worth of proposal, with no pre-amble or justification.

The description is the preamble, plastic should just not be burned, period but I will probably edit that to make it less controversial.

[Bears Armed]

OOC: Speaking in my official category, I'd hold that allowing member nations to postpone action for anywhere near that long effectively makes the proposal's effects [with this sort of area-of-effect] too mild for legality...

[Republic of Keshiland]

OOC: Speaking in my official category, I'd hold that allowing member nations to postpone action for anywhere near that long effectively makes the proposal's effects [with this sort of area-of-effect] too mild for legality...

Fixed that to 100 years. Is that good?

[Principality of the Raix]

OOC: Thing is, I agree with the prohibition. However, even science has found germs that basically eat plastic back in 2016 IRL. So why would this be an issue, besides the burning prohibition.

[Republic of Keshiland]

OOC: Thing is, I agree with the prohibition. However, even science has found germs that basically eat plastic back in 2016 IRL. So why would this be an issue, besides the burning prohibition.

Because it takes a ridiculously long time to degrade like in the millions of years.

[United Imperial Systems]

OOC: Thing is, I agree with the prohibition. However, even science has found germs that basically eat plastic back in 2016 IRL. So why would this be an issue, besides the burning prohibition.

Because it takes a ridiculously long time to degrade like in the millions of years.

OOC: Have you heard of recycling?

[Bears Armed]

OOC: Speaking in my official category, I'd hold that allowing member nations to postpone action for anywhere near that long effectively makes the proposal's effects [with this sort of area-of-effect] too mild for legality...

Fixed that to 100 years. Is that good?

OOC: No.
Effects should [at least] start as soon as the resolution passes, and have a timescale for completion that's [at least] fast enough for people to notice. I'm not going to give any hard-&-fast numbers, but let's wait and see what other GenSec members say... if you can't be persuaded just to drop the idea altogether.
Also, speaking now as a scientist, 'plastic' is a general descriptive term that covers a variety of natural materials as well as the synthetics that presumably you were thinking of when you wrote this proposal.

[United Imperial Systems]

Description- This legislation aims to gradually reduce the amount of plastic used in the WA eventually getting down to a use rate of 0.
"Impossible, plastic is a useful material in everyday life, a use rate of zero would just be impossible and impractical."

Requires- Nations to reduce the amount of plastic used by 1% every year over the next 100 years.
"How would they do that exactly?"

Encourages- Nations to strive for the use of biodegradable materials to replace the use of plastic.
"Like...?"

[Republic of Keshiland]

Description- This legislation aims to gradually reduce the amount of plastic used in the WA eventually getting down to a use rate of 0.
"Impossible, plastic is a useful material in everyday life, a use rate of zero would just be impossible and impractical."

Requires- Nations to reduce the amount of plastic used by 1% every year over the next 100 years.
"How would they do that exactly?"

Encourages- Nations to strive for the use of biodegradable materials to replace the use of plastic.
"Like...?"

Its not that hard to go from plastic to paper/rubber.

They do that by switching to other materials that work for whatever the item is.

Recycling plastic is still bad for the environment cause of how it has to be done

[Zawikhiztan]

Description- This legislation aims to gradually reduce the amount of plastic used in the WA eventually getting down to a use rate of 0.
it is impossible as at least 1% would use a plastic spoon, straw or plate

Requires- Nations to reduce the amount of plastic used by 1% every year over the next 100 years.
100 years, so if we increase 25% the next year we can still get 99% eg: today i used 3% and i need to take 1%= (3-1=2) do that cycle again and its pretty useless

Encourages- Nations to strive for the use of biodegradable materials to replace the use of plastic.
So you encourage us to chop trees down no problem

Prohibits- The burning of toxic plastics.

Recycling plants are too expensive plus what are you going to make plastic toasters

[United Imperial Systems]

Description- This legislation aims to gradually reduce the amount of plastic used in the WA eventually getting down to a use rate of 0.
"Impossible, plastic is a useful material in everyday life, a use rate of zero would just be impossible and impractical."

Requires- Nations to reduce the amount of plastic used by 1% every year over the next 100 years.
"How would they do that exactly?"

Encourages- Nations to strive for the use of biodegradable materials to replace the use of plastic.
"Like...?"

Its not that hard to go from plastic to paper/rubber.

They do that by switching to other materials that work for whatever the item is.

Recycling plastic is still bad for the environment cause of how it has to be done

"It would hurt the environment more to chop down so many trees to replace every plastic item we use, to top that off.
What will you replace plastic mini-spoons with, or straws, wooden straws and spoons? Do you know how expensive that would be?
It is impossible to replace everything with paper and rubber, also, a lot of rubber in many nations is made out of what plastic is made out of, basically rendering the whole point of getting rid of plastic dull."

"Again, what materials could be good at replacing plastic without hurting the environment?"

"And chopping hundreds of large forests isn't?"

[Republic of Keshiland]

Its not that hard to go from plastic to paper/rubber.

They do that by switching to other materials that work for whatever the item is.

Recycling plastic is still bad for the environment cause of how it has to be done

"It would hurt the environment more to chop down so many trees to replace every plastic item we use, to top that off.
What will you replace plastic mini-spoons with, or straws, wooden straws and spoons? Do you know how expensive that would be?
It is impossible to replace everything with paper and rubber, also, a lot of rubber in many nations is made out of what plastic is made out of, basically rendering the whole point of getting rid of plastic dull."

"Again, what materials could be good at replacing plastic without hurting the environment?"

"And chopping hundreds of large forests isn't?"

No rubber comes from trees, not from plastic. Also, you can just plant trees to replace the ones chopped down.

[Petrolheadia]

"It would hurt the environment more to chop down so many trees to replace every plastic item we use, to top that off.
What will you replace plastic mini-spoons with, or straws, wooden straws and spoons? Do you know how expensive that would be?
It is impossible to replace everything with paper and rubber, also, a lot of rubber in many nations is made out of what plastic is made out of, basically rendering the whole point of getting rid of plastic dull."

"Again, what materials could be good at replacing plastic without hurting the environment?"

"And chopping hundreds of large forests isn't?"

No rubber comes from trees, not from plastic. Also, you can just plant trees to replace the ones chopped down.

Rubber used to come from trees.

Now, it's usually made out of petroleum.

[Bananaistan]

Description- This legislation aims to gradually reduce the amount of plastic used in the WA eventually getting down to a use rate of 0.

Requires- Nations to reduce the amount of plastic used by 1% every year over the next 100 years.

Encourages- Nations to strive for the use of biodegradable materials to replace the use of plastic.

Prohibits- The burning of toxic plastics.

OOC: 1) It is customary to post the category & strength/AoE in the OP.

Fixed that to 100 years. Is that good?

OOC: No.
Effects should [at least] start as soon as the resolution passes, and have a timescale for completion that's [at least] fast enough for people to notice. I'm not going to give any hard-&-fast numbers, but let's wait and see what other GenSec members say... if you can't be persuaded just to drop the idea altogether.
Also, speaking now as a scientist, 'plastic' is a general descriptive term that covers a variety of natural materials as well as the synthetics that presumably you were thinking of when you wrote this proposal.

2) BA is correct. The timeframe currently stated makes this illegal and is the only reason I'm posting in this thread.

I'm sure you've seen the many comments telling you to cop on to yourself. Legal =/= good idea, and legal =/= well written. I'm sure you've also seen the typical format of proposals and how none of yours have yet to measure up. I don't know why you keep throwing this shit at us or what you're playing at and I am completely at a loss to explain why any other player is entertaining your nonsense by engaging in your threads when you are just blithely ignoring all advice.

If/when you come back with a draft that is even just halfway reasonable and well written, I will be more than happy to help.

[Desmosthenes and Burke]

Description- This legislation aims to gradually reduce the amount of plastic used in the WA eventually getting down to a use rate of 0.
"Impossible, plastic is a useful material in everyday life, a use rate of zero would just be impossible and impractical."

Requires- Nations to reduce the amount of plastic used by 1% every year over the next 100 years.
"How would they do that exactly?"

Encourages- Nations to strive for the use of biodegradable materials to replace the use of plastic.
"Like...?"

Its not that hard to go from plastic to paper/rubber.

They do that by switching to other materials that work for whatever the item is.

Recycling plastic is still bad for the environment cause of how it has to be done

So we will just do without medical catheter tubes, blood vessel supports, artificial blood vessels, time-release pill casings, auditory implants, joint replacements, pacemakers, stints, and really, I could go on here for awhile with just medical devices, that have serious drawbacks when made with other materials, if they can be made at all? Come back when you get your head out of your arse and want to make a serious proposal with achievable goals that are consistent with reality.

[Naqil]

Ixhua continues this train of thought. "Also electronics, any kind of plumbing tubing that you don't want to corrode, safety glass, bulletproof glass, I figure electronics should be given another mention because they're so important to modern life, basically every other medical thing that the ambassador there didn't mention specifically -you do know that IV bags are plastic, yes?- photographic and movie film, for those that aren't made with, yet again, electronics."

"And finally, I'm sure the higher-technology nations would have something to say about you trying to destroy their very ability to live at all. Isn't there one whose nation is a fleet of spaceships? You don't want to use natural materials in spaceships. They tend to be porous, which is not something you want in a vacuum."

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: Violates GAR#68.

[The Sheika]

I fail to see how this would be a WA concern.

[Republic of Keshiland]

I fail to see how this would be a WA concern.

It protects everyone environment

[Principality of the Raix]

I fail to see how this would be a WA concern.

It protects everyone environment

OOC:As stated and it does not take millions of years for germs to degrade and break down plastic. Course it depends highly on the amount that you have. While, it is not really a WA issue on what they do environmentally, per se. If it is not harming the residents.

[Naqil]

((OOC: It's pretty hilarious to see someone on the internet railing against something that lets them access the internet, I gotta say))

[Alanis Star]

OOC: Might have been said a billion times, but... not all the plastics we use nowadays harm the environment. Some are biodegradable, some types of plastics have been indeed reduced (in terms of usage).

BUT to completely reduce the usage of plastic? I don't think that might happen, not even in NS-universe.

Unless of course, you have an alternative material to plastic which is Eco-friendly, and biodegradable.

(I'm quite new to here, so err.. do I need to respond with my WA puppet, or can I still use my non-WA ones?)

[The Sheika]

I fail to see how this would be a WA concern.

It protects everyone environment

You are going to need a lot more than just a throw away line such as that. The Federation, and I am certain many other member states, do not have the same issue with plastic as the Republic of Keshiland. I am willing to bet Cubits to doughnuts that there are cheaper and more effective programs in place. Not to mention biodegradable plastic that does not take years or decades to breakdown does exist.

As I have said in the past, give us a reason to care about this proposal. More than one line would be useful.