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Union de Republicas Socialistas Latinas
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[DRAFT] Reduction of the working day and distribution of...

Postby Union de Republicas Socialistas Latinas » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:24 pm

Good afternoon. I am the Delegate of Argentina Community and I want to leave you a draft of a resolution that we plan to present, to be told what you think.
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REDUCTION OF THE WORKING DAY AND DISTRIBUTION OF HOURS OF WORK.

A. KNOWING about the unemployment rates that afflict the vast majority of nations;
B. BEARING AWARE that a significant number of active workers suffer from hours of work exceeding 12 hours a day;
C. TAKING INTO ACCOUNT that the unscrupulous policies of the entrepreneurs take advantage of these situations to press with an informal army of unemployed active workers, to perform overtime under threat of dismissal;
D. INFORMING of the high level of school drop-out in those homes where the parents of the children must devote most of the hours to their sustenance, being outside their homes;
E. NOTIFYING that the rate of occupational accidents increases in the same way as the length of the working day, with its peak in the last hours of a workday exceeding eight hours;
F. ACKNOWLEDGING that slavery is still prevalent in a large number of nations, to the extent that this assembly has had to manifest itself in this regard;
G. EMPHASIZING that current working conditions contradict the principles of Human Rights, subjecting workers to regimes of slavery and exploitation.
H. SEEKING the well-being of the population of the planet, who has more time for reading, rest, to take care of a correct nutrition, the treatment of their health problems, the raising of children, intellectual growth, development Of art;

The World Assembly:

1. Calls on all nations to establish a weekly working day that does not exceed thirty hours a week for all workers;
2. Urges that overtime be restricted;
3. Encourages the distribution of the working hours of those who currently work more than six hours a day among the unemployed workers sector if the required production lots are not reached within the stipulated time;
4. Exhorts to bring the minimum wage to a value equivalent to the cost of the basic family basket.

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Postby Aclion » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:37 pm

Keep in mind that not all nations will have the same weeks days and hours. If they have them at all.
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Postby Fauxia » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:16 pm

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Postby The Greater Siriusian Domain » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:55 pm

Teran Saber: "What's good for the goose isn't necessarily good for the gander. Or the entire flock for that matter. This is a one-size-fits-all proposal. Nix it."
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Postby Bananaaaaa » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:23 am

A draft Bill for Employment Rights it looks good. Just a couple of question, To reduce the hours, and no overtime. How will this be a benefit to the economy? Will the employee be paid the same rate?
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Postby Imperial Polk County » Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:00 am

"I'm sorry, but in a small nation like my own, where unemployment is around four percent, cutting the average worker's hours by 25% is going to kill our economy. Vehemently opposed."
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Postby The Egyptian Pharocracial Suzerainty » Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:12 am

Union de Republicas Socialistas Latinas wrote:A. KNOWING about the unemployment rates that afflict the vast majority of nations;
B. BEARING AWARE that a significant number of active workers suffer from hours of work exceeding 12 hours a day;
C. TAKING INTO ACCOUNT that the unscrupulous policies of the entrepreneurs take advantage of these situations to press with an informal army of unemployed active workers, to perform overtime under threat of dismissal;
D. INFORMING of the high level of school drop-out in those homes where the parents of the children must devote most of the hours to their sustenance, being outside their homes;
E. NOTIFYING that the rate of occupational accidents increases in the same way as the length of the working day, with its peak in the last hours of a workday exceeding eight hours;
F. ACKNOWLEDGING that slavery is still prevalent in a large number of nations, to the extent that this assembly has had to manifest itself in this regard;
G. EMPHASIZING that current working conditions contradict the principles of Human Rights, subjecting workers to regimes of slavery and exploitation.
H. SEEKING the well-being of the population of the planet, who has more time for reading, rest, to take care of a correct nutrition, the treatment of their health problems, the raising of children, intellectual growth, development Of art;


A. KNOWING about the unemployment rates that afflict the vast majority of nations;

Knowing about the fact that Our unemployment rate is 2.78%...

B. BEARING AWARE that a significant number of active workers suffer from hours of work exceeding 12 hours a day;

Bearing Awareness that a significant number of active workers relish and celebrate the large paychecks that appear as a result of accumulated overtime hours...

D. INFORMING of the high level of school drop-out in those homes where the parents of the children must devote most of the hours to their sustenance, being outside their homes;

Being already Informed of the reality that summer and after school employment for students leads to the development of habits of responsibility that lead to future employability in those children, especially when they are observing the responsibility and sacrifices that their employed parents make to put food in their mouths and clothing upon their backs...

F. ACKNOWLEDGING that slavery is still prevalent in a large number of nations, to the extent that this assembly has had to manifest itself in this regard;

Acknowledging the fact that the prevalence of slavery in a large number of nations is a non sequitur that is completely irrelevant to the topic of overtime hours...

G. EMPHASIZING that current working conditions contradict the principles of Human Rights, subjecting workers to regimes of slavery and exploitation.

Further emphasizing that the correlation of overtime hours in employment that are voluntarily undertaken by employees to slavery and exploitation is a spurious claim that is not in evidence and is unsupported by the Author's reasoning in advancing this claim...

H. SEEKING the well-being of the population of the planet, who has more time for reading, rest, to take care of a correct nutrition, the treatment of their health problems, the raising of children, intellectual growth, development Of art;

While highlight the observation that the Author is seeking to act as a meddling busybody in the affairs of the businesses of nations not their own whilst obfuscating this act under the guise of a pretense of concern for the well being of the population of the planet overlaying an underpinning of weaponized faux empathy...

The Suzerainty stands adamantly opposed to this resolution proposal, and shall vote in opposition should it ever be so unfortunate as to see the light of day to be voted upon.

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Postby Old Frontier » Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:59 am

Silas tosses his copy of the draft toward the waste paper basket at the end of the row of delegates. It bounces off of the rim and rolls into the aisle.

"More socialist claptrap. Restrict overtime? You're takin' time-and-a-half away from people, there, good delegate. How's about you enact these reforms internally and see how they work for your peoplebefore trying to drag everybody else onto your leaky boat." Silas says, standing to address the delegate who proposed the draft.

"The delegation from Old Frontier will not support this proposal if it comes to a vote."

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:27 am

Old Frontier wrote:Silas tosses his copy of the draft toward the waste paper basket at the end of the row of delegates. It bounces off of the rim and rolls into the aisle.

"More socialist claptrap. Restrict overtime? You're takin' time-and-a-half away from people, there, good delegate. How's about you enact these reforms internally and see how they work for your peoplebefore trying to drag everybody else onto your leaky boat." Silas says, standing to address the delegate who proposed the draft.

"The delegation from Old Frontier will not support this proposal if it comes to a vote."

"Time and a half isn't guaranteed in every nation."

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Postby Old Frontier » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:46 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Old Frontier wrote:Silas tosses his copy of the draft toward the waste paper basket at the end of the row of delegates. It bounces off of the rim and rolls into the aisle.

"More socialist claptrap. Restrict overtime? You're takin' time-and-a-half away from people, there, good delegate. How's about you enact these reforms internally and see how they work for your peoplebefore trying to drag everybody else onto your leaky boat." Silas says, standing to address the delegate who proposed the draft.

"The delegation from Old Frontier will not support this proposal if it comes to a vote."

"Time and a half isn't guaranteed in every nation."

"It is in many nations, and I don't think it's the right of this body to take it away for the sake of 'La revolución comunista' "

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:21 pm

Old Frontier wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Time and a half isn't guaranteed in every nation."

"It is in many nations, and I don't think it's the right of this body to take it away for the sake of 'La revolución comunista' "

"Do you have a source that it is the case in many countries? Do you have a source that there is any concept of overtime in many countries? Even if it is in many countries, is it in anything close to a majority? Its easy to dismiss the difficulties of laborers when your nation has provided for them, but not all nations have. As such, its foolish to oppose measures seeking to address the plight of the worker with arguments based on labor laws that are anything but commonplace."

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Postby Essu Beti » Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:07 pm

Iksana sighs. "This would sure fuck up my nation. Set hours in a working day? Why would you do that to us? What's wrong with working from "first customer arrives" to "last car of the day gets fixed?" Or from dawn to "finally caught that Brothers-forsaken crocodile"?"

"Also what's overtime?"
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Postby Bananaaaaa » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:46 am

Essu Beti wrote:Iksana sighs. "This would sure fuck up my nation. Set hours in a working day? Why would you do that to us? What's wrong with working from "first customer arrives" to "last car of the day gets fixed?" Or from dawn to "finally caught that Brothers-forsaken crocodile"?"

"Also what's overtime?"


Overtime is when you work past your designated time.
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Postby Lt Col Tahir Hussain » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:50 am

" 4. Exhorts to bring the minimum wage to a value equivalent to the cost of the basic family basket. "
This statement can be subjected to mis-use by financial lords who would state
" Well , i give my worker a resting place and something to eat twice
a day . Why should I still give him a considerable amount of money ? "

The above mentioned statement of the draft should be edited to give it an affirmation by recommending employment of a certain respective % of the revenue of a respective business for the dispensation of wages & bonuses to the workers .

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Postby Araraukar » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:07 am

Union de Republicas Socialistas Latinas wrote:F. ACKNOWLEDGING that slavery is still prevalent in a large number of nations, to the extent that this assembly has had to manifest itself in this regard;

OOC: Slavery has already been banned by the WA.

H. SEEKING the well-being of the population of the planet, who has more time for reading, rest, to take care of a correct nutrition, the treatment of their health problems, the raising of children, intellectual growth, development Of art;

WA nations don't all exist on a single planet, proper nutrition, healthcare and basic education are already mandated by the WA.

4. Exhorts to bring the minimum wage to a value equivalent to the cost of the basic family basket.

What is a "family basket"?

A lot of the proposal seems to confuse NationStates with Real Life, and the worst scenario of Real Life at that. While unemployment rates can be high in a modern world, they're not necessarily a problem, and modern wage slavery and really long working hours are more the problem of developing nations. True, developing nations do exist in NS, but I doubt the majority of the nations are that.

Furthermore, since the majority of WA nations do not exist on the same planet (there are over twenty thousand of them, it's a physical impossibility), the chances are that not every planet's rotation is 24 hours (or close enough an approximation), nor is everyone's week 168 hours (7 times 24), so placing definite time limits on how many hours anyone can work, is generally a bad idea in terms of roleplaying, and since no RL nation actually does the 6-hour work day as far as I'm aware, the people who don't care about roleplay are unlikely to support what they think is something that wouldn't work.

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Postby The Bible Baptist Republic » Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:10 pm

The Bible Baptist Economy is doing very well with a minimal income gap. Our poorest citizens are considered middle-class by the standards of many nations. No thank you, we'll take a pass on this one.
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Postby The Bible Baptist Republic » Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:15 pm

Araraukar wrote:---snip----

What is a "family basket"?



I think it may be something already regulated under 141, Permit Male Circumcision.
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:51 pm

The Bible Baptist Republic wrote:
Araraukar wrote:---snip----

What is a "family basket"?



I think it may be something already regulated under 141, Permit Male Circumcision.


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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Oct 07, 2017 8:06 am

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:It also appears to contradict Resolution #302, Clause 4."

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