[PASSED] Freedom to Seek Medical Care

[New Waldensia]

Barbera: Some of the active clauses end with full stops while others end with commas. We recommend ensuring that there is consistency.

Noted, and correction made.

[Bananaistan]

OOC: So under section 5 the patients must make the arrangements themselves and must pay for it but section 7 says that member states may pay for it. This makes no sense! Why are you so intent on leaving repeal hooks in this?

As they stand now, sections 1 & 2 are incomprehensible mouthfuls. I'd recommend rewriting both rather than just continuously appending exceptions and clarifications to both based on every little objection raised here.

[Fauxia]

OOC: So under section 5 the patients must make the arrangements themselves and must pay for it but section 7 says that member states may pay for it. This makes no sense! Why are you so intent on leaving repeal hooks in this?

It does make sense, in the same way another person can donate to the patient. I agree that Waldensia should probably rephrase it though.

[New Waldensia]

Freedom to Seek Medical Care
Category: Human Rights
Strength: Mild

[Preamble, unchanged]

Believing that individuals possess an inalienable right to seek medical care of their own accord and at their own expense, above and beyond that which may be provided for them by their government or by their nation's laws,‎

Understanding that medical treatment is a complex issue and requires great care, and that health-care needs can be difficult to adequately treat without the proper resources, technology, training and expertise,

Aware that some nations do not have said resources and training available in their medical facilities, and that some diseases, conditions, and disorders occur in such limited instances that some nations have little or no experience treating them,

Concerned that some nations may be harming their citizens by mandating that they be medically treated within their own borders or by restricting access to new or experimental treatments, thus denying better treatment that may be obtained elsewhere,

Observing that there may be occasions where treatment in another nation may be preferable to a patient,

The General Assembly hereby:

1: Prohibits member nations from denying or restricting their citizens or permanent residents from leaving to obtain medically necessary healthcare in other nations at their own expense, so long as the individuals are not currently detained for medical or legal reasons, in addition to any restrictions imposed by legislation passed by the General Assembly, subject to any restrictions previously imposed by the General Assembly,

2: Affirms the ability of member nations to set their own policies and restrictions regarding the acceptance or non-acceptance of non-resident patients, including complete refusal to accept non-resident patients, and further declares that no member nation is required by this measure to provide medical care to non-resident medical patients above any requirements previously imposed by legislation passed by the General Assembly,

3: Requires that member nations respect the rights of all patients and their legal representatives,

4: Prohibits member nations from taking legal action against citizens or permanent residents as relating to them seeking medical treatments or operations abroad, as long as General Assembly resolutions have not been violated,

5: Declares that patients seeking to travel to a foreign nation for the purpose of obtaining medical care or treatment are financially responsible for transport or medical treatment sought abroad, and that such arrangements must be made by and financed by the person(s) seeking treatment, or by their legal guardians or representation,‎

6: States that member nations are not obligated to cover future medical costs for conditions that arise after and directly result from medical treatments or operations sought at private expense by the patient under this measure,

7: Notes that member nations are not prohibited from assisting in defraying the financial cost associated with citizens or permanent residents seeking medical care under this measure.

Work in progress. Trying to figure out how to satisfactorily re-word #5.

[New Waldensia]

Freedom to Seek Medical Care
Category: Human Rights
Strength: Mild

[Preamble, unchanged]

Believing that individuals possess an inalienable right to seek medical care of their own accord and at their own expense, above and beyond that which may be provided for them by their government or by their nation's laws,‎

Understanding that medical treatment is a complex issue and requires great care, and that health-care needs can be difficult to adequately treat without the proper resources, technology, training and expertise,

Aware that some nations do not have said resources and training available in their medical facilities, and that some diseases, conditions, and disorders occur in such limited instances that some nations have little or no experience treating them,

Concerned that some nations may be harming their citizens by mandating that they be medically treated within their own borders or by restricting access to new or experimental treatments, thus denying better treatment that may be obtained elsewhere,

Observing that there may be occasions where treatment in another nation may be preferable to a patient,

The General Assembly hereby:

1: Prohibits member nations from denying or restricting their citizens or permanent residents from leaving to obtain medically necessary healthcare in other nations at their own expense, subject to any restrictions previously imposed by the General Assembly,

2: Affirms the ability of member nations to set their own policies and restrictions regarding the acceptance or non-acceptance of non-resident patients, and further declares that no member nation is required by this measure to provide medical care to non-resident medical patients above any requirements previously imposed by the General Assembly,

3: Requires that member nations respect the rights of all patients and their legal representatives,

4: Prohibits member nations from taking legal action against citizens or permanent residents as relating to them seeking medical treatments or operations abroad, as long as General Assembly resolutions have not been violated,

5: Declares that patients seeking to travel to a foreign nation for the purpose of obtaining medical care or treatment under this act are financially responsible for any costs transport or medical treatment sought abroad not compensated by existing laws in their home nation, and that such arrangements travel and payment must be made arranged by and financed by the person(s) seeking treatment, or by their legal guardians or representation,‎

6: States that member nations are not obligated to cover future medical costs for conditions that arise after and directly result from medical treatments or operations sought at private expense by the patient under this measure,

7: Notes that member nations are not prohibited from assisting in defraying the financial cost associated with citizens or permanent residents seeking medical care under this measure.

OOC: Been busy with RL... final call for comments before submission.

[Fauxia]

I’d submit whenever there’s an empty queue. Pounce on it. You may gain extra votes for not being a marriage resolution

[Araraukar]

6: States that member nations are not obligated to cover future medical costs for conditions that arise after and directly result from medical treatments or operations sought at private expense by the patient under this measure,

OOC: This currently reads like also applying for if the nation's own private healthcare has buggered something up, rather than just treatments gotten in other nations.

[New Waldensia]

6: States that member nations are not obligated to cover future medical costs for conditions that arise after and directly result from medical treatments or operations sought at private expense by the patient under this measure,

OOC: This currently reads like also applying for if the nation's own private healthcare has buggered something up, rather than just treatments gotten in other nations.

I thought that "under this measure" would narrow it down enough. Would you find this agreeable?

"6: States that member nations are not obligated to cover future medical costs for conditions that arise after and directly result from medical treatments or operations sought at private expense in foreign countries by the patient under this measure,"

[Araraukar]

"6: States that member nations are not obligated to cover future medical costs for conditions that arise after and directly result from medical treatments or operations sought at private expense in foreign countries by the patient under this measure,"

OOC: That'd work. It was the only thing that stuck out, otherwise looked good. (Just watch my sleep-deprived brain having missed something vital now...)

[New Waldensia]

SUBMITTED

Freedom to Seek Medical Care
Category: Human Rights
Strength: Mild

Believing that individuals possess an inalienable right to seek medical care of their own accord and at their own expense, above and beyond that which may be provided for them by their government or by their nation's laws,‎

Understanding that medical treatment is a complex issue and requires great care, and that health-care needs can be difficult to adequately treat without the proper resources, technology, training and expertise,

Aware that some nations do not have said resources and training available in their medical facilities, and that some diseases, conditions, and disorders occur in such limited instances that some nations have little or no experience treating them,

Concerned that some nations may be harming their citizens by mandating that they be medically treated within their own borders or by restricting access to new or experimental treatments, thus denying better treatment that may be obtained elsewhere,

Observing that there may be occasions where treatment in another nation may be preferable to a patient,

The General Assembly hereby:

1: Prohibits member nations from denying or restricting their citizens or permanent residents from leaving to obtain medically necessary healthcare in other nations at their own expense, subject to any restrictions previously imposed by the General Assembly,

2: Affirms the ability of member nations to set their own policies and restrictions regarding the acceptance or non-acceptance of non-resident patients, and further declares that no member nation is required by this measure to provide medical care to non-resident medical patients above any requirements previously imposed by the General Assembly,

3: Requires that member nations respect the rights of all patients and their legal representatives,

4: Prohibits member nations from taking legal action against citizens or permanent residents as relating to them seeking medical treatments or operations abroad, as long as General Assembly resolutions have not been violated,

5: Declares that patients seeking medical care or treatment under this act are financially responsible for any costs not compensated by existing laws in their home nation, and that such travel and payment must be arranged by the person(s) seeking treatment, or by their legal guardians or representation,‎

6: States that member nations are not obligated to cover future medical costs for conditions that arise after and directly result from medical treatments or operations sought at private expense by the patient under this measure,

7: Notes that member nations are not prohibited from assisting in defraying the financial cost associated with citizens or permanent residents seeking medical care under this measure.

[Imperium Anglorum]

(shaking head.) I don't know why people are so obsessed with bolding.

[Deropia]

OOC: So, on the proposals page clause 5 ends with '&#8206' I'm sure that wasn't intentional and wanted to point that out before the campaign got too far underway. Though, that could just be my browser being all weird.

[Dragonslinding WA Mission]

Maester Tarquin: The Mission is willing to support this measure. I'll begin preparing new legislation to deport voluntarily remove all extremely contagious persons to the nearest member nation willing to take them.

[Araraukar]

Maester Tarquin: The Mission is willing to support this measure. I'll begin preparing new legislation to deport voluntarily remove all extremely contagious persons to the nearest member nation willing to take them.

"Too bad you're required to quarantine them in your nation, by an existing resolution," Johan pointed out. "And also that no other nation is required to, and are in fact actively discouraged to let them in."

[The Bible Baptist Republic]

Maester Tarquin: The Mission is willing to support this measure. I'll begin preparing new legislation to deport voluntarily remove all extremely contagious persons to the nearest member nation willing to take them.

I’m pretty sure you will not see an influx of medical tourists seeking out the latest in potions, bloodletting, and leech applications.

[Dragonslinding WA Mission]

Maester Tarquin: The Mission is willing to support this measure. I'll begin preparing new legislation to deport voluntarily remove all extremely contagious persons to the nearest member nation willing to take them.

"Too bad you're required to quarantine them in your nation, by an existing resolution," Johan pointed out. "And also that no other nation is required to, and are in fact actively discouraged to let them in."

Maester Tarquin: "We can deport them internally then. There are vast tracts of uninhabited frozen waste land in the far north. We already have 'settlement programs' that we can modify."

I’m pretty sure you will not see an influx of medical tourists seeking out the latest in potions, bloodletting, and leech applications.

Maester Tarquin: "More the pity. Dragonslund has the most advanced potions, bloodletting and leech applications. I'm also told that in the South there have been experiments to drive out evil spirits that cause many forms of lunacy. After all it takes three or more Maesters of Healing to attract carrion birds, which is a 25% reduction from 10 years ago."

[Clean Land]

1: Prohibits member nations from denying or restricting their citizens or permanent residents from leaving to obtain medically necessary healthcare in other nations at their own expense, subject to any restrictions previously imposed by the General Assembly,

Convicted criminals.
No exceptions for times of war.
Against.

[Deropia]

Convicted criminals.

"Don't issue your convicted criminals passports, then."

No exceptions for times of war.

"Would any reasonable person go to an enemy state for medical care?"

Against.

"For, so I guess that cancels that out."

[Separatist Peoples]

Convicted criminals.

"Don't issue your convicted criminals passports, then."

No exceptions for times of war.

"Would any reasonable person go to an enemy state for medical care?"

Against.

"For, so I guess that cancels that out."

"Eh, what the hell. For. That takes us past neutral."

[Clean Land]

Convicted criminals.

"Don't issue your convicted criminals passports, then."
World Assembly Resolution 76, Standardised Passport Act

No exceptions for times of war.

"Would any reasonable person go to an enemy state for medical care?"
If they want to switch sides, probably yes...

Against.

"For, so I guess that cancels that out."

That's merely our conclusion... and of course our current vote.
If it comes to a vote, maybe it does maybe not.

[Deropia]

"Don't issue your convicted criminals passports, then."
World Assembly Resolution 76, Standardised Passport Act

"Would any reasonable person go to an enemy state for medical care?"
If they want to switch sides, probably yes...

"For, so I guess that cancels that out."

That's merely our conclusion... and of course our current vote.
If it comes to a vote, maybe it does maybe not.

"GAR# 76 actually just requires that foreign nationals travelling have a valid passport, not that nations have to issue them to all citizens. However, point taken about desertion and defection. This issue was addressed in an earlier draft, I believe, however the relevant sections have been removed. I've considered your argument and agree. As much as I support the principals behind this proposal, I may have to reconsider. I'll review the proposed copy and consider voting against."

[States of Glory WA Office]

(shaking head.) I don't know why people are so obsessed with bolding.

I agree. Let people bold all they want, I say! #BeBold

[Aegyptumia]

We would not allow citizens to go wherever they want just to get such things as "medical treatment".

[Atsvea]

,&#8206

Might want to get rid of that

[Nordhpadhan]

If your nation would not invest the taxes of your people to proper resources, technology, training and expertise, therefore it is a political choise that your citizens support. If your nation spends the taxes of your citizens in weapons and nothing in medical tratments, I do not see why my Nation have to offer to your richest citizens our medical tratments.
In my Nation medical treatments are at disposal for all my citizens and it is not a commercial business. Our Federal Council would not offer a medical tratment as it were a commercial business to be paid by the richest citizens of you nation.
If the citizens of your nation want a better health system, they have to change the mind of their government or have to elect someone else who invest their moneys in other ways.
It is not an affair of my Nation who your citizens will vote.
It is not responsible to vote yes. Our Federal Council invites your representatives to vote against.