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So, how to we qualify an evil which is significant enough to be mandated in curriculum?

United Massachusetts wrote:So, how to we qualify an evil which is significant enough to be mandated in curriculum?

"47 Vader-Stalin units. Anything less is just acceptable casualties."

"There are a lot of nations in the World Assembly," says Iksana. "Maybe we could limit the requirements to those which relate to nations that the nation in question has had relations with. With a focus on those which still have an impact today. The Tal got shit on a lot throughout history and are still second-class citizens in a lot of countries in the world my nation is in, so it would make sense to learn about at least a few of the massacres they've been subject to. But we really don't need to know that a thousand years ago in North Tenahuari, Village A wiped out Village B all the way down to the livestock, only for most of the region to die of plague a few decades later."

Essu Beti wrote:"There are a lot of nations in the World Assembly," says Iksana. "Maybe we could limit the requirements to those which relate to nations that the nation in question has had relations with. With a focus on those which still have an impact today. The Tal got shit on a lot throughout history and are still second-class citizens in a lot of countries in the world my nation is in, so it would make sense to learn about at least a few of the massacres they've been subject to. But we really don't need to know that a thousand years ago in North Tenahuari, Village A wiped out Village B all the way down to the livestock, only for most of the region to die of plague a few decades later."

"Or, alternatively, we can allow nations to teach history in a way that is appropriate for their curriculum and not dictate the teaching of meaningless historical trivia to individuals who have no need for it? If a student wishes to pursue this kind of information, they'll self-educate or take the necessary history courses to learn about it. This would be better reorganized into a policy to avoid suppression of historical atrocities, rather than a promotion of their promulgation. That would be far less invasive."

Separatist Peoples wrote:

Essu Beti wrote:"There are a lot of nations in the World Assembly," says Iksana. "Maybe we could limit the requirements to those which relate to nations that the nation in question has had relations with. With a focus on those which still have an impact today. The Tal got shit on a lot throughout history and are still second-class citizens in a lot of countries in the world my nation is in, so it would make sense to learn about at least a few of the massacres they've been subject to. But we really don't need to know that a thousand years ago in North Tenahuari, Village A wiped out Village B all the way down to the livestock, only for most of the region to die of plague a few decades later."

"Or, alternatively, we can allow nations to teach history in a way that is appropriate for their curriculum and not dictate the teaching of meaningless historical trivia to individuals who have no need for it? If a student wishes to pursue this kind of information, they'll self-educate or take the necessary history courses to learn about it. This would be better reorganized into a policy to avoid suppression of historical atrocities, rather than a promotion of their promulgation. That would be far less invasive."

Interesting. Yeah, we'd stop things like the Chinese gov't's surpression of the Tiananmen Square Massacre

Separatist Peoples wrote:

Essu Beti wrote:"There are a lot of nations in the World Assembly," says Iksana. "Maybe we could limit the requirements to those which relate to nations that the nation in question has had relations with. With a focus on those which still have an impact today. The Tal got shit on a lot throughout history and are still second-class citizens in a lot of countries in the world my nation is in, so it would make sense to learn about at least a few of the massacres they've been subject to. But we really don't need to know that a thousand years ago in North Tenahuari, Village A wiped out Village B all the way down to the livestock, only for most of the region to die of plague a few decades later."

"Or, alternatively, we can allow nations to teach history in a way that is appropriate for their curriculum and not dictate the teaching of meaningless historical trivia to individuals who have no need for it? If a student wishes to pursue this kind of information, they'll self-educate or take the necessary history courses to learn about it. This would be better reorganized into a policy to avoid suppression of historical atrocities, rather than a promotion of their promulgation. That would be far less invasive."

"Whoa! What a brave new idea!"

United Massachusetts wrote:

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Or, alternatively, we can allow nations to teach history in a way that is appropriate for their curriculum and not dictate the teaching of meaningless historical trivia to individuals who have no need for it? If a student wishes to pursue this kind of information, they'll self-educate or take the necessary history courses to learn about it. This would be better reorganized into a policy to avoid suppression of historical atrocities, rather than a promotion of their promulgation. That would be far less invasive."

Interesting. Yeah, we'd stop things like the Chinese gov't's surpression of the Tienanmen Square Massacre

"The what?"

United Massachusetts wrote:I've decided to abandon this draft

"That is a shame. Sciongrad was willing to offer support and potentially assistance in drafting."

Sciongrad wrote:

United Massachusetts wrote:I've decided to abandon this draft

"That is a shame. Sciongrad was willing to offer support and potentially assistance in drafting."

Hmm...I'll reopen it then I figured there was, like, no support

United Massachusetts wrote:

Sciongrad wrote:"That is a shame. Sciongrad was willing to offer support and potentially assistance in drafting."

Hmm...I'll reopen it then I figured there was, like, no support

"And we were willing to engage in a bidding war to buy away the Sciongrad delegation's support with ever increasing bribes, thus causing unending delays in drafting."

Separatist Peoples wrote:

United Massachusetts wrote:Hmm...I'll reopen it then I figured there was, like, no support

"And we were willing to engage in a bidding war to buy away the Sciongrad delegation's support with ever increasing bribes, thus causing unending delays in drafting."

Do you really think a version of this, even heavily modified, would get nowhere?

United Massachusetts wrote:

Sciongrad wrote:"That is a shame. Sciongrad was willing to offer support and potentially assistance in drafting."

Hmm...I'll reopen it then I figured there was, like, no support

OOC:
Ripping a proposal apart mercilessly doesn't necessarily mean that someone doesn't support it.

OK---I'll (at some point) go through your reccommendations

United Massachusetts wrote:

Separatist Peoples wrote:"And we were willing to engage in a bidding war to buy away the Sciongrad delegation's support with ever increasing bribes, thus causing unending delays in drafting."

Do you really think a version of this, even heavily modified, would get nowhere?

"No, the C.D.S.P. is merely made up of an obstructionist brand of people," Bell winks good-naturedly.

"We collectively agree with the concept of this proposal, although it appears that there are a few flaws. We did not notice that there is a mandatory time set aside for covering the subjects. The schools could just pass over it to get it out of the way, not taking it seriously. Secondly, we did not notice the resolution has specifically addressed what country/countries history must be covered, meaning they may cover a less gruesome or volatile nation's history for whatever motives the school had. Hereby, we must stand against until the loopholes are fixed."

Separatist Peoples wrote:

United Massachusetts wrote:Do you really think a version of this, even heavily modified, would get nowhere?

"No, the C.D.S.P. is merely made up of an obstructionist brand of people," Bell winks good-naturedly.

"Good-naturedly"

Fauxia wrote:

Separatist Peoples wrote:"No, the C.D.S.P. is merely made up of an obstructionist brand of people," Bell winks good-naturedly.

"Good-naturedly"

Bell chucks an empty scotch bottle at the Fauxian ambassador.

"At any rate, we would be more amenable to efforts to prevent suppression rather than curriculum-mandating."

"In light of the comment from the Delegation from Separatist Peoples, I have added a clause which protects teachers from being fired for teaching about a genocide

Separatist Peoples wrote:

Fauxia wrote:"Good-naturedly"

Bell chucks an empty scotch bottle at the Fauxian ambassador.

"At any rate, we would be more amenable to efforts to prevent suppression rather than curriculum-mandating."

The Fauxian ambassador (OoC: should name soon in sig) attempts to dodge the bottle, but it hits his hand in the process. He goes to the medical wing, before his intern says "What is the difference between mandating and suppression prevention in this case?" He chucks a pie at Bell.

OoC: Yay 1000 posts!

Fairburn: Hm. This proposal may be salvageable, but it requires...

Harold runs into the chamber.

Harold: Guys! One of my cream pies is missing! Does anyone know-

Fauxia wrote:He chucks a pie at Bell.

Harold: Oh.

Ahem...I present the updated version--Prevention of Denialism, which effectively prevents the state from misconstruing the reality of atrocities, genocides, or war crimes. I'll update the preamble later per the new topic, but are the clauses themselves tolerable for those here?

United Massachusetts wrote:Ahem...I present the updated version--Prevention of Denialism, which effectively prevents the state from misconstruing the reality of atrocities, genocides, or war crimes. I'll update the preamble later per the new topic, but are the clauses themselves tolerable for those here?

"'Misconstruing'"

States of Glory WA Office wrote:Fairburn: Hm. This proposal may be salvageable, but it requires...

Harold runs into the chamber.

Harold: Guys! One of my cream pies is missing! Does anyone know-

Fauxia wrote:He chucks a pie at Bell.

Harold: Oh.

"I put it to good use."

Jason can't help but laugh as the scotch bottle, followed soon after by the pie, fly through the air of the chamber. "Ah, this place may be a mad-house...but its the best damn posting I've ever had..." He chuckles again as he reads over the revised draft.

"This looks agreeable...I have to say, I like the change from mandating changes to our current curriculum. I believe that preventing governments from skewing the facts surrounding genocide and the other atrocities mentioned, or worse yet glorifying them, is a noble endeavor. I look forward to seeing the full draft."

Deropia wrote:Jason can't help but laugh as the scotch bottle and pie fly through the air of the chamber. "Ah, this place may be a mad-house...but its the best damn posting I've ever had..." He chuckles again as he reads over the revised draft.

"This looks agreeable...I have to say, I like the change from mandating changes to our current curriculum. I believe that preventing governments from skewing the facts surrounding genocide and the other atrocities mentioned, or worse yet glorifying them, is a noble endeavor. I look forward to seeing the full draft."

The pie and scotch bottle were not thrown at the same time

Forbids the deliberate spread of the denial or "revisionism" of a genocide, war crime, or atrocity on behalf of a World Assembly member nation, by any means

This makes it sound as though you're trying to shut down Joe Skinheads holocaust denial blog rather then prevent nations from engaging in denial. Is that intended?