[DRAFT] Preventing State-Sponsored Denialism

[United Massachusetts]

So, how to we qualify an evil which is significant enough to be mandated in curriculum?

[Separatist Peoples]

So, how to we qualify an evil which is significant enough to be mandated in curriculum?

"47 Vader-Stalin units. Anything less is just acceptable casualties."

[Essu Beti]

"There are a lot of nations in the World Assembly," says Iksana. "Maybe we could limit the requirements to those which relate to nations that the nation in question has had relations with. With a focus on those which still have an impact today. The Tal got shit on a lot throughout history and are still second-class citizens in a lot of countries in the world my nation is in, so it would make sense to learn about at least a few of the massacres they've been subject to. But we really don't need to know that a thousand years ago in North Tenahuari, Village A wiped out Village B all the way down to the livestock, only for most of the region to die of plague a few decades later."

[Separatist Peoples]

"There are a lot of nations in the World Assembly," says Iksana. "Maybe we could limit the requirements to those which relate to nations that the nation in question has had relations with. With a focus on those which still have an impact today. The Tal got shit on a lot throughout history and are still second-class citizens in a lot of countries in the world my nation is in, so it would make sense to learn about at least a few of the massacres they've been subject to. But we really don't need to know that a thousand years ago in North Tenahuari, Village A wiped out Village B all the way down to the livestock, only for most of the region to die of plague a few decades later."

"Or, alternatively, we can allow nations to teach history in a way that is appropriate for their curriculum and not dictate the teaching of meaningless historical trivia to individuals who have no need for it? If a student wishes to pursue this kind of information, they'll self-educate or take the necessary history courses to learn about it. This would be better reorganized into a policy to avoid suppression of historical atrocities, rather than a promotion of their promulgation. That would be far less invasive."

[United Massachusetts]

"There are a lot of nations in the World Assembly," says Iksana. "Maybe we could limit the requirements to those which relate to nations that the nation in question has had relations with. With a focus on those which still have an impact today. The Tal got shit on a lot throughout history and are still second-class citizens in a lot of countries in the world my nation is in, so it would make sense to learn about at least a few of the massacres they've been subject to. But we really don't need to know that a thousand years ago in North Tenahuari, Village A wiped out Village B all the way down to the livestock, only for most of the region to die of plague a few decades later."

"Or, alternatively, we can allow nations to teach history in a way that is appropriate for their curriculum and not dictate the teaching of meaningless historical trivia to individuals who have no need for it? If a student wishes to pursue this kind of information, they'll self-educate or take the necessary history courses to learn about it. This would be better reorganized into a policy to avoid suppression of historical atrocities, rather than a promotion of their promulgation. That would be far less invasive."

Interesting. Yeah, we'd stop things like the Chinese gov't's surpression of the Tiananmen Square Massacre

[Fauxia]

"There are a lot of nations in the World Assembly," says Iksana. "Maybe we could limit the requirements to those which relate to nations that the nation in question has had relations with. With a focus on those which still have an impact today. The Tal got shit on a lot throughout history and are still second-class citizens in a lot of countries in the world my nation is in, so it would make sense to learn about at least a few of the massacres they've been subject to. But we really don't need to know that a thousand years ago in North Tenahuari, Village A wiped out Village B all the way down to the livestock, only for most of the region to die of plague a few decades later."

"Or, alternatively, we can allow nations to teach history in a way that is appropriate for their curriculum and not dictate the teaching of meaningless historical trivia to individuals who have no need for it? If a student wishes to pursue this kind of information, they'll self-educate or take the necessary history courses to learn about it. This would be better reorganized into a policy to avoid suppression of historical atrocities, rather than a promotion of their promulgation. That would be far less invasive."

"Whoa! What a brave new idea!"

"Or, alternatively, we can allow nations to teach history in a way that is appropriate for their curriculum and not dictate the teaching of meaningless historical trivia to individuals who have no need for it? If a student wishes to pursue this kind of information, they'll self-educate or take the necessary history courses to learn about it. This would be better reorganized into a policy to avoid suppression of historical atrocities, rather than a promotion of their promulgation. That would be far less invasive."

Interesting. Yeah, we'd stop things like the Chinese gov't's surpression of the Tienanmen Square Massacre

"The what?"

[United Massachusetts]

I've decided to abandon this draft

[Sciongrad]

I've decided to abandon this draft

"That is a shame. Sciongrad was willing to offer support and potentially assistance in drafting."

[United Massachusetts]

I've decided to abandon this draft

"That is a shame. Sciongrad was willing to offer support and potentially assistance in drafting."

Hmm...I'll reopen it then I figured there was, like, no support

[Separatist Peoples]

"That is a shame. Sciongrad was willing to offer support and potentially assistance in drafting."

Hmm...I'll reopen it then I figured there was, like, no support

"And we were willing to engage in a bidding war to buy away the Sciongrad delegation's support with ever increasing bribes, thus causing unending delays in drafting."

[United Massachusetts]

Hmm...I'll reopen it then I figured there was, like, no support

"And we were willing to engage in a bidding war to buy away the Sciongrad delegation's support with ever increasing bribes, thus causing unending delays in drafting."

Do you really think a version of this, even heavily modified, would get nowhere?

[Tinfect]

"That is a shame. Sciongrad was willing to offer support and potentially assistance in drafting."

Hmm...I'll reopen it then I figured there was, like, no support

OOC:
Ripping a proposal apart mercilessly doesn't necessarily mean that someone doesn't support it.

[United Massachusetts]

OK---I'll (at some point) go through your reccommendations

[Separatist Peoples]

"And we were willing to engage in a bidding war to buy away the Sciongrad delegation's support with ever increasing bribes, thus causing unending delays in drafting."

Do you really think a version of this, even heavily modified, would get nowhere?

"No, the C.D.S.P. is merely made up of an obstructionist brand of people," Bell winks good-naturedly.

[Milwalkiee]

"We collectively agree with the concept of this proposal, although it appears that there are a few flaws. We did not notice that there is a mandatory time set aside for covering the subjects. The schools could just pass over it to get it out of the way, not taking it seriously. Secondly, we did not notice the resolution has specifically addressed what country/countries history must be covered, meaning they may cover a less gruesome or volatile nation's history for whatever motives the school had. Hereby, we must stand against until the loopholes are fixed."

[Fauxia]

Do you really think a version of this, even heavily modified, would get nowhere?

"No, the C.D.S.P. is merely made up of an obstructionist brand of people," Bell winks good-naturedly.

"Good-naturedly"

[Separatist Peoples]

"No, the C.D.S.P. is merely made up of an obstructionist brand of people," Bell winks good-naturedly.

"Good-naturedly"

Bell chucks an empty scotch bottle at the Fauxian ambassador.

"At any rate, we would be more amenable to efforts to prevent suppression rather than curriculum-mandating."

[United Massachusetts]

"In light of the comment from the Delegation from Separatist Peoples, I have added a clause which protects teachers from being fired for teaching about a genocide

[Fauxia]

"Good-naturedly"

Bell chucks an empty scotch bottle at the Fauxian ambassador.

"At any rate, we would be more amenable to efforts to prevent suppression rather than curriculum-mandating."

The Fauxian ambassador (OoC: should name soon in sig) attempts to dodge the bottle, but it hits his hand in the process. He goes to the medical wing, before his intern says "What is the difference between mandating and suppression prevention in this case?" He chucks a pie at Bell.

OoC: Yay 1000 posts!

[States of Glory WA Office]

Fairburn: Hm. This proposal may be salvageable, but it requires...

Harold runs into the chamber.

Harold: Guys! One of my cream pies is missing! Does anyone know-

He chucks a pie at Bell.

Harold: Oh.

[United Massachusetts]

Ahem...I present the updated version--Prevention of Denialism, which effectively prevents the state from misconstruing the reality of atrocities, genocides, or war crimes. I'll update the preamble later per the new topic, but are the clauses themselves tolerable for those here?

[Fauxia]

Ahem...I present the updated version--Prevention of Denialism, which effectively prevents the state from misconstruing the reality of atrocities, genocides, or war crimes. I'll update the preamble later per the new topic, but are the clauses themselves tolerable for those here?

"'Misconstruing'"

Fairburn: Hm. This proposal may be salvageable, but it requires...

Harold runs into the chamber.

Harold: Guys! One of my cream pies is missing! Does anyone know-

He chucks a pie at Bell.

Harold: Oh.

"I put it to good use."

[Deropia]

Jason can't help but laugh as the scotch bottle, followed soon after by the pie, fly through the air of the chamber. "Ah, this place may be a mad-house...but its the best damn posting I've ever had..." He chuckles again as he reads over the revised draft.

"This looks agreeable...I have to say, I like the change from mandating changes to our current curriculum. I believe that preventing governments from skewing the facts surrounding genocide and the other atrocities mentioned, or worse yet glorifying them, is a noble endeavor. I look forward to seeing the full draft."

[Fauxia]

Jason can't help but laugh as the scotch bottle and pie fly through the air of the chamber. "Ah, this place may be a mad-house...but its the best damn posting I've ever had..." He chuckles again as he reads over the revised draft.

"This looks agreeable...I have to say, I like the change from mandating changes to our current curriculum. I believe that preventing governments from skewing the facts surrounding genocide and the other atrocities mentioned, or worse yet glorifying them, is a noble endeavor. I look forward to seeing the full draft."

The pie and scotch bottle were not thrown at the same time

[Aclion]

Forbids the deliberate spread of the denial or "revisionism" of a genocide, war crime, or atrocity on behalf of a World Assembly member nation, by any means

This makes it sound as though you're trying to shut down Joe Skinheads holocaust denial blog rather then prevent nations from engaging in denial. Is that intended?