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Posted: **Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:15 am**

Hey, I made a draft of a proposal to recognize June 28th as LGBTQ History Day in the WA, heres the rough text:

LGBTQ History Day
A resolution recognizing June 28th as LGBTQ History Day within the WA

DEFINING the term "LGBTQ" for the purpose of this proposal as meaning a community of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender individuals, as well as queer/questioning, non-binary, and pansexual individuals;
RECOGNIZING the importance of such individuals in all facets of World Assembly history, NationStates history, and the history of the real world;
OBSERVING that a day has not been set for such individuals to be celebrated, for individuals not within the community to learn, observe, and meditate on the paths of equality, justice, and freedom that LGBTQ individuals have set;
CREATING a public holiday to embody the spirit of the LGBTQ community through learning of prior history, celebration, and moments of rememberance;
REALIZING that not all nations would want such a day declared a public holiday, therefore;
COMPROMISING that such a day would only be declared a holiday within the halls of the WA, with the implementation for individual nations optional;
HEREBY declares June 28th of every year "LGBTQ History Day".

This is my first proposal, so any critique would help me a lot.

Posted: **Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:03 am**

Very Good Lesbians wrote:Hey, I made a draft of a proposal to recognize June 28th as LGBTQ History Day in the WA

OOC (which means "out of character", btw, this is me, the RL player talking to you, the RL player): Why? And why that day especially? Also, mentioning a certain RL calendar day might be a RL reference violation (which means the proposal would be "illegal", against the proposal rules, and if submitted, wouldn't be allowed to go to vote by GenSec/mods).

A resolution recognizing June 28th as LGBTQ History Day within the WA

Still OOC: The text "a resolution doing something" thing is something that is automatically added by the game and depends on the category the proposal is submitted in. It's not something you get to or should add in yourself. I'm not entirely certain what category this should go in, as I'm not entirely certain it's something that requires international legislation...

Now moving to IC (in character):

DEFINING the term "LGBTQ" for the purpose of this proposal as meaning a community

"I have to wonder what the hell you mean by "community" in there?" Janis said, sounding amused. She was eating an apple. "Do you think the sexual and gender minorities form some kind of multiversal cabal of a community? I'm fairly sure the only community my son is in, is the town he lives in."

of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender individuals, as well as queer/questioning, non-binary, and pansexual individuals;

"Also, you really could shorten this to "gender and sexual minorities"; that way you won't annoy people for forgetting to mention their own special flavour of unnormalcy, but won't have to go into the trouble of explaining the terms to people who are unfamiliar with them, which many politicians usually are."

RECOGNIZING the importance of such individuals in all facets of World Assembly history, NationStates history, and the history of the real world;

OOC again: This makes this illegal for Metagaming - mentioning NationStates as a game/society - and RL reference, "the real world".

OBSERVING that a day has not been set for such individuals to be celebrated, for individuals not within the community to learn, observe, and meditate on the paths of equality, justice, and freedom that LGBTQ individuals have set;

"Maybe not in your nation," Janis said, gesturing at the author with a half-eaten apple. "Also, are you aware that the WA already has anti-discriminatory legislation in place, which mentions gender and sexuality as reasons that you're not supposed to discriminate against? Promoting a bunch of people because of their sexuality or gender over those with different sexuality or gender sounds very much like positive discrimination, which is still discrimination."

CREATING a public holiday to embody the spirit of the LGBTQ community through learning of prior history, celebration, and moments of rememberance;

"You need to drop the passive voice and go with "creates", if you want to actually create something. Also, exactly what is a "public holiday", what is the "spirit of the LGBTQ community", and exactly what history, what kinds of celebrations and remembrances? Different nations will have different ideas."

REALIZING that not all nations would want such a day declared a public holiday, therefore;

"You really need to have something in the proposal that has a direct effect on the member nations, so this pretty much shoots your proposal in the foot and makes it illegal. Also, any nation that doesn't like the WA resolutions can bugger off. It's not like you have to be in the WA."

COMPROMISING that such a day would only be declared a holiday within the halls of the WA, with the implementation for individual nations optional;

OOC once more: Complete optionality is another illegality.

HEREBY declares June 28th of every year "LGBTQ History Day".

"What of nations that reside on planets that have years of different length than yours? Or one that doesn't have a month called June?"

Posted: **Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:35 pm**

"Lord have mercy. If you're going to have a terrible piece of legislation, at least make it do something other than trying to shove the homosexual agenda down the throats of people who have a moral aversion to it."

Posted: **Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:47 pm**

Fauxia wrote:"Lord have mercy. If you're going to have a terrible piece of legislation, at least make it do something other than trying to shove the homosexual agenda down the throats of people who have a moral aversion to it."

"Do you want me to say where to shove your moral aversion? The WA already has banned discrimination based on sexuality."

Posted: **Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:11 pm**

Araraukar wrote:
Fauxia wrote:"Lord have mercy. If you're going to have a terrible piece of legislation, at least make it do something other than trying to shove the homosexual agenda down the throats of people who have a moral aversion to it."

"Do you want me to say where to shove your moral aversion? The WA already has banned discrimination based on sexuality."

OOC: Since you're new here, I thought I should mention that in RL I am both transgender and gay, in IC Janis is the mother of a young gay man, and in IC Araraukar is ruled by a trans-or-a-gender person whose sexuality is unknown (possibly ace). And I'm still both OOCly and ICly of the opinion that this would be a bad idea even if it wasn't illegal for the reasons I mentioned in the feedback post.

"Agreed, although I was thinking of shoving the ambassador through the window."

Posted: **Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:47 pm**

The Minister rubbed his forehead in frustration. "We already have enough holidays as it is and along with that, why should we celebrate a holiday that obviously pushes an agenda that many nations do not want in the WA, myself included. Besides, this "community" already gets more than enough attention, it is absolutely pointless to give it more."

Posted: **Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:54 pm**

Hogwarts Pride wrote:The Minister rubbed his forehead in frustration. "We already have enough holidays as it is and along with that, why should we celebrate a holiday that obviously pushes an agenda that many nations do not want in the WA, myself included. Besides, this "community" already gets more than enough attention, it is absolutely pointless to give it more."

"Never enough LTBTQ+* attention."

Posted: **Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:59 pm**

I would call it LGBTQ+ History Day

I would also make it mandatory in each nation, not just within the halls of the WA

Posted: **Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:09 pm**

Shrive wrote:I would also make it mandatory in each nation, not just within the halls of the WA

OOC: Not possible, as the WA can only have a direct effect on the laws of the WA nations. Trying to directly affect non-WA nations would also make the proposal illegal. Ironically enough it's currently illegal for not affecting any nations, due to the lack of actual active clauses. The format is currently like that of a repeal, which doesn't work that well for a non-repeal.

Posted: **Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:13 pm**

Realizing that nations have various beliefs on the issue within the WA, however without harming anyone, Dobrobyt would not support this bill and sees it as simple vanity.

Posted: **Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:40 pm**

"You're missing one," Iksana grumbles. Louder, he calls out, "What about those who are disinclined to any sort of sexual stuff? You're leaving out a segment of the population and it pisses me off! Also my nation doesn't use that calender system; we don't have a "June." And what in the five hells is NationStates?"

Posted: **Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:52 pm**

Essu Beti wrote:"You're missing one," Iksana grumbles. Louder, he calls out, "What about those who are disinclined to any sort of sexual stuff? You're leaving out a segment of the population and it pisses me off! Also my nation doesn't use that calender system; we don't have a "June." And what in the five hells is NationStates?"

"Asexual, you mean? LGBTQ is supposed to include asexual, but since the author left that out..."
OOC: dude you forgot about asexual people, you're metagaming, and not everyone has June.

Posted: **Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:54 pm**

"Yeah, that one. I only learned the word recently- my family just said I was "disinclined to marry" and gave each other knowing looks."

Posted: **Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:59 pm**

Essu Beti wrote:"Yeah, that one. I only learned the word recently- my family just said I was "disinclined to marry" and gave each other knowing looks."

"Excuse me whilst I go obliterate the nearest punching bag.
By the way, I have an LGBTQ reference compendium if you need it." Coco places the book on Ambassador Gayan's desk and bolts off, leaving her mecha behind and barely suppressing her fury.

Posted: **Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:14 pm**

Through much discussion, the Karunese National Council believes that this is not an international issue. Another problem is due to the fact that we Karunese take our holidays as a strong part of our culture and do not believe that this will fit in our culture. We do respect those in the LGBTQ community but we do not see them as worthy of an entire holiday nor will we support this legislation.

- Best regards,
Mei Xin'ji, Representitive of the KNC

Posted: **Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:15 pm**

Toropikaru wrote:We do respect those in the LGBTQ community but we do not see them as worthy of an entire holiday nor will we support this legislation.

- Best regards,
Mei Xin'ji, Representitive of the KNC

They have not done anything heroic or particularly helpful in this way, so what is the point to celebrate them the same way as people who did?

Posted: **Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:39 pm**

Araraukar wrote:
Fauxia wrote:"Lord have mercy. If you're going to have a terrible piece of legislation, at least make it do something other than trying to shove the homosexual agenda down the throats of people who have a moral aversion to it."

"Do you want me to say where to shove your moral aversion? The WA already has banned discrimination based on sexuality."

"We allow same-sex marriage; the government is out of marriage. But that doesn't mean we should just tell people 'You have to celebrate a group that you think does something immoral!" At least, the WA cannot make nations do that."

Posted: **Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:48 pm**

Of course, an LGBT history day sounds like an excellent idea. It'll be the perfect chance for us to showcase their history of being banned in our country! Humor aside, should this resolution ever reach the General Assembly, I fail to see how this could recieve anything but resounding "Nay's". When even the liberals are against this proposal, that really says a lot, doesn't it?

Posted: **Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:57 pm**

Fauxia wrote:
Araraukar wrote:"Do you want me to say where to shove your moral aversion? The WA already has banned discrimination based on sexuality."
"We allow same-sex marriage; the government is out of marriage. But that doesn't mean we should just tell people 'You have to celebrate a group that you think does something immoral!" At least, the WA cannot make nations do that."

Exactly! It should be the WA's job to enforce resolutions to prevent murderous dictatorships, terror, environment, health and terror from being exhibited in countries, not to be a social justice warrior.

Posted: **Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:25 pm**

Omakhandia does not recognize random holidays such as these. Most Omakhs find "gay pride" to be silly; after all, why be proud of something you cannot change and did not have to work for? There is also no "history" for us to recognize in Omakhandia, as marriage equality has never been an issue here, and therefore there is no civil rights movement to celebrate. Thus, all holidays celebrating racial identity, gender identity, or sexual orientation are considered pointless here. Individual communities may make days of recognition as they see fit, but we will not recognize this on a national level, and we will vote against it if it makes it to the WA (which is doubtful).

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:48 am**

Araraukar wrote:
Very Good Lesbians wrote:Hey, I made a draft of a proposal to recognize June 28th as LGBTQ History Day in the WA

OOC (which means "out of character", btw, this is me, the RL player talking to you, the RL player): Why? And why that day especially? Also, mentioning a certain RL calendar day might be a RL reference violation (which means the proposal would be "illegal", against the proposal rules, and if submitted, wouldn't be allowed to go to vote by GenSec/mods).

OOC
Legal, I think.
I refer you to GA Resolution #88, 'WA Numeration and Units Act', which

2. FURTHER AFFIRMS that diplomats, ambassadors and any other international official have the freedom:
(a) To use any variation of a mathematical unit they wish to, for whatever application they choose to use it for (including for the purposes of WA documentation);
(b) To use any variation of numeration or mathematical notation they wish to, for whatever application they choose to use it for (including for the purposes of WA documentation);

Also, as precedent, during the debate on the [illegal, but rushed to quorum before any Mods noticed] 'historical' resolution 'Max Barry Day', Hack's response to a player's comment that their nation's calendar didn't contain a day with the designated date was along the lines of "If this passes, then your calendar will contain that date" .

Also, as discussed in the debate on GAR#88, we can presume that when the Gnomes translate proposals into languages that the various ambassadors can understand (with the versions here all being in English as just an OOC rule) they also convert units of measurement used -- including dates -- accordingly.

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:48 am**

Dobrobyt wrote:
Fauxia wrote:"We allow same-sex marriage; the government is out of marriage. But that doesn't mean we should just tell people 'You have to celebrate a group that you think does something immoral!" At least, the WA cannot make nations do that."

Exactly! It should be the WA's job to enforce resolutions to prevent murderous dictatorships, terror, environment, health and terror from being exhibited in countries, not to be a social justice warrior.

"Nailed it, ambassador."

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:32 am**

Did I miss a memo? I thought "Declare "X" Day" was illegal for resolutions?

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:43 am**

Grays Harbor wrote:Did I miss a memo? I thought "Declare "X" Day" was illegal for resolutions?

"That would make sense if it were a rule. Otherwise we'd be crowded with nation-specific holiday proposals. I can see the folks at home going "hey let's turn the 26th day of Arah Aru into Genocide Awareness Day because that's when the purges started!" except that's a horrible idea. It would have to be something like the Day of Mourning or some shit to make it fly with the general populace."

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:01 am**

Bears Armed wrote:OOC
Legal, I think.

OOC: I did say might, because I wasn't sure.

Hack's response to a player's comment that their nation's calendar didn't contain a day with the designated date was along the lines of "If this passes, then your calendar will contain that date".

Oh cool, I'll totally have to make a proposal that requires kesäkuun yhdeksästoista to be made into some kind of official day thing, just to see people struggle with what they think are umlauts on an a (it's not umlauts, it's the letter ä)... :lol2:

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