[DRAFT] Repeal "National Economic Freedoms"

[Tinfect]

What do you intend to replace it with?

OOC:
Probably some nonsense that prohibits trade protectionism and state-infringement of markets.

[Aclion]

What do you intend to replace it with?

OOC:
Probably some nonsense that prohibits trade protectionism and state-infringement of markets.

Oh good.

[Desmosthenes and Burke]

OOC: If the replacement were a more effective block of collectivism and redistribution and more protective of free trade and capitalism, then I would support a repeal. Given how unlikely that is, consider me opposed on pragmatic grounds.

[Imperium Anglorum]

OOC: Probably some nonsense that prohibits trade protectionism and state-infringement of markets.

Oh, I forgot that Tinfect always seems to somehow speak on my behalf, promoting untruths, on any proposal of mine having to do with my field of expertise.

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OOC: If the replacement were a more effective block of collectivism and redistribution and more protective of free trade and capitalism, then I would support a repeal. Given how unlikely that is, consider me opposed on pragmatic grounds.

There are some chaps which I know who would like to propose such a proposal. I see no need for it. I am more concerned about what seems to be the more recent trend towards tightening the moderator precedent vis-à-vis the target resolution.

[Burninati0n]

The target resolution has been, for the most part, ignored by later resolutions, many of which certainly seem to contradict clauses in the target resolution. On these grounds, a repeal is unnecessary. At best, the target resolution prevents neoliberal types from outlawing leftist forms of government. At worst, it does nothing. Unless Burnination is greatly misreading direction of the political leanings of the hugely powerful delegates -- of which, IA is one -- it seems like opening that can of worms would harm those nations representing the Left.

This response is similar to what bananaistan said on page 1.

Unlike bananaistan, however, I am somewhat sad that this is the case, because I do have my own complaints about the target resolution. (I strongly opposed it at the time of its passage due to completely opposite grounds given in this repeal.)

[The Greater Siriusian Domain]

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Then I would refer you appropriate legislation drafted by Separatist Peoples and myself.

Teran Saber: "Well, where is this draft?"

OOC: It would be helpful if you linked to it.

[Kalata]

Teran Saber: "Well, where is this draft?"

VELNAX : Surely even the Ambassador of a nation as primitive as yours has a search engine? (OOC: Also, you spelt the word 'Ambassador' wrong, it has two 's's, not one.)

[Aclion]

Teran Saber: "Well, where is this draft?"

VELNAX : Surely even the Ambassador of a nation as primitive as yours has a search engine? (OOC: Also, you spelt the word 'Ambassador' wrong, it has two 's's, not one.)

perhaps you could regale us with the results of your googlefu, as looking through the active threads produces nothing by IA that could be a replacement for this proposal.

[Kalata]

VELNAX : Surely even the Ambassador of a nation as primitive as yours has a search engine? (OOC: Also, you spelt the word 'Ambassador' wrong, it has two 's's, not one.)

perhaps you could regale us with the results of your googlefu, as looking through the active threads produces nothing by IA that could be a replacement for this proposal.

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[Aclion]

... are you suggesting that the administrative compliance act is intended as a replacement?

[The Greater Siriusian Domain]

Teran Saber: "Well, where is this draft?"

VELNAX : Surely even the Ambassador of a nation as primitive as yours has a search engine? (OOC: Also, you spelt the word 'Ambassador' wrong, it has two 's's, not one.)

Teran Saber: "That line doesn't work when addressing a nation more advanced than your own. Try again or don't try at all. And on a separate note, Ambassador Velnax, if you're writing a proposal you should be expected to be asked to provide relevant information."

OOC: Due to your lack of factbooks, I'm assuming your nation is MT. The Greater Siriusian Domain is FT-FTL. Also, regarding looking up existing drafts, sure I could have looked it up. What Ambassador Teran Saber says in-character doesn't necessarily reflect anything out of character though, and I'm going by the assumption that the in-character World Assembly meeting hall resembles the UN's in terms of layout and setup, which includes the lack of computer terminals at each seat. It wouldn't necessarily be easy for Teran Saber to look something up without having to pull out his personal datapad, and I don't think the World Assembly's network is compliant with Greater Siriusian Domain wireless connection standards.

perhaps you could regale us with the results of your googlefu, as looking through the active threads produces nothing by IA that could be a replacement for this proposal.

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Teran Saber: "That old thing? I'm honestly surprised it still even exists. Surely you are joking, right?"

[Kalata]

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OOC: Then you're quite forgetful.

VELNAX: Coming from the primitives which tell us that they want to 'alpha strike' some enemy ships in suicide runs where ships jump one by one into enemy formations and without the technology to engage enemy ships at faster than light speeds, I think that very unlikely.

[The Greater Siriusian Domain]

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OOC: Then you're quite forgetful.

VELNAX: Coming from the primitives which tell us that they want to 'alpha strike' some enemy ships in suicide runs where ships jump one by one into enemy formations and without the technology to engage enemy ships at faster than light speeds, I think that very unlikely.

OOC: If you don't want people to make that mistake over and over, then you'll probably want to write a factbook about it. Also, I'm going to invoke the "omniversal annihilation cannon" on that portion of the IC conversation. I don't want a "one-up" situation here - stuff like that tends to put off people from interacting with non-MT nations.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Ugggggg. Dumb FT fantasy-based arguments. Whatever – tGSD, if you really care all that much about the fairness of the fines that could be levied, you'll see that the Administrative Compliance Act proposal in fact has systems to check for that. And if you think it's a joke, you clearly haven't seen how long-run and persistently active either I or Separatist Peoples are.

[The Greater Siriusian Domain]

Ugggggg. Dumb FT fantasy-based arguments.

OOC: You've already voiced your hatred for anyone who doesn't roleplay your way several times before. Honestly, it's starting to get really grating.

Whatever – tGSD, if you really care all that much about the fairness of the fines that could be levied, you'll see that the Administrative Compliance Act proposal in fact has systems to check for that.

OOC: And in that very thread I specifically voiced my opinion on it. My surprise and amusement (well, more Teran Saber's) about it being brought up has nothing to do with that.

And if you think it's a joke, you clearly haven't seen how long-run and persistently active either I or Separatist Peoples are.

OOC: The proposal had been buried for about three months with no updates and hadn't been revived. I had assumed it had been abandoned.

[Imperium Anglorum]

OOC: You've already voiced your hatred for anyone who doesn't roleplay your way several times before. Honestly, it's starting to get really grating.

Says the guy who uses his RP quite literally just for the purposes of (what were the words) 'a "one-up" situation' and techwank when responding to OOC remarks... However it is – I have no real intention of replacing the legislation. If you want assurances about possible economic sanctions, that's not a matter relevant to this proposal, that's a matter associated with the economic sanctions proposal. The only thing this proposal does is a bolted-on thing about eminent domain which should really have its own resolution. If your defence of target resolution is little more than irrelevant rubbish, I have no reason to continue listening to you.

[The Greater Siriusian Domain]

OOC: You've already voiced your hatred for anyone who doesn't roleplay your way several times before. Honestly, it's starting to get really grating.

Says the guy who uses his RP quite literally just for the purposes of (what were the words) 'a "one-up" situation' and techwank when responding to OOC remarks... However it is – I have no real intention of replacing the legislation. If you want assurances about possible economic sanctions, that's not a matter relevant to this proposal, that's a matter associated with the economic sanctions proposal. The only thing this proposal does is a bolted-on thing about eminent domain which should really have its own resolution. If your defence of target resolution is little more than irrelevant rubbish, I have no reason to continue listening to you.

OOC: First off, the "Omniversal Annihilation Cannon" isn't techwank. It's a fancy term for saying "this interaction has been retconned out of existence". That's why it was in OOC in the first place. If you're going to make accusations, make sure they're not baseless crap. Next time you make the claim that I'm just tech-wanking, I'm going to interpret it as a trolling attempt and will be taking it to the moderators.

Second, if you have no intention of replacing the legislation, then I have no intention of supporting this repeal. That's Teran Saber's terms IC, and that's my terms OOC.

Third, based on what you say the proposal does, you just admitted that a majority of the text of this repeal is non-factual. Only the fourth argument makes any mention of eminent domain. The rest goes on about enforcement of WA legislation through the use of sanctions and other economic penalties.

Finally, the above makes me not care if you aren't willing to negotiate. If most of your proposal is irrelevant rubbish, then no continued debate, however relevant it is or not, can change my mind on whether I would support this or not.