Eco Friendly Burial Act (DRAFT)

[The Sheika]

Given your answers, the Federation cannot support this. Too overreaching, too restrictive, and too concerned with something that has too small an impact on the environment.

You could use an ethics class or two, perhaps even take a little time to reach out and get to know people on the off hand chance that you might learn a little bit of sympathy.

[Shazbotdom]

"Not a matter of importance for the World Assembly."

[Excidium Planetis]

"This proposal prohibits cremation, the only practical method of disposing of bodies on Reckoner." Blackbourne states. "For that reason alone, I must oppose it."

OOC: Keshiland, your proposals are written in a very bland, informal style. Rather than write "this proposal will do blah blah blah", Instead say something like "Seeking to correct the problem of blah blah blah, the World Assembly hereby does the thing."

[Imperium Anglorum]

Needless to say, we are opposed. The military dead from the Great War deserve an proper burial so that our nation can heal the wounds still present at its conclusion. This proposal would make it significantly harder for persons to grieve. To tell people that 'Your son is somewhere in that field over there' rather than 'This is his grave' would make it difficult at best to help people gather themselves and move on.

Furthermore, this proposal would ban cremation, which is patently absurd. Places with little space for sprawling cemeteries would almost certainly prefer a less volume-intensive storage solution for their dead. Naturally, as this author's delegation is clueless, they will both ban chemicals and permit the use of chemicals in some sort of bio-creamation process.

[Albrenia]

"Albrenia supports the ideals of protecting the enviroment, but even as a 'faithless' nation we still have places and ways of paying respect to our dead. Perhaps if amended to merely prohibit overtly wasteful or harmful body disposal methods, it would meet with more support."

[Araraukar]

OOC: For the below in-character comments, keep in mind that Janis is from Araraukar, a nation that recycles everything possible, including the nutrients that dead human bodies consist of. She's very used to thinking about decomposing bodies and ending up as one eventually. Plus she worked as a wilderness guide as a summer job, so she's seen how things work in the natural circle of life too.

Natural state as in how they were at birth.

IC: So covered in mucus and remnants of membranes and usually some blood too, with a fleshy hosepipe attached to their navel? That sounds all too messy for a civilized burial. And would require cosmetic surgery after death, too.

I put that in to stop a smart alic from using something else to fill the hole.

What, you mean like "dirt that helps decomposting"? Where's the sense in that if you want to be eco-friendly?

Yes and the reason being is to use up less available space and leave the land as natural as possible.

But it's not really natural to bury anything in the ground. If you want a real eco burial, you should be advocating for a sky burial or similar, not bury the bodies in the ground to slowly rot over the years.

Carbon smoke is a no no

Why?

and E is to prevent bodies from taking longer then need be for bacteria or other microbes from breaking it down.

Yet you're insisting on them having to be buried in the ground in the first place, and forbidding from bringing in soil that's more active in terms of decomposer organisms?

Deterrent to make sure the law is followed.

And you're planning to enforce it exactly how?

Turning the body into ashes through a biological prosses.

Which happens how? This is the first time I've even heard of "bio cremation".

OOC: I shouldn't have mentioned "circle of life" at the beginning of this post. Now I have Lion King's opening song in my head.

[Wallenburg]

"We are vehemently opposed to this dreck, due to its unspeakable insult to my culture and others all across the World Assembly."

[KiraKira Land]

Sorry for interrupting again, but I'll mention that bio-cremation is a process which is basically liquefying the body in an alkaline solution. For anyone who is confused.

[Bears Armed]

"And what of those cultures that traditionally expose their dead for the beasts and birds to consume, or that actually practice funerary cannibalism"

Artorrios o SouthWoods,
ChairBear, Bears Armed Mission at the World Assembly.

[Keshiland]

"And what of those cultures that traditionally expose their dead for the beasts and birds to consume, or that actually practice funerary cannibalism"

Artorrios o SouthWoods,
ChairBear, Bears Armed Mission at the World Assembly.

That would be allowed.

[Australian rePublic]

How dare you impeed on religious freedom like this? When one's body dies, it must be prepared in such a way to prepare the eternal soul for thhe meeting with the Creator. Some religions have very specific burial rites, and we are not prepared to impeed upon them in order to meet some environmental targets. We shall be voting against this nonsense in the name of religious freedom!

[Keshiland]

How dare you impeed on religious freedom like this? When one's body dies, it must be prepared in such a way to prepare the eternal soul for thhe meeting with the Creator. Some religions have very specific burial rites, and we are not prepared to impeed upon them in order to meet some environmental targets. We shall be voting against this nonsense in the name of religious freedom!

Environment over rituals sorry not sorry

[United Republic of Lepala]

"No way, never, these regulations are completely incompatible with Lepalan culture. Maybe it might work in your country and your religion, but guess what, mine is different. You cannot try to force us to obey your cultural standards."
-Elected Emperor Taziira Ormnavva

[Keshiland]

"No way, never, these regulations are completely incompatible with Lepalan culture. Maybe it might work in your country and your religion, but guess what, mine is different. You cannot try to force us to obey your cultural standards."
-Elected Emperor Taziira Ormnavva

It's not about religion or tradition but about keeping the environment healthy!

[United Republic of Lepala]

"No way, never, these regulations are completely incompatible with Lepalan culture. Maybe it might work in your country and your religion, but guess what, mine is different. You cannot try to force us to obey your cultural standards."
-Elected Emperor Taziira Ormnavva

It's not about religion or tradition but about keeping the environment healthy!

"Yeah, well I can do that without you forcing your traditions down my throat. Face it, the world is to diverse for this to ever work."

[Serrus]

"This proposal prohibits cremation, the only practical method of disposing of bodies on Reckoner." Blackbourne states. "For that reason alone, I must oppose it."

OOC: Keshiland, your proposals are written in a very bland, informal style. Rather than write "this proposal will do blah blah blah", Instead say something like "Seeking to correct the problem of blah blah blah, the World Assembly hereby does the thing."

Seriously, any NS English Teachers?
Also I wanna sig "the World Assembly hereby does the thing," but it doesn't fit.

[United Republic of Lepala]

OOC: There are just so many... wrongs. This would never work. If you were to propose this to the UN in real life, you would get slapped in the face. Different cultures have different burial traditions, and it isn't your job to say otherwise.

[The Sheika]

Environment over rituals sorry not sorry

That right there is why you have as little support as you do. You stand there, demanding that others bow to your proposal regardless of the reason. I might be agnostic, but I acknowledge the cultural importance of rituals. At this point, I can't even take you serious anymore. Using childish terminology like "no no" as you had in previous comments and a failed attempt at being edgy with "sorry not sorry" is quite unlikely to endear anybody to your cause. Forget sympathy. You need empathy.

[Araraukar]

Sorry for interrupting again, but I'll mention that bio-cremation is a process which is basically liquefying the body in an alkaline solution. For anyone who is confused.

OOC: Which is not 1) "Turning the body into ashes through a biological prosses." to quote Keshiland, nor 2) any more natural than burning. Especially considering how "alkaline solutions" are made.

Environment over rituals sorry not sorry

It's not about religion or tradition but about keeping the environment healthy!

IC: But you're getting it all wrong! You don't bury bodies like that, you cut them up to remove the flesh, compost that and the innards like any spoiling meat, then grind the bones into instant fertilizer, and add both into large enough compost heaps to feed the micro-organisms that will return the nutrients from the body into forms that are usable by plants and algae.

Honestly, it's as if you'd never heard of composting.

OOC: And before you try in IC to tell Janis off, have a look at these.

[Grays Harbor]

Is this really something we care about? Why is this something we are supposed to care about? And why is it nothing more than simplistic micromanagement of something that is none of the WAs business.

Seriously, why does this have even semi serious debate?

[Araraukar]

Seriously, why does this have even semi serious debate?

OOC: Sshh, it's a place to RP, where nobody really expects a proper proposal to emerge.

[Allied Sapients]

IC: But you're getting it all wrong! You don't bury bodies like that, you cut them up to remove the flesh, compost that and the innards like any spoiling meat, then grind the bones into instant fertilizer, and add both into large enough compost heaps to feed the micro-organisms that will return the nutrients from the body into forms that are usable by plants and algae.

Honestly, it's as if you'd never heard of composting.

Ambassador Olsh finally speaks up. "Several of our alliance's constituents prefer to feed their dead into matter fabricators to be turned into a useful protein, carbohydrate, or silicon slurry. It's all very sanitary in the end, and with little wastage, though I do admit that most of our human constituents find the idea disturbing. But then again that does tend to take place most often on space stations and colony worlds where resources are tight. And there are side-effects if it's improperly done."

[Volitopia]

Environment over rituals sorry not sorry

Congratulations; you've spelled your own proposal's most fatal flaw.

[Araraukar]

"Several of our alliance's constituents prefer to feed their dead into matter fabricators"

We don't have that kind of technology, but have found that good knowledge of the biological process of decomposition and the organisms involved, goes a long way. Also, proper composting also very efficiently kills off most disease-causing micro-organisms.

OOC: Araraukar is a MT nation; they're a bit ahead of the RL tech curve in some areas, but a bit behind in others. Just like the different RL nations are, compared to one another.

[Allied Sapients]

((OOC: Yep, I know that. Ambassador Olsh just thought it would be a good time to start adding to the conversation, and that it would also help stress how everyone does things differently))

"It is no fault not to have a particular technology, or to prefer different ways of doing the same thing," says Ambassador Olsh. "The constitient species of Allied Sapients come from many different technological backgrounds. Not everyone uses the fabricators, in any case. Some do prefer biological decomposition, some ship their dead back to their home planet for burial or cremation, or there are a multitude of other ways. We do try to discourage what we have heard humans call an "astronaut's funeral" -that is, cycling the body out of an airlock- as it causes unnecessary clutter."