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Keshiland
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WA Murder bill (draft)

Postby Keshiland » Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:48 pm

Defines- Murder as any act of killing that has not been legalised by the WA.
Mandates- A life sentence for all who commit murder.
enactment clause- Effective once passed
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Postby Wrapper » Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:54 pm

Wrapper wrote:Now, I would suggest that you give up on this portion of the game for the time being, at least until you've had time to (1) read and understand the General Assembly Rules for Proposals, including General Assembly Proposal Categories; (2) read through Passed General Assembly Resolutions, so you can get a feel for exactly what a proposal should not only look like but also what a proposal should actually do; (3) take a look at the WA Archives, particularly for those topics that have the [PASSED] headers, so you can get a feel for how successful players draft, critique, respond, revise, submit, campaign for, and defend proposals; (4) take part in the debates in this forum and get a feel for how things work here.

Until you've done all that, and have a firm grasp of what it takes to be successful here, frankly, you're just wasting our time and your own time.

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Postby Kaboomlandia » Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:55 pm

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Postby Destructive Government Economic System » Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:56 pm

Was hoping this would be labeled as a "joke," but ah well.

After all, it's as tiny as this sentence.
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Postby Atkemri » Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:58 pm

Somehow I knew you did this. Keshi it's time we talk. When someone writes a WA draft. The draft has to have quality. And if it doesn't you will have to accept help and listen to advice. Can you promise that you will accept help this time? And this is not needed. Most nations already outlaw murder. I notice that you get one idea and keep on regurgitating it into drafts with different names. All with horrendous quality. That is all.
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Willania Imperium
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Postby Willania Imperium » Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:58 pm

The Emperor looks at this in disgust at this 2 sentenced flat lazy "writing" the ambassador handed to him.

"Oh my goodness, Keishland ambassador! Are you even trying? Do you think that this may actually work? Are you daft enough to think this will bleeding work? You just defined a term and stated a punishment! That's it! No preamble, no real clauses, nothing! It's just a pile of bloody crap! A pile of crap! If I wanted something better, I'd watch a cow fart while pooping! At least that will be a better use of time than reading this stupid proposal! It's stupid! Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!"

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Postby Keshiland » Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:02 pm

Willania Imperium wrote:The Emperor looks at this in disgust at this 2 sentenced flat lazy "writing" the ambassador handed to him.

"Oh my goodness, Keishland ambassador! Are you even trying? Do you think that this may actually work? Are you daft enough to think this will bleeding work? You just defined a term and stated a punishment! That's it! No preamble, no real clauses, nothing! It's just a pile of bloody crap! A pile of crap! If I wanted something better, I'd watch a cow fart while pooping! At least that will be a better use of time than reading this stupid proposal! It's stupid! Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!"

The Emperor continues to rant like crazy and starts beating the hell out of the ambassador.

OOC: My god, Keishland. Really? You've gave us horrendous works of symbols, and now you've given us the magnum opus. The one to top it all off. The peak of your proposals. This is the worst thing I ever seen.


It is short and simple because this way it will be legal and achieve maximum impact. Point blank.
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Postby The Sheika » Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:07 pm

Keshiland wrote:It is short and simple because this way it will be legal and achieve maximum impact. Point blank.


The problem is you are just going for legal and that's it. In the couple of lines provided I don't see any reason why I or any other Ambassador to the WA should be compelled to look at this as an international issue. Is it legal? Maybe, I suppose. Does it achieve maximum impact? No.

In order to achieve maximum impact you have to compel us to see it as an international issue. As it stands, murder is a crime and if not it should be, but best left to each individual nation.
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Postby Wrapper » Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:08 pm

Keshiland wrote:It is short and simple because this way it will be legal and achieve maximum impact. Point blank.

No, it's not legal. And no, I'm not going to tell you why, because it's obvious you've ignored my advice.

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Postby Willania Imperium » Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:09 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Willania Imperium wrote:The Emperor looks at this in disgust at this 2 sentenced flat lazy "writing" the ambassador handed to him.

"Oh my goodness, Keishland ambassador! Are you even trying? Do you think that this may actually work? Are you daft enough to think this will bleeding work? You just defined a term and stated a punishment! That's it! No preamble, no real clauses, nothing! It's just a pile of bloody crap! A pile of crap! If I wanted something better, I'd watch a cow fart while pooping! At least that will be a better use of time than reading this stupid proposal! It's stupid! Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!"

The Emperor continues to rant like crazy and starts beating the hell out of the ambassador.

OOC: My god, Keishland. Really? You've gave us horrendous works of symbols, and now you've given us the magnum opus. The one to top it all off. The peak of your proposals. This is the worst thing I ever seen.


It is short and simple because this way it will be legal and achieve maximum impact. Point blank.


"You're right, Ambassador. It is short and simple. But it's too simple! It's virtually useless! All your other godforsaken pieces of stupid crap had some effect! This just states murder is bad and people will be locked for it! It's useless! Absolutely useless! Just like your membership here in the WA and LIFE!!!!!!"

The Emperor continues to rant as he starts to strangle the ambassador in order to "get his life membership."

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Postby Atkemri » Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:23 pm

Ok Keshi. Are you joking the world assembly? Are you the ultimate troll that the mods can't detect? Are you a DOS player who decided to come back and this is how you chose to troll seeing that you can't get bann? And to everyone else how long before he becomes the first original Nationstates meme?
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Postby NeoOasis » Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:35 pm

Definition of homocide: "Homicide is the act of one human killing another."

What about our non-human members?

This isn't short and simple. It's truncated and ambiguous. You've left gaps a large battleship could sail through... sideways.

I'm not entirely sure if self defense has been recognized as legal homicide in the WA... if someone wants to correct me... by all means.

Basically you want to imprison anyone who defends themselves. Also killing in war has never really been legalized, so we're essentially going to be sentencing our entire military to jail... which reminds me... what about contracted killings or negligent deaths at the hands of doctors? Does assisted suicide count if the patient does it themselves?


And hell... you aren't addressing the reasons for murder/homicide. Merely punishing crimes won't prevent people from committing them, and for that matter stiff penalties haven't stopped people.
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Postby Flowrisa » Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:52 pm

Ambassador Alexis Palacio:

"Shut up. Shut up. Shut your mouth. Shut down this proposal. Shut everything. We already have laws that criminalize and punish the crime of murder. You are absolutely bonkers if you think a proposal like this will pass. That, and nations can have varying punishments for murder itself. You can't go around ordering all nations in the WA, to do this and that, you're not God!" She sighs and facepalms. "You also can't say that all members of the military has to be sentenced to life-inprisonment! Killing other soldiers is one of the main parts of their job. This is practically useless. Even more than emoticons! In conclusion, please, I beg you, and I think I speak on behalf of most, if not all ambassadors here, and urge you to not submit this pile of [synonym for the word 'poo']."
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Postby Hashirajima » Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:04 am

Kongou looks up from her copy of the proposed... "bill".

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Postby Greifenburg » Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:19 am

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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:44 am

Fairburn: A WA resolution to ban illegal homicide? Why not decriminalise legal driving while we're at it?
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Postby Grays Harbor » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:47 am

Keshiland wrote:
Willania Imperium wrote:The Emperor looks at this in disgust at this 2 sentenced flat lazy "writing" the ambassador handed to him.

"Oh my goodness, Keishland ambassador! Are you even trying? Do you think that this may actually work? Are you daft enough to think this will bleeding work? You just defined a term and stated a punishment! That's it! No preamble, no real clauses, nothing! It's just a pile of bloody crap! A pile of crap! If I wanted something better, I'd watch a cow fart while pooping! At least that will be a better use of time than reading this stupid proposal! It's stupid! Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!"

The Emperor continues to rant like crazy and starts beating the hell out of the ambassador.

OOC: My god, Keishland. Really? You've gave us horrendous works of symbols, and now you've given us the magnum opus. The one to top it all off. The peak of your proposals. This is the worst thing I ever seen.


It is short and simple because this way it will be legal and achieve maximum impact. Point blank.

Another Keshilist. How quaint. Learn the difference between "simple", and "simplistic". And while you are at it learn the difference between "technically barely legal", and "Good and Useful Idea". And the WA rules and guidelines. Because you are clueless about all of that.
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Postby Keshiland » Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:00 am

States of Glory WA Office wrote:Fairburn: A WA resolution to ban illegal homicide? Why not decriminalise legal driving while we're at it?


No to ban homicide that is not legalized yet
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Postby Willania Imperium » Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:25 am

Keshiland wrote:
States of Glory WA Office wrote:Fairburn: A WA resolution to ban illegal homicide? Why not decriminalise legal driving while we're at it?


No. To ban homicide that is not legalized yet.


"..."

"The stupidity of what you just said makes me want to throw you off a cliff. Hold still."

The Emperor pulls the limping body of the Keishland Ambassador and runs to the nearest cliff.

OOC: Seriously? TO ban homicide that hasn't been legalized yet? I'm pretty certain that homicide that hasn't been legalized yet HAS ALREADY BEEN BANNED! If you're actually trying to write a proposal to address international issues, go do it. But if you're making them just to gain a medal for your half-assed work, get out of the WA until you learned your lesson.

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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:25 pm

Keshiland wrote:Defines- Murder as any act of homicide that has not been legalised be the WA.
Mandates- A life sentence for all who commit murder.
enactment cause- Effective once passed

OOC: Seriously? Seriously? Instead of adding another asinine draft to your incessant spam chain - of proposals that break more rules than I can count - why don't you finish work on your previous draft proposal: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=420644

Or have you abandoned that one too?
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Postby Keshiland » Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:15 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Keshiland wrote:Defines- Murder as any act of homicide that has not been legalised be the WA.
Mandates- A life sentence for all who commit murder.
enactment cause- Effective once passed

OOC: Seriously? Seriously? Instead of adding another asinine draft to your incessant spam chain - of proposals that break more rules than I can count - why don't you finish work on your previous draft proposal: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=420644

Or have you abandoned that one too?


That has to get a repeal pass 1st
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