"Culture traditions, religion, and parental authority are not excuses for torture.
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by Thermodolia » Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:34 pm
by States of Glory WA Office » Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:18 pm
by Serrus » Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:46 pm
States of Glory WA Office wrote:Fairburn: You know what else is a cultural tradition? Defenestration.
Eastern Raarothorgren wrote:News websites are good and reasonable soruces of information or they would not be on the internet if they were saying things that were incorrect.
Keshiland wrote:I am yes arguing that the 1st 4 are not binding to the states and yes I know that in most Republican states they would ban the freedom of religion and the freedom of essembally but I don't live there and I hate guns!
by Sierra Lyricalia » Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:38 pm
Greater Gilead wrote:...GAR #114 restricts freedom of religion. Argue against that, leftists!
by Prydania » Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:14 pm
Greater Gilead wrote:The Atlae Isles wrote:"I'm sure that whatever religion that presumably participates in such activities, would find some more legal-standing activities to practice its religion. The resolution isn't restricting the religion itself, but a certain practice of it. So that isn't restricting 'freedom of religion.' "
When laws prevent you from following all the points of your religion, yes, it is restricting freedom of religion. It's like if I made eating pork mandatory, the Jews and Muslims would say I was violating freedom of religion.
by Frisbeeteria » Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:43 pm
Greater Gilead wrote:GAR #114 restricts freedom of religion. Argue against that, leftists!
by Bears Armed » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:33 am
Frisbeeteria wrote:You're ignoring perhaps the most pertinent question: "is it law, or is it custom?" I'm betting that FGM is custom, not law. It's common in some Islamic nations, but not in all of them. That means there are devout Muslims who do not practice this act, and yet are still Muslims. That makes it custom, and custom is not "religion".
In other Muslim countries, the Burka is custom. It is not law. The Koran doesn't call for that specific necessity - it's more of a Bedouin custom than Sharia Law.
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:51 am
The Sons of Jacob wrote:The Lower Ruski Republic wrote:Does male circumsicion hurt? Yes.
What are the benefits? Dont know, but its tradition.
Why should we stop the FGM, it is part of the tradition!
You are probably being sarcastic, but I agree with what you just said.
If male circumcision is not torture, neither is female.
by Godular » Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:15 am
by Wrapper » Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:18 am
Godular wrote:Can a non-member even draft legislation?
by Godular » Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:20 am
by Thyerata » Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:24 am
by Imperium Anglorum » Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:25 am
Godular wrote:Huh. Requires a second to go forward or something? The FAQ is hard to navigate.
by Greater Gilead » Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:53 pm
Auralia wrote:((OOC: I don't think it's a coincidence that a nation called "Greater Gilead" is writing a proposal of this nature. I wouldn't take this seriously.))
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:Greater Gilead wrote:...GAR #114 restricts freedom of religion. Argue against that, leftists!
OOC: Reading this thread, I feel like any breath expended on you is simply wasted, but sure, I'll bite.
An individual right, including one person's freedom to practice his religion, is not absolute or infinite. Individual A's freedom of behavior ends where that behavior affects Individual B without B's fully informed consent. If this were not so, anyone could do anything to anyone else and civil society would be impossible. Literally the entire political spectrum, from totalitarians to anarchists, understands this - even if you do not.
QED
Next!
Deropia wrote:Jason can't help but laugh as the scotch bottle, followed soon after by the pie, fly through the air of the chamber. "Ah, this place may be a mad-house...but its the best damn posting I've ever had...".
The Bible Baptist Republic wrote:Ambassador Conklin reads the proposal, blinks twice, and mutters "There ain't enough whiskey to deal with this crap."
by Sierra Lyricalia » Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:19 pm
Greater Gilead wrote:Sierra Lyricalia wrote:OOC: Reading this thread, I feel like any breath expended on you is simply wasted, but sure, I'll bite.
An individual right, including one person's freedom to practice his religion, is not absolute or infinite. Individual A's freedom of behavior ends where that behavior affects Individual B without B's fully informed consent. If this were not so, anyone could do anything to anyone else and civil society would be impossible. Literally the entire political spectrum, from totalitarians to anarchists, understands this - even if you do not.
QED
Next!
By making the choice to stay in said religion or nation, you basically agree to their laws and customs.
And there are always ways out. Somehow. Always.
by Greater Gilead » Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:25 pm
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:Greater Gilead wrote:By making the choice to stay in said religion or nation, you basically agree to their laws and customs.
That's not a "choice." Especially not for the children this is done to. If your father claimed your religion says you have to cut half your dick off, I doubt you'd see much of a "choice" there.And there are always ways out. Somehow. Always.
Uh, no. When escapees who don't make it are brought back and punished, that's not "a way out" by any reasonable standard. If people who refuse are treated any other way than with a polite goodbye, that's basically North Korea writ small.
This repeal is shit. Contrary to your response to Auralia, I have to imagine you're just trolling.
Anyway....
I said 'Next!'
Deropia wrote:Jason can't help but laugh as the scotch bottle, followed soon after by the pie, fly through the air of the chamber. "Ah, this place may be a mad-house...but its the best damn posting I've ever had...".
The Bible Baptist Republic wrote:Ambassador Conklin reads the proposal, blinks twice, and mutters "There ain't enough whiskey to deal with this crap."
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:29 pm
Greater Gilead wrote:Sierra Lyricalia wrote:That's not a "choice." Especially not for the children this is done to. If your father claimed your religion says you have to cut half your dick off, I doubt you'd see much of a "choice" there.
Uh, no. When escapees who don't make it are brought back and punished, that's not "a way out" by any reasonable standard. If people who refuse are treated any other way than with a polite goodbye, that's basically North Korea writ small.
This repeal is shit. Contrary to your response to Auralia, I have to imagine you're just trolling.
Anyway....
I said 'Next!'
I am not trolling. Seriously.
Also, you are thinking narrow mindedly on "way out". Think outside the box. There are four main ways out of Gilead. Only one is escape to another country.
Also, there is benefit from FGM. In two ways. 1. It help keep girls pure. 2. If it is a threatened punishment, you'll behave, right? See "redemption" in my Glossary.
by Separatist Peoples » Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:16 am
by Thyerata » Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:14 am
by Serrus » Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:05 am
Greater Gilead wrote:Sierra Lyricalia wrote:That's not a "choice." Especially not for the children this is done to. If your father claimed your religion says you have to cut half your dick off, I doubt you'd see much of a "choice" there.
Uh, no. When escapees who don't make it are brought back and punished, that's not "a way out" by any reasonable standard. If people who refuse are treated any other way than with a polite goodbye, that's basically North Korea writ small.
This repeal is shit. Contrary to your response to Auralia, I have to imagine you're just trolling.
Anyway....
I said 'Next!'
I am not trolling. Seriously.
Also, you are thinking narrow mindedly on "way out". Think outside the box. There are four main ways out of Gilead. Only one is escape to another country.
Also, there is benefit from FGM. In two ways. 1. It help keep girls pure. 2. If it is a threatened punishment, you'll behave, right? See "redemption" in my Glossary.
Eastern Raarothorgren wrote:News websites are good and reasonable soruces of information or they would not be on the internet if they were saying things that were incorrect.
Keshiland wrote:I am yes arguing that the 1st 4 are not binding to the states and yes I know that in most Republican states they would ban the freedom of religion and the freedom of essembally but I don't live there and I hate guns!
by Lanian Empire » Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:11 am
Serrus wrote:Greater Gilead wrote:I am not trolling. Seriously.
Also, you are thinking narrow mindedly on "way out". Think outside the box. There are four main ways out of Gilead. Only one is escape to another country.
Also, there is benefit from FGM. In two ways. 1. It help keep girls pure. 2. If it is a threatened punishment, you'll behave, right? See "redemption" in my Glossary.
You horrify me sir.
I have no words to express the variety of sick/angry/scared you made me feel.
I need a hug now.
by Greater Gilead » Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:19 am
Serrus wrote:Greater Gilead wrote:I am not trolling. Seriously.
Also, you are thinking narrow mindedly on "way out". Think outside the box. There are four main ways out of Gilead. Only one is escape to another country.
Also, there is benefit from FGM. In two ways. 1. It help keep girls pure. 2. If it is a threatened punishment, you'll behave, right? See "redemption" in my Glossary.
You horrify me sir.
I have no words to express the variety of sick/angry/scared you made me feel.
I need a hug now.
Deropia wrote:Jason can't help but laugh as the scotch bottle, followed soon after by the pie, fly through the air of the chamber. "Ah, this place may be a mad-house...but its the best damn posting I've ever had...".
The Bible Baptist Republic wrote:Ambassador Conklin reads the proposal, blinks twice, and mutters "There ain't enough whiskey to deal with this crap."
by Godular » Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:26 am
Greater Gilead wrote:Serrus wrote:
You horrify me sir.
I have no words to express the variety of sick/angry/scared you made me feel.
I need a hug now.
Guess what? I am sickened by liberals murdering babys. Get over it. And I'm not changing my nation for liberals trying to force their veiws on others. We are not trying that, we just want the ability to make our own choices.
by Greater Gilead » Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:33 am
Godular wrote:Greater Gilead wrote:Guess what? I am sickened by liberals murdering babys. Get over it. And I'm not changing my nation for liberals trying to force their veiws on others. We are not trying that, we just want the ability to make our own choices.
Which is given, in that women are allowed to make their own choices.
Deropia wrote:Jason can't help but laugh as the scotch bottle, followed soon after by the pie, fly through the air of the chamber. "Ah, this place may be a mad-house...but its the best damn posting I've ever had...".
The Bible Baptist Republic wrote:Ambassador Conklin reads the proposal, blinks twice, and mutters "There ain't enough whiskey to deal with this crap."
by Godular » Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:38 am
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