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Araraukar
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Postby Araraukar » Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:22 pm

Greifenburg wrote:OOC: Well, you did point out that reusage of for example glass bottles is a thing. That's not recycling perse, but reuse. With 5) I make sure that such programs (got it this time) can coexist with recycling and that this is not a blocker for resolutions addressing such programs.

OOC: ...that has nothing to do with what you wrote. You can't just put in a "future resolutions can make any laws they like about recycling and reuse", as the future proposals still can't contradict anything in your resolution and be legal. If you meant to say your proposal doesn't affect re-use and composting (or whatever you want to leave out of it), then just say so.

so a bit more feedback beyond "I know what you're saying, but the sentence makes no sense" would be welcome.

For that you may need to wait until next week, because RL being so hectic, I'm operating on serious sleep deprivation and just using English (which is a foreign language to me) to say anything without a massive amount of typos is a struggle. Writing exact law text is currently beyond me.
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Postby Greifenburg » Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:41 pm

Araraukar wrote:OOC: ...that has nothing to do with what you wrote. You can't just put in a "future resolutions can make any laws they like about recycling and reuse", as the future proposals still can't contradict anything in your resolution and be legal. If you meant to say your proposal doesn't affect re-use and composting (or whatever you want to leave out of it), then just say so.


OOC: Reuse is not covered in the definition of recycling in this draft, you brought it up in the first place. Not all waste reduction programs are recycling (though composting technically is). The three R's IRL are "Reduce, Reuse, Recycle", of which I only intended to cover the last one. It doesn't say "new resolutions can make new laws about recycling", it says "other waste reduction programs" (like a reuse program for bottles, as you made the example), which can supplement one another just fine.

For that you may need to wait until next week, because RL being so hectic, I'm operating on serious sleep deprivation and just using English (which is a foreign language to me) to say anything without a massive amount of typos is a struggle. Writing exact law text is currently beyond me.


I know that feeling, and hope it will get better for you soon. Maybe I'll find a better formulation in the mean time.
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Postby Araraukar » Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:45 pm

Greifenburg wrote:OOC: Reuse is not covered in the definition of recycling in this draft, you brought it up in the first place.

OOC: Your definition ""Recyclable waste material" as a material that can be reprocessed into materials fit for manufacturing" include reusable materials. You then use that definition to define recycling and then mandate recycling. Maybe it you excluded reusable materials from the definition of recyclable waste, it wouldn't create the issue of mandating the recycling of what could be reused instead.

But I'm crawling to bed now anyway. Good night.
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Postby Greifenburg » Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:55 pm

Araraukar wrote:OOC: Your definition ""Recyclable waste material" as a material that can be reprocessed into materials fit for manufacturing" include reusable materials. You then use that definition to define recycling and then mandate recycling. Maybe it you excluded reusable materials from the definition of recyclable waste, it wouldn't create the issue of mandating the recycling of what could be reused instead.


OOC: I think you just hit a nail there. If I reprocess something, I don't reuse it even if it is reusable. I can exclude reusable materials from there, that's fine by me.

But I'm crawling to bed now anyway. Good night.


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Postby Falcania » Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:13 am

Wouldn't use the word "garbage" in the preamble. Try "refuse".
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Postby Greifenburg » Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:39 am

Falcania wrote:Wouldn't use the word "garbage" in the preamble. Try "refuse".


"Well, we changed the wording. And it took us only almost a year. I'm impressed with the speed my office works these days.

Also, a clarification clause regarding other waste reduction programs has been added."
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Postby Gorundu » Sat Feb 22, 2020 3:59 am

This has been submitted by the author and is now in queue. I'm in support. No flaws that I can find so far.
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Postby Kenmoria » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:15 am

“I question whether there are such things as the ‘energy-intensive resources’ mentioned in the preamble. A process can use energy, but no resource that I know of absorbs energy passively. Nevertheless, this proposal has full support from this delegation.”
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Postby Greifenburg » Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:11 am

Kenmoria wrote:“I question whether there are such things as the ‘energy-intensive resources’ mentioned in the preamble. A process can use energy, but no resource that I know of absorbs energy passively. Nevertheless, this proposal has full support from this delegation.”


"First, I would like to thank you for your support. Regarding the term "energy-intesive resources", it was intended to refer to resources that require high amounts of energy to aquire, hence making them energy-intensive. However, I concede that the meaning might have been lost here, even if it sounds right to me."
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Postby Araraukar » Sat Feb 22, 2020 2:21 pm

OOC: As Araraukar is already compliant with the mandates, no opposition from me.

IC: "Wouldn't every reasonable nation already be doing everything required by the proposal?"
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Postby Greifenburg » Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:03 am

Araraukar wrote:OOC: As Araraukar is already compliant with the mandates, no opposition from me.

IC: "Wouldn't every reasonable nation already be doing everything required by the proposal?"


"Oh, I'm pretty sure every reasonable nation fulfills those requirements. Now, if only every nation was reasonable, the World Assembly would never need to make another resolution again."

Ambassador Schreiner looks thoughtful.

"Then again, our reason might appear insane to others."
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Postby Cosmosplosion » Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:04 pm

"Our Republic welcomes this resolution. Despite our best efforts to encourage others to recycle, providing vast facilities to allow our neighbors to do so, all they seem to send to us are electronic cigarette batteries, as if GAR #459 is some sort of joke to them. Alas, we hope this proposal will encourage cleaner environments throughout all worlds, and wish this proposal nothing but the best."
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Postby Interwood » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:34 pm

For.

I can't find any significant issues with this (other than a slight typo in clause 2(b) which says "recyclable materials" as opposed to the defined "recyclable waste materials", an issue with very minimal consequences).

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Postby Tarnik » Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:48 am

The environment affects us all and after ignoring the environment for economic gain, the people of Tarnik recognize this. Therefore we will be voting in support of this resolution and hope that other nations will rally to do the same.

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Postby American Pere Housh » Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:44 pm

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Postby The COT Corporation » Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:01 pm

The ambassador emerges from a shady corner of the room, and steps up on a pedestal.

"This proposal is ill-written in our eyes. Does clause 2.a. mandate the use of recycling to the best of our ability? Or as much as we want within our ability?"
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Postby Greifenburg » Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:57 pm

The COT Corporation wrote:The ambassador emerges from a shady corner of the room, and steps up on a pedestal.

"This proposal is ill-written in our eyes. Does clause 2.a. mandate the use of recycling to the best of our ability? Or as much as we want within our ability?"


"It would mandate the implementation to the best of a nations abilities, ambassador."
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Postby Rex the Very Good Boy » Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:14 pm

Arf! Arf! Arf!

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:56 pm

Greifenburg wrote:4. Clarifies that this resolution does neither prevent nor discrourage the implementation of other waste reduction methods before or after recycling takes place.

Spelling mistake. Against.
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Postby Greifenburg » Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:14 pm

The New California Republic wrote:Spelling mistake. Against.


"Well... that's embarrassing."

Schreiner grimaces and mumbles "We need new proofreaders in the office..."
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Postby Kyrgwalaey » Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:38 pm

"Though we may appear to be lacking a softer side," the Great Asmofad Tajari III voices, "It is in our spiritual, financial and moral interest to invest in our environment. We value the beauty of nature essential to our lives, and financially responsible for my continued reign. Industry is limited to materials which are inorganic."

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Postby Bear Connors Paradiso » Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:53 pm

Companies should be responsible for reusing their own products. NO MORE SINGLE USE! Take those old plastic/aluminum/glass bottles, melt them down, remake them into new bottles and refill. Why are we dumping it all on poor nations or charging our own citizens when it's clearly a corporate byproduct?

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Postby Grubville » Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:56 pm

Whilst my nation is in favour of industrial development, I don't believe this has to come at the expense of the environment. Indeed, as traditionally non-environmentally friendly sectors lose favour, I believe that other sectors that find ways to work in environmentally-conscious ways will flourish.

Grubville votes in support of this proposal, and implores others to do the same.

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Postby Excidium Planetis » Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:05 pm

Greifenburg wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Spelling mistake. Against.


"Well... that's embarrassing."

Schreiner grimaces and mumbles "We need new proofreaders in the office..."


OOC:
there's also weird font changes in the text. Looks totally out of place for a resolution.
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Postby Araraukar » Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:12 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:OOC: there's also weird font changes in the text. Looks totally out of place for a resolution.

OOC: I've noticed those in other resolutions, too, where I'm quite sure there were no actual font changes in the actual text, so I think it's some kind of artifact, possibly due to text copied directly off of something like Word. I don't think the author should be blamed for systemic incompatibility error.
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