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Postby The Sheika » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:44 pm

Dobrobyt wrote:
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I had taken note of that and applaud you for that consideration, however the Federation will always stand behind the right to choose. Yes, I would rather other choices be made, as would many in the Federation, but choice is the solid foundation we stand upon.

I do have one question in regard to this repeal. What defines "moral"?


In this case, it would be more life-preserving and helpful options.

Could you possibly elaborate?
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Postby Dobrobyt » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:44 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
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If this repeal passes, we will have more than just the proposed replacement to choose from, as all WA can contribute on a new law.

That is true, but usually when someone drafts a repeal in hopes of opening the lawbooks to new legislation, it's considered a repeal and replace effort.


This is a repeal and replace, but for a bill like this, I know many would have to contribute as well to get something passed.
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Postby Dobrobyt » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:46 pm

The Sheika wrote:
Dobrobyt wrote:
In this case, it would be more life-preserving and helpful options.

Could you possibly elaborate?


Specific examples would be adoption, choosing to raise the baby, baby raised by other family members, or in some cases orphanages. Any of these options would still preserve the child's life- which I consider moral.
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Postby The Sheika » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:48 pm

Dobrobyt wrote:
The Sheika wrote:Could you possibly elaborate?


Specific examples would be adoption, choosing to raise the baby, baby raised by other family members, or in some cases orphanages. Any of these options would still preserve the child's life- which I consider moral.

Okay, good for elaboration. Now for my next question. Are you, or would you have the possibility of being, a mother?
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Postby Wallenburg » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:49 pm

The Sheika wrote:
Dobrobyt wrote:
Specific examples would be adoption, choosing to raise the baby, baby raised by other family members, or in some cases orphanages. Any of these options would still preserve the child's life- which I consider moral.

Okay, good for elaboration. Now for my next question. Are you, or would you have the possibility of being, a mother?

Irrelevant.
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Postby Dobrobyt » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:50 pm

The Sheika wrote:
Dobrobyt wrote:
Specific examples would be adoption, choosing to raise the baby, baby raised by other family members, or in some cases orphanages. Any of these options would still preserve the child's life- which I consider moral.

Okay, good for elaboration. Now for my next question. Are you, or would you have the possibility of being, a mother?


Obviously an individual would be allowed to be a mother!

About me, I *hopefully* am a future father, and in that case, I would never have a wife who would abort a baby out of pure irresponsibility and carelessness.
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Postby Dobrobyt » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:52 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
The Sheika wrote:Okay, good for elaboration. Now for my next question. Are you, or would you have the possibility of being, a mother?

Irrelevant.


I think he/she would like to know from which perspective this is coming from.
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Postby The Sheika » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:53 pm

Dobrobyt wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Irrelevant.


I think he would like to know from which perspective this is coming from.

Precisely. Although the Ambassador from Wallenburg is correct. I must apologize for towing this away from the matter at hand.

I, as well as the Federation, remain opposed to a repeal.
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Postby Master Republic » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:42 pm

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Postby United Massachusetts » Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:07 pm

The World Assembly members,
RECOGNIZING that current laws on abortion do not protect the future human lives of newborns in many countries, many of who are victims of lack of responsibility by parents.
AWARE of the unfortunate circumstances which may compel a woman to obtain an abortion,

REALIZING that GAR #286 the current bill does nothing very little to reduce unnecessary abortions or address the root causes of abortion, despite the real and lasting emotional pain which many women feel thereafter, however that it protects the right to choose in a life-threatening situations or fatal conditions.

YEARNING to reduce the prevalence of abortions in circumstances where the practice thereof is unneeded,

SHOCKED that the current bill GAR #286 allows for abortion in all circumstances up until the very date of birth, when a fetus is, in almost every way, indistinguishable from its newborn counterparts.the killing of the living in the womb.

REALIZING that there are more moral alternatives to the current bill that can be worked out to satisfy both the parent and protect the child being born.

ACKNOWLEDGING that many nations, particularly those who hold serious moral reservations about the practice of abortion, may seek other ways to deal with unwanted pregnancies while conforming to their moral compass, there are other options that can be worked out in the case of many abortions(adoptions, for example).
SEEING that an individual controls their body., and not wishing to infringe on this soveirgneity,

However, SEEING that it is immoral and wrong that an individual decides the fate(life or death) of another individual, even a future one, as that is prevention of life or future life.

Yet, ACKNOWLEDGING that these options are questionable in certain life-threatening or dangerous situations, and that these rights will be worked out by the World Assembly to remain.

BELIEVING that AGREEING that we,the World Assembly, will work outon a more moral, beneficial,iting and sustainable replacement for Resolution #286.

REPEALS I present you, the Repeal ofReproductive Freedoms(GA#286).

Hey there! A fellow pro-lifer on NationStates, the one place where abortion is literally more popular than banning slavery! Though this will never pass (take a look at my attempt), I'd be willing to help you edit this and get it to vote. The key here is to keep on getting these to vote to raise awareness about all its flaws. I've proposed several edits above, the additions in bold and the removals in strike text. I hope you find them helpful

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Postby Dobrobyt » Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:09 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
The World Assembly members,
RECOGNIZING that current laws on abortion do not protect the future human lives of newborns in many countries, many of who are victims of lack of responsibility by parents.
AWARE of the unfortunate circumstances which may compel a woman to obtain an abortion,

REALIZING that GAR #286 the current bill does nothing very little to reduce unnecessary abortions or address the root causes of abortion, despite the real and lasting emotional pain which many women feel thereafter, however that it protects the right to choose in a life-threatening situations or fatal conditions.

YEARNING to reduce the prevalence of abortions in circumstances where the practice thereof is unneeded,

SHOCKED that the current bill GAR #286 allows for abortion in all circumstances up until the very date of birth, when a fetus is, in almost every way, indistinguishable from its newborn counterparts.the killing of the living in the womb.

REALIZING that there are more moral alternatives to the current bill that can be worked out to satisfy both the parent and protect the child being born.

ACKNOWLEDGING that many nations, particularly those who hold serious moral reservations about the practice of abortion, may seek other ways to deal with unwanted pregnancies while conforming to their moral compass, there are other options that can be worked out in the case of many abortions(adoptions, for example).
SEEING that an individual controls their body., and not wishing to infringe on this soveirgneity,

However, SEEING that it is immoral and wrong that an individual decides the fate(life or death) of another individual, even a future one, as that is prevention of life or future life.

Yet, ACKNOWLEDGING that these options are questionable in certain life-threatening or dangerous situations, and that these rights will be worked out by the World Assembly to remain.

BELIEVING that AGREEING that we,the World Assembly, will work outon a more moral, beneficial,iting and sustainable replacement for Resolution #286.

REPEALS I present you, the Repeal ofReproductive Freedoms(GA#286).

Hey there! A fellow pro-lifer on NationStates, the one place where abortion is literally more popular than banning slavery! Though this will never pass (take a look at my attempt), I'd be willing to help you edit this and get it to vote. The key here is to keep on getting these to vote to raise awareness about all its flaws. I've proposed several edits above, the additions in bold and the removals in strike text. I hope you find them helpful


I heard about you as an active pro-lifer, glad to see you comment! Thank you for your changes, I will review them.
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Anti- welfare, abortions(in most cases), forced secularism, socialism, communism, unhealthy food and chemicals, mass-immigration, radical Islam

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Postby Greifenburg » Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:16 pm

"As announced at the replacement draft, Greifenburg will oppose this repeal. Our government doesn't see any reason to force women into one option, when it is her choice to make."
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Postby Bananaistan » Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:50 am

"As always, the People's Republic of Bananaistan stands opposed to any attempt to repeal Reproductive Freedoms. We are pleased to continue to be in favour of the unrestricted rights of women to decide what, how, when, why and where their bodies are used and we shall proudly stand with the international community in defending this right."

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Postby United Massachusetts » Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:52 am

Bananaistan wrote:"As always, the People's Republic of Bananaistan stands opposed to any attempt to repeal Reproductive Freedoms. We are pleased to continue to be in favour of the unrestricted rights of women to decide what, how, when, why and where their bodies are used and we shall proudly stand with the international community in defending this right."

- Ted
"A fetus is its own, unique creature--not a part of a woman's body."

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Postby Bananaistan » Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:56 am

United Massachusetts wrote:
Bananaistan wrote:"As always, the People's Republic of Bananaistan stands opposed to any attempt to repeal Reproductive Freedoms. We are pleased to continue to be in favour of the unrestricted rights of women to decide what, how, when, why and where their bodies are used and we shall proudly stand with the international community in defending this right."

- Ted
"A fetus is its own, unique creature--not a part of a woman's body."


"So what? That bears no relation to my comment."

- Ted
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Postby United Massachusetts » Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:59 am

Bananaistan wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:"A fetus is its own, unique creature--not a part of a woman's body."


"So what? That bears no relation to my comment."

- Ted

"Of course it does. If a fetus isn't a woman's body to control, but is its own living human with its own genetic code and organs--which it is, I might add--your whole argument falls apart.

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Postby Keremistan » Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:09 am

Dobrobyt wrote:World Assembly members,
RECOGNIZING that current laws on abortion do not protect the future human lives of newborns in many countries, many of who are victims of lack of responsibility by parents.

REALIZING that the current bill does very little to reduce unnecessary abortions, however that it protects the right to choose in a life-threatening situations or fatal conditions.

SHOCKED that the current bill allows the killing of the living in the womb.

REALIZING that there are more moral alternatives to the current bill that can be worked out to satisfy both the parent and protect the child being born.

ACKNOWLEDGING that there are other options that can be worked out in the case of many abortions(adoptions, for example).

SEEING that an individual controls her body.

However, SEEING that it is immoral and wrong that an individual decides the fate(life or death) of another individual, even a future one, as that is prevention of life or future life.

Yet, ACKNOWLEDGING that these options are questionable in certain life-threatening or dangerous situations, and that these rights will be worked out by the World Assembly to remain.

AGREEING that we, the World Assembly, will work on a more moral, benefiting and sustainable replacement for Resolution #286.

I present you, the Repeal of Reproductive Freedoms(GA#286).
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I understand this is one hard bill to repeal, which is why this requires you to help out as well. This bill would repeal the current one, and we could work out a replacement(does not have to be the draft I posted earlier) after that is done, as the WA.


Keremistan Imperial Office of World Assembly Affairs declares that the Keremistanian delegation in WA will unanimously support this repeal and is willing to contribute for creating a replacement.

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Postby Bananaistan » Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:10 am

United Massachusetts wrote:
Bananaistan wrote:
"So what? That bears no relation to my comment."

- Ted

"Of course it does. If a fetus isn't a woman's body to control, but is its own living human with its own genetic code and organs--which it is, I might add--your whole argument falls apart.


"Nah. I'm still not seeing the link. Woman have the right to decide how their body is used and by whom. Just because you think the fetus is "its own living human with its own genetic code and organs" does not suddenly give it the right to stop the mother from dictating her own bodily sovereignty."

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Postby United Massachusetts » Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:20 am

Bananaistan wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote: "Of course it does. If a fetus isn't a woman's body to control, but is its own living human with its own genetic code and organs--which it is, I might add--your whole argument falls apart.


"Nah. I'm still not seeing the link. Woman have the right to decide how their body is used and by whom. Just because you think the fetus is "its own living human with its own genetic code and organs" does not suddenly give it the right to stop the mother from dictating her own bodily sovereignty."

- Ted
We reject the claim that the right to kill a living human being independent of a mother is somehow a part of "bodily sovereignty".

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Postby Rotovia- » Mon Aug 07, 2017 3:13 am

"The Commonwealth has no desire for the World Assembly to expand its already vast mandate into defining morality, even if we weren't fundamentally opposed repeal in principle"

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Postby United Massachusetts » Mon Aug 07, 2017 3:39 am

Rotovia- wrote:"The Commonwealth has no desire for the World Assembly to expand its already vast mandate into defining morality, even if we weren't fundamentally opposed repeal in principle"

Exactly. Reproductive Freedoms effectively legislates the morality of abortion into law. It's why this ought to be decided by individual nations

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Postby Christian Democrats » Mon Aug 07, 2017 3:43 am

We support any and every attempt to repeal so-called "Reproductive Freedoms."
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

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#360: Electile Dysfunction
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Postby Rotovia- » Mon Aug 07, 2017 3:44 am

United Massachusetts wrote:
Rotovia- wrote:"The Commonwealth has no desire for the World Assembly to expand its already vast mandate into defining morality, even if we weren't fundamentally opposed repeal in principle"

Exactly. Reproductive Freedoms effectively legislates the morality of abortion into law. It's why this ought to be decided by individual nations

The legality into law, as we do with all medical legislation.

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