[DRAFT] Education for Mentally Disabled Children (bumped)

[Bakhton]

Lara Qzu leans over and whispers, "Is this the official replacement? If not can it be?"

If you look at the dates of the documents, you'll notice that the one being voted on right now, appeared only recently and out of the blue. This one's been in drafting for a long time (OOC: This particular incarnation for over a month, and that's not counting the earlier version in its own thread.) Also, the one at vote right now seems to concern only physical disabilities - even if such were caused by some kind of mental disability - while this one concentrates on learning difficulties caused by mental disabilities.

OOC: In other words, it's hardly a replacement, when it existed first and legislates on a different category of disability.

"Well I support this one, regardless."

[Araraukar]

"Well I support this one, regardless."

Thank you for your support.

[Araraukar]

OOC: Version 4.5 submitted for a trial run (without campaign).

[States of Glory WA Office]

OOC: Version 4.5 submitted for a trial run (without campaign).

OOC: Knowing my luck, it'll reach quorum within a day.

[Separatist Peoples]

"We remain opposed to this policy. That said, we nonetheless wish the proposing author the best of luck."

[Christian Democrats]

OOC: Version 4.5 submitted for a trial run (without campaign).

OOC: I've changed my GenSec vote from Legal to Illegal based on the passage of Resolution 404.

[Araraukar]

OOC: I've changed my GenSec vote from Legal to Illegal based on the passage of Resolution 404.

OOC: I did ask beforehand.

EDIT: The author of the newly-passed thing certainly seems to think mine a legal submission, based on the TG I got.

[Thyerata]

Well we could lodge a legality challenge just to make sure....

[Thyerata]

1. Defines, for the purposes of this resolution;

1. "mentally challenged student" as a person under the age of majority, who has been evaluated by medical professionals specialized in mental disabilities to have trouble with the attention, communication and understanding required to attend regular basic education,
2. "severely mentally challenged student" as a person under the age of majority, who has been evaluated by medical professionals specialized in mental disabilities to have severe trouble with the attention, communication and understanding required to attend regular basic education,

Since this is an unaltered rehashing of TNEO's original resolution, and since we took exception to the definitions clause there, we see no reason to change our stance...

For RL reasons, I'm very uncomfortable with that definition. I'm autistic (albeit very midly) which can lead to difficulty with attention and communication (see, for example AD/HD, where people can struggle greatly with their attention and communication skills), and if that definition were true, it would mean that I have a "mental disability". I might have a disability, but it's not mental. I strenuously object to a classification that would classify autistic people with those who are truly mentally ill, such as the insane. Additionally, autistic people have difficulty with communication, we can and do - sometimes with quite a lot of support - succeed in education.

For IC purposes, and because of my RL concerns, we are opposed. We would suggest that the author write in some examples of what disabilities would fall under "mentally challenged" or "severely mentally challenged"

On a cursory reading of the current draft, we see that not much has changed from the last draft of clause 1, since clause 1(d) seems to reproduce clause 1(a) in the original. Still opposed.

[Araraukar]

OOC: Knowing my luck, it'll reach quorum within a day.

OOC: Unlikely for it to reach quorum at all, it currently has about a third of approvals needed. If it makes it to vote, then yeay, but if it doesn't, then I know I'll have to do a proper campaign.

Well we could lodge a legality challenge just to make sure....

OOC: If you want to. It's currently sitting at 3-1 legal, with 2 GenSec members not having marked it either way. EDIT: Make that 4-1 for it being legal, now.

On a cursory reading of the current draft, we see that not much has changed from the last draft of clause 1, since clause 1(d) seems to reproduce clause 1(a) in the original. Still opposed.

OOC too: If you can't be bothered to comment on the current draft and instead just re-post something you said on an earlier one, I don't see how it's useful for anyone. And if you actually read the new definitions, rather than just glancing at them, you'd see that it (still) doesn't do what you think it does.

The new definitions make it clear that this is about learning issues caused by mental disabilities as decided by your nation's specialists. As well as listing the learning challenges faced by these children, and then specifying the difference in severity depending on how many learning challenges a child is having trouble with.

As for whether you would count as mentally disabled; if your nation's specialists consider you mentally disabled, then you are mentally disabled. This resolution works on from there, but if and only if your disability causes you trouble with learning. If you are not mentally disabled, this does not affect you.

tl;dr: If your nation considers you legally to be mentally disabled, then this may apply to you. If not, then not.

[Fauxia]

"What if the nation does not have public schools?"

[Imperium Anglorum]

"What if the nation does not have public schools?"

Interesting that the proposal doesn't apply to public schools, but rather, to schools in general (with explicit provision for homeschooling). Also, any self-respecting nation should have public schools. Where would civilisation be without Harrow?

[Thyerata]

"What if the nation does not have public schools?"

Interesting that the proposal doesn't apply to public schools, but rather, to schools in general (with explicit provision for homeschooling). Also, any self-respecting nation should have public schools. Where would civilisation be without Harrow?

In a much better place. I came from a comprehensive, and now I'm one of Thyerata's top diplomats, Matthew says smugly

[Imperium Anglorum]

In a much better place. I came from a comprehensive, and now I'm one of Thyerata's top diplomats, Matthew says smugly

Peachby: To quote a great Prime Minister, '[With conscription,] We'd give them a comprehensive education, to make up for their comprehensive education'.

[States of Glory WA Office]

Where would civilisation be without Harrow?

Neville: For one, football, also known as association football or "soccer"... (spits) ...would be entirely different.

[Fauxia]

"What if the nation does not have public schools?"

Interesting that the proposal doesn't apply to public schools, but rather, to schools in general (with explicit provision for homeschooling). Also, any self-respecting nation should have public schools. Where would civilisation be without Harrow?

"This is correct."

[Excidium Planetis]

"I congratulate the nation of Araraukar for finally joining the World Assembly." Ambassador Blackbourne says.

[Fauxia]

"I congratulate the nation of Araraukar for finally joining the World Assembly." Ambassador Blackbourne says.

"I send my condolences to the nation of Araraukar for getting wrapped up in this bureaucracy."

[Excidium Planetis]

"I congratulate the nation of Araraukar for finally joining the World Assembly." Ambassador Blackbourne says.

"I send my condolences to the nation of Araraukar for getting wrapped up in this bureaucracy."

"If my memory serves, Araraukar embraces bureaucracy." Blackbourne replies. "They even have the Araraukarian Bureaucratic Corps, some sort of embodiment of unnecessary agencies, I believe."

[Araraukar]

OOC: Thank you everyone who approved the proposal. I got to about 60% of approvals needed without campaigning. I'll give it another go after my trip, with proper campaign.

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"I congratulate the nation of Araraukar for finally joining the World Assembly." Ambassador Blackbourne says.

OOC: It hasn't. The status change was just so I could submit proposals. Which reminds me... *resigns* I don't have the time for a proper campaign before going on a holiday trip next week, so might as well move the status back to PPU meanwhile.

"If my memory serves, Araraukar embraces bureaucracy." Blackbourne replies. "They even have the Araraukarian Bureaucratic Corps, some sort of embodiment of unnecessary agencies, I believe."

IC: No such thing as an unnecessary agency. Bureaucracy is what keeps the nation stable and working.

[Bananaistan]

OOC: In clauses 4 and 5 you use the more acceptable term "children with mental disabilities". Would it be possible to also use that terminology in the other clauses?

[Araraukar]

OOC: In clauses 4 and 5 you use the more acceptable term "children with mental disabilities". Would it be possible to also use that terminology in the other clauses?

OOC: 4 and 5 use that as a catch-all phrase to encompass both of the 1.d. and 1.e. definitions. However, since each of those definitions is dealt with differently when it comes to actual schools, it's not workable to use the catch-all term for the specifics.

[Excidium Planetis]

OOC: It hasn't. The status change was just so I could submit proposals. Which reminds me... *resigns* I don't have the time for a proper campaign before going on a holiday trip next week, so might as well move the status back to PPU meanwhile.

OOC:
In that case, how do you intend to explain how Janis was able to submit this proposal?

[Araraukar]

OOC: In that case, how do you intend to explain how Janis was able to submit this proposal?

OOC: She didn't. I did.

[Excidium Planetis]

OOC: In that case, how do you intend to explain how Janis was able to submit this proposal?

OOC: She didn't. I did.

OOC:
So who will address IC criticism of the proposal? Who is the author? Which nation is submitting this to the World Assembly?