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Do you think the world assembly should ban school uniforms for all member states

Poll ended at Mon May 08, 2017 12:37 am

Yes
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18%
No
18
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Total votes : 22

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Seritene
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School uniforms

Postby Seritene » Sun May 07, 2017 12:37 am

Here is my Libertarian arguement against school uniforms and why they should be banned at the world assembly.

"I believe it's very likely that forcing kids to dress alike will only help create more followers than leaders. If you become accustomed to being told what to do, then how do you handle it when you finally graduate and you're placed in an environment where you're not told what to do?"

"If everyone wears the same clothes, that doesn't transform individual students into wonderful community members with like minds and spirit. There needs to be more at work to create such "oneness," and it takes years to build such a culture"

"Punishing free expression by everyone because of the actions of a few is a bad precedence. It's not what freedom is all about."

"Implementing a school uniform program by itself reinforces the idea that simply changing what students wear will make a difference in their behavior. It's a type of "preventive law." A restriction that is supposed to stop some undesirable behavior."

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Covenstone
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Postby Covenstone » Sun May 07, 2017 4:32 am

Seritene wrote:Here is my Libertarian arguement against school uniforms and why they should be banned at the world assembly.

"I believe it's very likely that forcing kids to dress alike will only help create more followers than leaders. If you become accustomed to being told what to do, then how do you handle it when you finally graduate and you're placed in an environment where you're not told what to do?"

"If everyone wears the same clothes, that doesn't transform individual students into wonderful community members with like minds and spirit. There needs to be more at work to create such "oneness," and it takes years to build such a culture"

"Punishing free expression by everyone because of the actions of a few is a bad precedence. It's not what freedom is all about."

"Implementing a school uniform program by itself reinforces the idea that simply changing what students wear will make a difference in their behavior. It's a type of "preventive law." A restriction that is supposed to stop some undesirable behavior."


If you allow people to wear whatever they want, several studies (in our nation at least) have shown students pay more attention to their clothes than to what they are learning. It also gives some of the less nice students reasons to pick on the poorer students because they can't afford the latest fashions and latest trends, and so come to school in 'last year's' clothes, and get mocked for it.

If everyone is required to dress the same, this doesn't happen. Students do not pay attention to what they are wearing, and do not get to pick on other students for what they are wearing.

We believe education should be about education, not about fashion.
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Shemlia
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Postby Shemlia » Sun May 07, 2017 4:34 am

I believe schools can decide, i am against school uniform, but i still think it shouldn't be completely banned.

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Postby The Greater Siriusian Domain » Sun May 07, 2017 5:24 am

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Postby Grays Harbor » Sun May 07, 2017 9:15 am

As they obviously can't be bothered with posting the proposal they already submitted:

General Assembly Proposal
ID: seritene_1494171396

Ban School Uniforms For All WA Member States

A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.

Category: Human Rights

Strength: Strong

Proposed by: Seritene

School uniforms are incredibly outdated and unmodern. They restrict students ability to express themselves, are a financial burden for families and this assembly would put this 1950s tradition where it belongs, in the history books. Students that have to wear school uniforms are slaves to society and have fewer freedoms as a result. For the sake of the rights of kids everywhere to freely dress how they wish and for parents to be saved severe financial burden and hardship, this assembly would completely and totally abolish this demeaning, outdated and human rights abusing institution. Here is a further argument for abolishing school uniforms throughout the world assembly

Many countries in our assembly believe that it's very likely that forcing kids to dress alike will only help create more followers than leaders. If a child becomes accustomed to being told what to do, then how does a child handle it when him or her finally graduates and is placed in an environment where him or her is not told what to do?

If everyone wears the same clothes, that doesn't transform individual students into wonderful community members with like minds and spirit. There needs to be more at work to create such more oneness and it takes years to build such a culture

Punishing the ability to dress freely for everyone because of the actions of a few is a bad precedence. It's not what freedom is all about.

Implementing a school uniform program by itself reinforces the idea that simply changing what students wear will make a difference in their behaviour. It's a type of preventive action. A restriction that is supposed to stop some undesirable behaviour."

This assembly would advise all nations to stop abandon all school uniform programs
This assembly would help nations fix social and economic problems without having to resort to school uniforms
This assembly would suggest all wealthy nations give 0.1 percent of their gdp to the clothing and fashion industries that have suffered from uniform policies.

Yours sincerely,

The Republic of Seretine


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Postby Grays Harbor » Sun May 07, 2017 9:23 am

If everyone wears the same clothes, that doesn't transform individual students into wonderful community members with like minds and spirit. There needs to be more at work to create such more oneness and it takes years to build such a culture


So ... if everybody dresses alike it doesn't give them the "freedom" to all think alike? :blink:
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Postby Coronational Chechyans and affiliates » Sun May 07, 2017 10:25 am

Funny how you state this is your libertarian argument and then at the bottom of the article state that you think the government should give a subsidy to the fashion industry. The government picking winners and losers is the opposite of libertarian thinking.

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The New European Order
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Postby The New European Order » Sun May 07, 2017 11:49 am

OOC: Welcome to the GA!

I see you have a bit of an idea of how to draft proposals, but I think you may need some more help. Check out the Rules of drafting and stuff here,

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=159348

You can view previously passed legislature for ideas on format, and other attributes here,

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30
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Postby Araraukar » Sun May 07, 2017 4:32 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:Right now I'll just go with the bloody obvious, illegal for Branding.

OOC: In addition to the bloody obvious, it also suffers from format failure (it's written as a letter or essay or blog rather than law) and uses conditional language (would) in place of active clauses, so I think that's a "no active clause" violation as well.
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Postby Essu Beti » Sun May 07, 2017 6:40 pm

"I would love to know how something as minor as uniforms can turn someone into a slave to society. I mean seriously the people in my country aren't nearly so weak-minded as to be cowed by something as like that."

"On a more practical note, there is no way in the five hells we're going to be spending money to subsidize the fashion industry. There are far more important things to worry about."
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Postby KrakenCo » Sun May 07, 2017 9:28 pm

Frisbeeteria wrote:Category: Human Rights?
Strength: Strong?

I'm sure this is right up there with removing slavery and banning genocide.


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Postby Essu Beti » Sun May 07, 2017 9:47 pm

Frisbeeteria wrote:Category: Human Rights?
Strength: Strong?

I'm sure this is right up there with removing slavery and banning genocide.

"I know, right? Clearly the only thing stopping world peace from becoming a reality is those darned school uniforms!"

KrakenCo wrote:lol :clap:

"Do you have anything constructive to say or is that it?"

"Anyway, they've already submitted it and it's already been declared illegal so we're probably beating a dead horse here, not that it really matters."
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Postby Bears Armed » Mon May 08, 2017 10:13 am

Essu Beti wrote:"Anyway, they've already submitted it and it's already been declared illegal"

OOC: Four times, with only slight changes between the drafts, so far... >:(
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Mon May 08, 2017 10:35 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Essu Beti wrote:"Anyway, they've already submitted it and it's already been declared illegal"

OOC: Four times, with only slight changes between the drafts, so far... >:(


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Postby Bears Armed » Mon May 08, 2017 10:38 am

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:OOC: Four times, with only slight changes between the drafts, so far... >:(


To the author: please post your next draft here before submitting it again! This process is a marathon, not a sprint. Remember you are writing the legal text of international law, not a blog to convince people to support your viewpoint.

They just sent me a TG asking how they could make the proposal legal: I've directed them back to here.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon May 08, 2017 12:11 pm

Bears Armed wrote:
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
To the author: please post your next draft here before submitting it again! This process is a marathon, not a sprint. Remember you are writing the legal text of international law, not a blog to convince people to support your viewpoint.

They just sent me a TG asking how they could make the proposal legal: I've directed them back to here.

Didn't work. It has been resubmitted with no changes, including the branding, that I can see.
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Postby The New European Order » Tue May 09, 2017 11:37 am

Grays Harbor wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:They just sent me a TG asking how they could make the proposal legal: I've directed them back to here.

Didn't work. It has been resubmitted with no changes, including the branding, that I can see.

I saw. This is the stuff that metaphorically greys my hair.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Tue May 09, 2017 11:42 am

The New European Order wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:Didn't work. It has been resubmitted with no changes, including the branding, that I can see.

I saw. This is the stuff that metaphorically greys my hair.

Watch it there, cowboy. I'm the only Grays around these here parts.
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Postby The New European Order » Thu May 11, 2017 5:03 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:
The New European Order wrote:I saw. This is the stuff that metaphorically greys my hair.

Watch it there, cowboy. I'm the only Grays around these here parts.

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Avi
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Postby Avi » Sun May 14, 2017 1:18 pm

We hate school uniforms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come to Avi and enjoy our nation <img

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Seritene
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Postby Seritene » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:06 am

I would like to retract my comments about subsidising the fashion industry, I have changed my mind on this issue and I think fashion works best when there is innovation and competition.
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