[DRAFT] The Mentally Challenged Students Act

[The New European Order]

Could I get my question answered? Does this affect public school only or would it affect private education as well?

Oh, I apologize for the inconvenience. Despite how "Private" Private Schools may be, they still have to follow government regulations, the only thing that differs is the curriculum taught, and the students and teachers that are accepted. (Plus... Tuition.) All of these clauses still apply to private schools.

[Wealthatonia]

Could I get my question answered? Does this affect public school only or would it affect private education as well?

Oh, I apologize for the inconvenience. Despite how "Private" Private Schools may be, they still have to follow government regulations, the only thing that differs is the curriculum taught, and the students and teachers that are accepted. (Plus... Tuition.) All of these clauses still apply to private schools.

Ambassador, in Wealthatonia, the government doesn't really have requirements for private education, all we ask is that they teach mathematics, history, grammar and science at the least. It's up to the school to decide who they want.

Would this act impact private schools in such a way to make us require this? We really don't help with tuition also.

[The New European Order]

Oh, I apologize for the inconvenience. Despite how "Private" Private Schools may be, they still have to follow government regulations, the only thing that differs is the curriculum taught, and the students and teachers that are accepted. (Plus... Tuition.) All of these clauses still apply to private schools.

Ambassador, in Wealthatonia, the government doesn't really have requirements for private education, all we ask is that they teach mathematics, history, grammar and science at the least. It's up to the school to decide who they want.

Would this act impact private schools in such a way to make us require this? We really don't help with tuition also.

Well, is you ask that they teach mathematics, history, grammar, and science, you can ask them to accommodate with mentally handicapped, too, I suppose.

[Araraukar]

Would this act impact private schools in such a way to make us require this? We really don't help with tuition also.

OOC: It says "requires" so it requires, yes.

I think that without specific examples of each type of disability, the definitions can be read too broadly (going back to my point on autism).

OOC: Point is, if the medical specialists thought you needed extra help to deal with school, you'd get extra help. If they figured that your case was so mild that you didn't, you wouldn't. Surely you'd want extra help, if you needed it?

I'm against any "specific examples" being added because then it easily slides into the underwear category of micromanagement.

OOC EDIT: Also, this:

I might have a disability, but it's not mental. I strenuously object to a classification that would classify autistic people with those who are truly mentally ill, such as the insane.

Is far more insulting than putting autism, which is a "pervasive neurological disorder" aka "mind-affecting (mental) disorder", in with the rest of the developmental disorders. I myself am "mentally ill", with depression and anxiety, yet, while I might jokingly refer to myself as insane, I'd probably thwap you if we were face to face and you called me insane because of it.

The word "mental" is not the slang-use of mental (aka "mad") in the draft, but rather it refers to any cognitive abilities -impairing disorders. Reason I didn't use that wording in the rewrite is because larger part of the WA voters will understand "mental" than would understand "cognitive".

Most edits because of spelling...

[Wealthatonia]

Ambassador, in Wealthatonia, the government doesn't really have requirements for private education, all we ask is that they teach mathematics, history, grammar and science at the least. It's up to the school to decide who they want.

Would this act impact private schools in such a way to make us require this? We really don't help with tuition also.

Well, is you ask that they teach mathematics, history, grammar, and science, you can ask them to accommodate with mentally handicapped, too, I suppose.

Like I said though, we don't mandate that the schools accomodate anyone or that they should do this, like, I feel very neutral on this subject. If we have to make a public school in the capital to meet this standard, i'm sure we'd make one so that we were following the resolution.

[Bears Armed]

I feel the need to disagree with you on this. Blindness and insanity are conditions, as well as concepts. Autism is a specific case of developmental disabilities ranging on a wide spectrum. It would classify under rl reference.

OOC
Speaking only for myself, rather than for the Secretariat aa a whole, I would probably accept "autism" as a legal term: It is primarily terms that refer to specific RL individuals, such as "Asperger's Syndrome", to whose use I would object.

[Araraukar]

If we have to make a public school in the capital to meet this standard, i'm sure we'd make one so that we were following the resolution.

Both categories of disability have a choice of "as a separate class", so that sounds like a good approach for compliance.

[Thyerata]

I feel the need to disagree with you on this. Blindness and insanity are conditions, as well as concepts. Autism is a specific case of developmental disabilities ranging on a wide spectrum. It would classify under rl reference.

OOC
Speaking only for myself, rather than for the Secretariat aa a whole, I would probably accept "autism" as a legal term: It is primarily terms that refer to specific RL individuals, such as "Asperger's Syndrome", to whose use I would object.

OOC: I agree with Bears here. In previous versions of the DSM, each individual variant of autism (Asperger syndrome, classic autism, PDD-NOS for example) had its own diagnostic criteria. Indeed, autism can also be referred to as the autistic spectrum, and the DSM-V has done this, by collating each variant of autism under the generic "autistic spectrum condition". It's why I despise the DSM nowadays.

[The New European Order]

OOC: Bump for final comments before submission

[Garnata]

Mind if I point out one thing? You might want to specify if this applies to all levels of education (ex: from primary to university) or if this is only until a certain level education (ex: until graduation from high school). If left ambiguous, people will exploit it by only providing it for one level of education.

[The New European Order]

Mind if I point out one thing? You might want to specify if this applies to all levels of education (ex: from primary to university) or if this is only until a certain level education (ex: until graduation from high school). If left ambiguous, people will exploit it by only providing it for one level of education.

OOC: Cool, thanks Garnata. Didn't think about that.

[Araraukar]

Mind if I point out one thing? You might want to specify if this applies to all levels of education (ex: from primary to university) or if this is only until a certain level education (ex: until graduation from high school). If left ambiguous, people will exploit it by only providing it for one level of education.

OOC: Thing is, different nations have different school systems, even in Real Life (we don't have highschools, for example, but we have the gymnasium (lukio) between 9 years of grade school and university or polytechnic, or alternatively trade school after grade school and then university or polytechnic), not to mention the 27k WA ones that aren't restricted to a single species either. There is a resolution about "basic education", this one is basically meant to complement that.

[The New European Order]

OOC: Bump please

[Araraukar]

OOC: Bump please

OOC: Just so you know, in your absence I went ahead with drafting it, like we agreed via TGs (and this was confirmed by mods back then), so how do you want to handle this?

[The New European Order]

OOC: Bump please

OOC: Just so you know, in your absence I went ahead with drafting it, like we agreed via TGs (and this was confirmed by mods back then), so how do you want to handle this?

OOC: Interesting... I don't know. I was the original author, but then when I ceased to exist, the rights got sold to you, but now I'm back. I think its all down to who could use the credit more, I suppose?

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: Just so you know, in your absence I went ahead with drafting it, like we agreed via TGs (and this was confirmed by mods back then), so how do you want to handle this?

OOC: Interesting... I don't know. I was the original author, but then when I ceased to exist, the rights got sold to you, but now I'm back. I think its all down to who could use the credit more, I suppose?

OOC: who could use the credit more? You authorized Ara to use your work. Are did, and has developed something distinct. You're not going to be able to take it back now. Classic equitable estoppel. Ara doesn't need to give any consideration to your desire for recognition.

[The New European Order]

OOC: Interesting... I don't know. I was the original author, but then when I ceased to exist, the rights got sold to you, but now I'm back. I think its all down to who could use the credit more, I suppose?

OOC: who could use the credit more? You authorized Ara to use your work. Are did, and has developed something distinct. You're not going to be able to take it back now. Classic equitable estoppel. Ara doesn't need to give any consideration to your desire for recognition.

OOC: We sorted it out. I decided that ultimately, he has done more with it than I ever could, and I'm letting him keep it, (not that he had any intention of giving it back in the first place) and I'm taking my name off of coauthor because honestly, I haven't helped. I've been gone.

[Araraukar]

OOC: We sorted it out. I decided that ultimately, he has done more with it than I ever could, and I'm letting him keep it, (not that he had any intention of giving it back in the first place)

OOC: To clarify this, I never objected to you continuing this project, or being my coauthor, I just wanted to keep my more evolved draft on my name, not entirely kick you out of it. But if you choose to remove yourself from that one entirely, I'll honor your choice.

[Aclion]

OOC: who could use the credit more? You authorized Ara to use your work. Are did, and has developed something distinct. You're not going to be able to take it back now. Classic equitable estoppel. Ara doesn't need to give any consideration to your desire for recognition.

OOC: We sorted it out. I decided that ultimately, he has done more with it than I ever could, and I'm letting him keep it, (not that he had any intention of giving it back in the first place) and I'm taking my name off of coauthor because honestly, I haven't helped. I've been gone.

Do you really not want to be credited? Because I'm getting the impression that you feel like you don't have much choice in the matter.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: We sorted it out. I decided that ultimately, he has done more with it than I ever could, and I'm letting him keep it, (not that he had any intention of giving it back in the first place) and I'm taking my name off of coauthor because honestly, I haven't helped. I've been gone.

Do you really not want to be credited? Because I'm getting the impression that you feel like you don't have much choice in the matter.

Ooc: At this point, they don't.

[Araraukar]

Do you really not want to be credited? Because I'm getting the impression that you feel like you don't have much choice in the matter.

OOC: Well, I gave him choices, he made his choice voluntarily. And for the record, I quite like TNEO and I'm happy he's back in NS. ^_^

[The New European Order]

Do you really not want to be credited? Because I'm getting the impression that you feel like you don't have much choice in the matter.

OOC: Well, I gave him choices, he made his choice voluntarily. And for the record, I quite like TNEO and I'm happy he's back in NS. ^_^

OOC: Aww, well thank you. Means a lot. I quite like you too. I’m glad I’m back. Yes, I made the choice voluntarily. He’s done so much more work. I’ll come up with other projects.
IC: Smith:Well Greene, go tell an admin to shut down this committee. Our role here is done.

[Fauxia]

“Any chance you can remove the ‘the’ in the title?”

[The New European Order]

“Any chance you can remove the ‘the’ in the title?”

OOC: Its not like it matters, I’m getting the thread locked bc this Act is Araraukar’s now.