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Grays Harbor wrote:Resolution #23

Federated Kingdom wrote:

"The Albyienic delegation supports this plan wholeheartedly."

Chus Kruthe wrote:

Federated Kingdom wrote:

"The Albyienic delegation supports this plan wholeheartedly."

(Samuel Willis rises slowly to ask a question)"With all due respect Chus Kruthe would like to hear why you support this. None in our delegation can figure out any cause for supporting this legislation."

Federated Kingdom wrote:

Chus Kruthe wrote:(Samuel Willis rises slowly to ask a question)"With all due respect Chus Kruthe would like to hear why you support this. None in our delegation can figure out any cause for supporting this legislation."

"As the last slavery-dedicated storefront has not been active in two months, new solutions to promote the slaving market when it comes to the global economy are always required."

Chus Kruthe wrote:

Federated Kingdom wrote:

"As the last slavery-dedicated storefront has not been active in two months, new solutions to promote the slaving market when it comes to the global economy are always required."

"I'd remind the honorable ambassador that slavery is banned under prior resolutions in this assembly. Is the ambassador saying his nation has active slave markets in violation of international law? This delegation is gravely concerned that in spite of prior legislation member nations are still practicing slavery, and would even admit to such on the floor of this Assembly."

Federated Kingdom wrote:

Chus Kruthe wrote:"I'd remind the honorable ambassador that slavery is banned under prior resolutions in this assembly. Is the ambassador saying his nation has active slave markets in violation of international law? This delegation is gravely concerned that in spite of prior legislation member nations are still practicing slavery, and would even admit to such on the floor of this Assembly."

"We merely promote economic growth."

Chus Kruthe wrote:

Federated Kingdom wrote:

"We merely promote economic growth."

"But slavery is directly contradictory to that end goal. To boost economic growth you need consumption as well as production, when you begin to use free labor you reduce your consumption base, resulting in a useless increase in production as you lack sufficient consumption. Slavery hurts economic growth because you limit your consumption base to increase production, which except in a handful of rare scenarios, results in wasted production. Someone has to buy what you make and when you use forced free labor the number of buyers drops, not only by the number of slaves you have but also by the number of paid workers put out of work but the cheap free labor, both groups can no longer consume the produced goods. Slavery results in unsustainable and wasted production gains."

Chus Kruthe wrote:

Federated Kingdom wrote:

"The Albyienic delegation supports this plan wholeheartedly."

(Samuel Willis rises slowly to ask a question)"With all due respect Chus Kruthe would like to hear why you support this. None in our delegation can figure out any cause for supporting this legislation."

Federated Kingdom wrote:

Chus Kruthe wrote:"But slavery is directly contradictory to that end goal. To boost economic growth you need consumption as well as production, when you begin to use free labor you reduce your consumption base, resulting in a useless increase in production as you lack sufficient consumption. Slavery hurts economic growth because you limit your consumption base to increase production, which except in a handful of rare scenarios, results in wasted production. Someone has to buy what you make and when you use forced free labor the number of buyers drops, not only by the number of slaves you have but also by the number of paid workers put out of work but the cheap free labor, both groups can no longer consume the produced goods. Slavery results in unsustainable and wasted production gains."

"Slaves are consumers too."

Chus Kruthe wrote:

Federated Kingdom wrote:

"Slaves are consumers too."

"How though slaves by definition are not compensated a reasonable sum for their labor. They may get a small allowance to survive but not enough to merit consumer status, merely buying a bit of water and bread to not die does not make you consumer, not in modern economy. You must make purchases beyond the bare essentials in order to be considered a consumer under a rational modern definition."

Calladan wrote:

Chus Kruthe wrote:(Samuel Willis rises slowly to ask a question)"With all due respect Chus Kruthe would like to hear why you support this. None in our delegation can figure out any cause for supporting this legislation."

While My Tri-Arch and I do not support this in the slightest - not even a little bit - there is arguably a case that it drives down prices (people no longer need to buy food or drink or anything - they get everything from the government who could pretty much nationalise whatever they want), it would cut the price of government contracts (if we did not have to pay our workforce we would be able to put in a LOT lower bids for almost everything), it would cut down on spiralling birth rates (splitting up marries couples means less sex and fewer kids), it would introduce a whole new group of workers (if we abandoned the idiotic child labour laws), would probably fix the housing crisis (build shacks near the places they work), the public transport system (everyone sleeps at the work place) and would fix the budget crisis over night (since everyone is a slave they are not permitted to own property, money or anything else, so all of that gets sold off on the international market and the money goes to the government).

Quite honestly I think it would pretty much solve every problem a government could have - providing you could overlook your morals, ethics and general decency and humanity and be willing to live in The Quor'toth once you pass beyond the veil.

However - as I said - since My Tri-Arch, my entire government and I are not the type of people who can do that, we would never countenance such a suggestion. We find the idea appalling and offensive, and while I can give you reasons why it would be a good idea that is only because I have a VERY good imagination

Federated Kingdom wrote:

Chus Kruthe wrote:"How though slaves by definition are not compensated a reasonable sum for their labor. They may get a small allowance to survive but not enough to merit consumer status, merely buying a bit of water and bread to not die does not make you consumer, not in modern economy. You must make purchases beyond the bare essentials in order to be considered a consumer under a rational modern definition."

"The slave owner provides for their slaves, and therefore consumes on their behalf."

The Greater Siriusian Domain wrote:OOC:
Well then, write a proposal about it. At the moment, you just have a bloggy single-line request that would never pass for a legal GA proposal.

Though I'm pretty sure few people would vote for this.

Imaght Otustualvapti wrote:

The Greater Siriusian Domain wrote:OOC:
Well then, write a proposal about it. At the moment, you just have a bloggy single-line request that would never pass for a legal GA proposal.

Though I'm pretty sure few people would vote for this.

could you help me develop one I'm new at this?

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:

Grays Harbor wrote:Resolution #23

...will need repeal before any such proposal would be legal. Until then, by all means write your draft, but be forewarned that if submitted prior to the successful repeal of GAR #23, it will be held for contradiction.

Novistania wrote:W e w i l l m a k e t h e h o m e l e s s o u r s l a v e s .

This is gold.