[DEFEATED] Extrajudicial Punishment Ban

[Aclion]

I've somehow managed to overlook the defining clause. I would use the term extrajudicial punishment rather then vigilante justice if that is what your focus is.

[Wealthatonia]

I would like to remind everyone that bakhatan is most likely led by a supervillain and thus not a form of legitimate government

[Lord Dominator]

I would like to remind everyone that bakhatan is most likely led by a supervillain and thus not a form of legitimate government

"And I would to reiterate that having a government led by a Supervillian is a perfectly legitimate form of government."

[Bakhton]

I would like to remind everyone that bakhatan is most likely led by a supervillain and thus not a form of legitimate government

"We do not have a leader, we are run by a Congress. It's highly inefficient."

[Wealthatonia]

I would like to remind everyone that bakhatan is most likely led by a supervillain and thus not a form of legitimate government

"And I would to reiterate that having a government led by a Supervillian is a perfectly legitimate form of government."

villains tend to be corrupt and abuse human rights.

[Wealthatonia]

I would like to remind everyone that bakhatan is most likely led by a supervillain and thus not a form of legitimate government

"We do not have a leader, we are run by a Congress. It's highly inefficient."

SEE WHAT I MEAN! Only a super villain would want an inefficient government

[The Greater Siriusian Domain]

I would like to remind everyone that bakhatan is most likely led by a supervillain and thus not a form of legitimate government

"We do not have a leader, we are run by a Congress. It's highly inefficient."

Bat-cat: *in a low, gravely voice* "A congress of supervillains?"

Teran Saber: "How the heck did you get in here?"

Ra'lingth: "He'sss Bat-cat. What did you exsspect?"

[States of Glory WA Office]

Bat-cat: *in a low, gravely voice* "A congress of supervillains?"

Fairburn: Gah! It's Catwoman!

[Wealthatonia]

Something must be done to stop Bakhatan from its own supervilains

[Tinfect Diplomatic Enclave]

No member nation shall allow for the occurrence of vigilante justice through refusing to enact proper legal punitive measures on those who enact extrajudicial punishments on their victims.
All member nations must make vigilante justice a criminal offence subject to the sentencing of the differing jurisdictions of their respective legal systems.
Clarifies that nothing in this legislation criminalizes good bystanders interfering in criminal activity until the appropriate representatives of the law arrive to arrest the suspected individuals,

Again, Feren steps forward to begin the Imperial Statement, this being yet another matter of simple Imperial Law; "The Imperium must note that it finds it to be quite difficult to find justification for such things to quite the extent you desire. Were someone committing a criminal justifying a violent self-defense, such as attempting the act of murder themselves, or other such act of extreme violence or violation, we can hardly criminalize the self-defense of the victim simply because it resulted in the death of the criminal. Of course, we understand your intent, the legal protection of groups targeted by social discrimination, but we believe this legislation could be amended to better serve that goal. To this end, we have prepared an altered version of the final effective clause that may be of use to you."

Clarifies that nothing in this legislation criminalizes good bystanders interfering in criminal activity until the appropriate representatives of the law arrive to arrest the suspected individuals, or otherwise defending themselves or others from an individual engaged in violent criminal activity, subject to relevant national law,

With that, Seretis steps forward to close out the Imperial Statement; "As has been, hopefully, made clear, we cannot at this time support this legislation. Given specific alterations as specified previously, this situation may change. As such, we offer a conditional support, with assurances of future consideration."

[Kalata]

If you believe that the administration of justice necessary cannot involve vigilantes, this issue of vigilante justice has already been resolved. As vigilantes necessarily cannot administer justice, it is impossible for vigilante justice to exist in the first place. You may as well just talk about extrajudicial punishment.

[Calladan]

Something must be done to stop Bakhatan from its own supervilains

Wouldn't that be the textbook definition of "National Sovereignty Violation"?

[Aclion]

If you believe that the administration of justice necessary cannot involve vigilantes, this issue of vigilante justice has already been resolved. As vigilantes necessarily cannot administer justice, it is impossible for vigilante justice to exist in the first place. You may as well just talk about extrajudicial punishment.

Well that is what is being talked about, but the proposal refers to extrajudicial punishment as vigilante justice. I agree that using the term extrajudicial punishment would be preferable, both for clarity and so there is no attempt to evade the terms of the resolution in cases where the individuals are law enforcement officers.

[Covenstone]

I entirely support this proposal. Given the witch burnings that have been known to go on in Covenstone's past I think stopping vigilante or extra-judicail punishment or people being thrown on bonfires in the future would be a very good thing.

[Wealthatonia]

I entirely support this proposal. Given the witch burnings that have been known to go on in Covenstone's past I think stopping vigilante or extra-judicail punishment or people being thrown on bonfires in the future would be a very good thing.

If a super powered indivudual enacts justice, it is surely necessary.

[Covenstone]

I entirely support this proposal. Given the witch burnings that have been known to go on in Covenstone's past I think stopping vigilante or extra-judicail punishment or people being thrown on bonfires in the future would be a very good thing.

If a super powered indivudual enacts justice, it is surely necessary.

aren't Magneto, Doc-Oc, Lord Voldemort, Doctor Doom and Loki all super powered individuals who enact their version of justice against the populace?

[States of Glory WA Office]

I entirely support this proposal. Given the witch burnings that have been known to go on in Covenstone's past I think stopping vigilante or extra-judicail punishment or people being thrown on bonfires in the future would be a very good thing.

If a super powered indivudual enacts justice, it is surely necessary.

Fairburn (dressed as Batman): On the contrary, justice is only necessary when enacted by a vigilante without special powers.

[Wealthatonia]

If a super powered indivudual enacts justice, it is surely necessary.

aren't Magneto, Doc-Oc, Lord Voldemort, Doctor Doom and Loki all super powered individuals who enact their version of justice against the populace?

I don't think Magneto is a villain, he is fighting for his people to NOT be murdered.

Also, Doctor Doom is literally told he's the best hope for the future of mankind. So he's not a villain either, he does run his country pretty well

[Covenstone]

aren't Magneto, Doc-Oc, Lord Voldemort, Doctor Doom and Loki all super powered individuals who enact their version of justice against the populace?

I don't think Magneto is a villain, he is fighting for his people to NOT be murdered.

Also, Doctor Doom is literally told he's the best hope for the future of mankind. So he's not a villain either, he does run his country pretty well

did I use the word villain? i was just talking about a group of people who have super powers and enact a version of justice that some people don't like.

[Araraukar]

I don't think Magneto is a villain, he is fighting for his people to NOT be murdered.

OOC: Depends on hold old the Magneto version we're talking about is... and he's not above murdering his own people who are trying to keep him from murdering other people. Believe me, I've read the comics.

[Wealthatonia]

I don't think Magneto is a villain, he is fighting for his people to NOT be murdered.

OOC: Depends on hold old the Magneto version we're talking about is... and he's not above murdering his own people who are trying to keep him from murdering other people. Believe me, I've read the comics.

Well that's disappointing.

[Lord Dominator]

"And I would to reiterate that having a government led by a Supervillian is a perfectly legitimate form of government."

villains tend to be corrupt and abuse human rights.

"And here I was thinking that you were going to say that only a Supervillian would try to ban vigilantes. Dictators, bureaucrats, really any sapient being can be corrupt and abuse human rights. Many dictators do that all the time, without being even close to being a Supervillian."

"Regardless of how the sovereign nation of Bakhton is run, I find no reason to support this resolution. I may not have met my husband if vigilante activity was banned, plus chaos is fun to watch."

OOC: Added an image of Deedee in my sig, since she doesn't exactly look normal.
Doctor Doom doesn't entirely count, partially because he does run a country (Latveria) which he gained through popular revolution, and the current populace more or less likes him. Also, Doom's Day replaces Christmas

[Covenstone]

the slight diversion about super villains (and super people in general) aside, my people - even the ones that like burning witches - generally like to follow the rule of law. So banning vigilante justice is something we would support.

[Wealthatonia]

the slight diversion about super villains (and super people in general) aside, my people - even the ones that like burning witches - generally like to follow the rule of law. So banning vigilante justice is something we would support.

I don't think you know what you're talking about.

[Covenstone]

the slight diversion about super villains (and super people in general) aside, my people - even the ones that like burning witches - generally like to follow the rule of law. So banning vigilante justice is something we would support.

I don't think you know what you're talking about.

then explain it to me. There is nothing i enjoy more than having things explained to me.