OOC: In my opinion? No. But others may have less strict opinions.
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by Araraukar » Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:53 am
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.

by The New European Order » Thu Mar 02, 2017 3:37 am

by Grays Harbor » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:53 pm

by The New European Order » Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:53 pm

by States of Glory WA Office » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:13 pm

by The New European Order » Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:42 am
States of Glory WA Office wrote:Fairburn: Thanks to Clause One, buses can no longer prioritise the disabled and the elderly in seating while children with developmental disabilities have to be treated the same as neurotypical children in education. We refuse to support this blatantly ableist proposal.
Harold: (rapidly shakes his head and rubs his eyes) Am I seeing double or does Clause Two do the exact same thing as Clause One?
Barbera: I am more concerned about Clause Three, personally. If a nation does not wish to require foreign nationals to take a test then that is their own prerogative. The World Assembly should not force member states to establish a mandatory test for foreign nationals.
Fairburn: And another thing. Apart from Clause Four forbidding sex segregation in the military, it also forbids member states from banning gays from the military. That is indeed very commendable, I'll admit, but it doesn't go far enough, in my view. Member states are still allowed to implement 'don't ask, don't tell' policies and if we are to assume that Clause Two is the binding active clause then I have to say that the military is not covered by Clause Two so 'don't ask, don't tell' policies would be a-OK. We implore, request, recommend, demand, require and beg that the author rectify this.
Barbera: It is worth noting nonetheless that this proposal is, as it stands, very well-written and with some improvement could be a worthy successor to the Charter of Civil Rights.

by States of Glory WA Office » Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:51 pm
The New European Order wrote:States of Glory WA Office wrote:Fairburn: Thanks to Clause One, buses can no longer prioritise the disabled and the elderly in seating while children with developmental disabilities have to be treated the same as neurotypical children in education. We refuse to support this blatantly ableist proposal.
Harold: (rapidly shakes his head and rubs his eyes) Am I seeing double or does Clause Two do the exact same thing as Clause One?
Barbera: I am more concerned about Clause Three, personally. If a nation does not wish to require foreign nationals to take a test then that is their own prerogative. The World Assembly should not force member states to establish a mandatory test for foreign nationals.
Fairburn: And another thing. Apart from Clause Four forbidding sex segregation in the military, it also forbids member states from banning gays from the military. That is indeed very commendable, I'll admit, but it doesn't go far enough, in my view. Member states are still allowed to implement 'don't ask, don't tell' policies and if we are to assume that Clause Two is the binding active clause then I have to say that the military is not covered by Clause Two so 'don't ask, don't tell' policies would be a-OK. We implore, request, recommend, demand, require and beg that the author rectify this.
Barbera: It is worth noting nonetheless that this proposal is, as it stands, very well-written and with some improvement could be a worthy successor to the Charter of Civil Rights.
Wow, these are some interesting points. I will try to specify these things! Thanks for the feedback, although however, I must make an argument for clause two, which states at the beginning "Unfair and Unreasonable" discrimination is to be outlawed. This clause specifically outlaws the unnecessary discrimination in society, leaving the legislature open for the exceptions states in Article II.

by The New European Order » Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:32 am
States of Glory WA Office wrote:The New European Order wrote:Wow, these are some interesting points. I will try to specify these things! Thanks for the feedback, although however, I must make an argument for clause two, which states at the beginning "Unfair and Unreasonable" discrimination is to be outlawed. This clause specifically outlaws the unnecessary discrimination in society, leaving the legislature open for the exceptions states in Article II.
Fairburn: Except Clause One precludes those exceptions. As long as Clause One exists in its current form, all discrimination is forbidden.
Also, it's spelt 'buses', not 'busses'. You'd expect Ambassadors to have a basic sense of literacy, would you not?
Harold: I'd not. After all, the WA will allow anyone in these days.
Fairburn: Fair point. I mean, they did allow you in, so it could be worse.

by Bears Armed » Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:26 am
States of Glory WA Office wrote:Also, it's spelt 'buses', not 'busses'.

by Aclion » Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:40 am

by States of Glory WA Office » Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:50 am
Aclion wrote:OOC: is “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” not a RL reference?
The discharging of soldiers in the military based on their disclosed sexual orientation shall be prohibited by all member states.

by The New European Order » Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:45 am

by Araraukar » Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:44 pm
The New European Order wrote:I have news that the repeal for the CoCR is coming soon
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.

by The New European Order » Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:07 pm

by Araraukar » Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:39 pm
The New European Order wrote:They've lost it over there.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.

by The New European Order » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:11 am
Araraukar wrote:The New European Order wrote:They've lost it over there.
OOC: "Over there"? This is GA. If you mean the submissions list, that's fairly normal. You'll notice that all but one of them have been declared illegal by GenSec, and the last one hasn't been declared anything yet, which probably means the GenSec members haven't yet had a look at it.

by States of Glory WA Office » Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:56 pm
The New European Order wrote:Araraukar wrote:OOC: "Over there"? This is GA. If you mean the submissions list, that's fairly normal. You'll notice that all but one of them have been declared illegal by GenSec, and the last one hasn't been declared anything yet, which probably means the GenSec members haven't yet had a look at it.
OOC: Yeah, thats what I meant. I never noticed the proposal list being like that before?

by The New European Order » Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:34 am

by Araraukar » Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:07 am
), clause 4 seems to forbid multilanguage/species nations from creating military units where all the soldiers have the same language/are the same species (which, for the sake of the efficiency of the unit, would actually make more sense than having to have everything translated and don't even get me started on multispecies stuff), clause 4a is unnecessary, integrate it into the main clause (and the wording "units on the grounds" keeps making me read that as only referring to the army and not navy/air forces
), and clause 5 at least partially duplicates existing resolution(s)...Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.

by The New European Order » Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:17 am
Araraukar wrote:OOC: At a quick glance, delete the horizontal lines from the draft itself, and stop referring to clause 1 and instead use the definition in clause 1, fairly sure clause 2 in Article 1 (why does the article structure need to be used anyway? just write down enough numbers and use lists) is missing a comma between "public" and "shall", clause 3 seems to force nations to let anyone to become a citizen (which I'm sure a lot of people will protest against, cue SP), clause 4 seems to forbid multilanguage/species nations from creating military units where all the soldiers have the same language/are the same species (which, for the sake of the efficiency of the unit, would actually make more sense than having to have everything translated and don't even get me started on multispecies stuff), clause 4a is unnecessary, integrate it into the main clause (and the wording "units on the grounds" keeps making me read that as only referring to the army and not navy/air forces
), and clause 5 at least partially duplicates existing resolution(s)...
...and Article 2 makes me feel like I'm trying to learn German again. "Here are the grammar rules, and here are the fifty thousand exceptions to the rules..." I think you should work on combining these two sections by taking apart the first clause 2 into its parts.
And I only now realize that starting the list in the first clause 2 with "private employment" makes the rest read as though it also had "private" at the front. You don't really need to separate private employment from general employment if the same ban on discrimination is going to apply anyway.
Also, with all that's currently in it (which is wider-reaching than CoCR) it should probably be Strong, not Significant.

by Frisbeeteria » Sun Apr 02, 2017 1:01 pm
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