[PASSED] Repeal 'Open Internet Order'

[Libratus]

It worries me how this resolution was originally passed by a large majority and now looks set to be repealed by a large majority. Where was this first time round? These forums aren't obvious enough.

From far toward the back of the General Assembly's hall, a woman -- the Librish Ambassador to the WA -- taps her microphone twice and speaks softly, but with purpose.

“Just my two Clues: My country shares the concerns of my colleague from across the aisle. While this roller coaster ride is much in the spirit of our Musical Chairs Dictatorship, it would seem such a cycle of approval and repeals—with sizeable mandates, I might add—on a singular issue is counterproductive to the nature of an auspicious body such as this General Assembly.”

[Imperium Anglorum]

It worries me how this resolution was originally passed by a large majority and now looks set to be repealed by a large majority. Where was this first time round? These forums aren't obvious enough.

From far toward the back of the General Assembly's hall, a woman -- the Librish Ambassador to the WA -- taps her microphone twice and speaks softly, but with purpose.

“Just my two Clues: My country shares the concerns of my colleague from across the aisle. While this roller coaster ride is much in the spirit of our Musical Chairs Dictatorship, it would seem such a cycle of approval and repeals—with sizeable mandates, I might add—on a singular issue is counterproductive to the nature of an auspicious body such as this General Assembly.”

OOC: Simple solution. Don't pass bad legislation.

[Libratus]

OOC: Simple solution. Don't pass bad legislation.

OOC: Agree in principle, while humbly pointing out that "bad" is a subjective term as applied in this case, as the OIO made it past the Secretariat. No legislation that is passed by the GA is perfect by any means -- the OIO included -- but on sheer statistics alone there should, in theory, be nations out there that benefit from this iteration of the OIO.

Also pointing out an error in my previous post: I had overlooked the fact I had replied IC to an OOC post.

[Martune]

It worries me how this resolution was originally passed by a large majority and now looks set to be repealed by a large majority. Where was this first time round? These forums aren't obvious enough.

Yes, it does seem disturbing.

[Wallenburg]

OOC: Simple solution. Don't pass bad legislation.

OOC: Agree in principle, while humbly pointing out that "bad" is a subjective term as applied in this case, as the OIO made it past the Secretariat. No legislation that is passed by the GA is perfect by any means -- the OIO included -- but on sheer statistics alone there should, in theory, be nations out there that benefit from this iteration of the OIO.

Also pointing out an error in my previous post: I had overlooked the fact I had replied IC to an OOC post.

OOC: Just because a resolution is legal doesn't mean you can't make an objective observation that a piece of legislation is bad.

[Libratus]

OOC: Just because a resolution is legal doesn't mean you can't make an objective observation that a piece of legislation is bad.

OOC: I don't disagree with this either. But is it not up to individual nations to determine for themselves the "goodness" or "badness" of a piece of GA legislation, based on the individual situations of said nations? To say that a piece of legislation is universally objectively "bad" sounds a bit absolute. The merits of the OIO (or its likely repeal) aside, this situation points out a need to better educate WA members about the legislation being debated, balanced against a need to preserve the rights of said members to vote as they see fit.

For the record, I am against the repeal as the OIO does not harm the interests of Libratus in any tangible way. But I completely respect those who are for the repeal, and do not discount their justifications; in fact, I believe the justifications have merit. Instead, I am pointing out that they do not apply to all WA nations universally.

(I'll call this "relative objectivity" -- and I'll use a physics analogy here borrowed from the concept of relativity. An observer traveling at .99c relative to Earth would not see the same objective reality of Earth as someone in geosynchronous orbit. An argument could be made that the experiences of the two observers are different enough to turn something seemingly objective, like the shape of the Earth [an oblate spheroid vs. a very oblate spheriod], subjective [or if not subjective, then less objective].)

[Bears Armed]

"Unfortunately a large number of member nations do not assign people to monitor the discussions within these Halls, and therefore in some cases only become aware of the arguments against resolutions that they have recently voted to pass once those arguments are published as part of a proposed repeal..."

Artorrios o SouthWoods,
ChairBear, Bears Armed Mission at the World Assembly.


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OOC: 'Musical Chairs Dictatorship'? Love it!

[Martune]

"Unfortunately a large number of member nations do not assign people to monitor the discussions within these Halls, and therefore in some cases only become aware of the arguments against resolutions that they have recently voted to pass once those arguments are published as part of a proposed repeal..."

Artorrios o SouthWoods,
ChairBear, Bears Armed Mission at the World Assembly.


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OOC: 'Musical Chairs Dictatorship'? Love it!

"That was well spoken"

[Libratus]

"Unfortunately a large number of member nations do not assign people to monitor the discussions within these Halls, and therefore in some cases only become aware of the arguments against resolutions that they have recently voted to pass once those arguments are published as part of a proposed repeal..."

Artorrios o SouthWoods,
ChairBear, Bears Armed Mission at the World Assembly.

General Clarita leans forward, speaking again into her microphone.

“My colleague, the Mister ChairBear, has identified the root of the controversy here. I would ask all of my colleagues in this General Assembly to consider solutions to this controversy, as I'm fairly certain we would not wish for this body to become a Musical Chairs Assembly, where no resolution stands for more than a day. It's hard enough dealing with the ever-changing political landscape at home.”

OOC: This really is an issue, though. What can we, as ordinary WA members, do to promote the full reading of arguments on both sides to other WA members? I am skeptical of telegrams, as I know many dismiss those without so much as reading a word as well, but there doesn't seem to be a feasible alternative. In my short time as a member of this assembly, I've seen resolution after resolution passed without so much as a glance from the majority, only to have many of the same resolutions repealed shortly after. It's a spaghettifying cycle.

The OIO appears as though it is headed for impending repeal. On this singular issue, I accept that (and even congratulate those that sought to repeal it). The wider issue, on the other hand, does need some attention, even if that just means better using the tools available to us now. Perhaps, though, that is best suited for a separate discussion -- or even a separate resolution, if it comes to that.

"That was well spoken"

(Still) OOC: Yes, yes it was.

OOC: 'Musical Chairs Dictatorship'? Love it!

Ha! Yep, the Librish Dictator is elected daily. Some in Libratus believed it would protect against a tyrranical dictator; in practice, it has led to anarchy. Libratus is really run by its Vice Dictators (albeit with difficulty).

[Ghostopolis]

One of the staff members leaning against the outer wall smoking a cigarette coughs and sputters as a much larger and darker cloud of smoke than should appear emits from his mouth. This cloud consolidates and zooms through air vents until it bursts through a vent directly into the chamber, sending the grate clattering to the ground and startling those nearby. The cloud crashes into an ambassador in the midst of remarks, sending him flying and coughing into a row of chairs. The cloud shrinks into the shape of Ambassador Geist.

"As I predicted, this resolution has come up for a swift and well-deserved repeal. I believe in this cause and hope subsequent legislation will better address the concerns outlined in this repeal. I am also pleased to say that my region also supports this repeal, and I cast my vote accordingly. Good luck to the author of the next attempt, and I look forward to the next discussion on this subject."

[Araraukar]

OOC: This really is an issue, though. What can we, as ordinary WA members, do to promote the full reading of arguments on both sides to other WA members?

OOC: Not much, unless you're really active on a lot of the larger regions. Usually on their offsite forums at that. And even then you'd most likely only manage to affect the delegate vote of those regions where it's decided on democratically, rather than on the delegate's own whimsy.

[Thyerata]

Can I ask the Esteemed gentleman, the Ambassador for Imperium Anglorum and Delegate for Europe (yes, my home region), whether he intends to put forward a replacement, or whether there is one he could commend to us? I am disinclined to vote for something that repeals previous legislation, without there being something to replace the repealed legislation, but in better form...

[Imperium Anglorum]

I am disinclined to vote for something that repeals previous legislation, without there being something to replace the repealed legislation, but in better form...

Why?

Can I ask the Esteemed gentleman, the Ambassador for Imperium Anglorum and Delegate for Europe (yes, my home region), whether he intends to put forward a replacement, or whether there is one he could commend to us?

There is currently a replacement effort spearheaded by Draconae on this board.

[Unoriginalia]

It worries me how this resolution was originally passed by a large majority and now looks set to be repealed by a large majority. Where was this first time round? These forums aren't obvious enough.

It helps if you imagine most rulers as Ralph from The Simpsons.

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/66887835.jpg

Also, none of this real, so anyone can frame an argument in any way they choose and without evidence and repercussions to examine, people bend to the rhetoric.

[Kitzerland]

"Our delegation offers its unwavering support for this resolution. No government should be forced to allow internet to its citizens."

[Emmetz]

How about instead of repealing and then passing an additional resolution we save time by amending the existing resolution?

[Thyerata]

How about instead of repealing and then passing an additional resolution we save time by amending the existing resolution?

*throws the heavy rulebook at the ambassador who obviously hasn't bothered to read it...*

We can't, so to modify the original, we have to go the (admittedly long-winded) way of repealing the original, then enacting new legislation as a replacement. The Gnomes haven't quite figured out how to do "amendments" yet...

[Imperium Anglorum]

How about instead of repealing and then passing an additional resolution we save time by amending the existing resolution?

NORTH: Second clause from the top, sub-section (b).

[Imperium Anglorum]

The General Assembly resolution Repeal "Open Internet Order" was passed 14,459 votes to 3,232.

I will note, quite surprisingly, that Open Internet Order was repealed by 81.7 pc of the vote, while it passed with just 81.0 pc of the vote.

[Free Niedersachsen]

Ambassador Wilfried Bergius, late of course as the resolution already passed on the floor, walks in to the now emptying office. He turns towards the Ambassador of Imperium Anglorium.

"Ambassador, just wanted to extend my congratulations on the passing of a well written repeal. Of course, I voted for it. The original resolution was just so flawed, I'm glad it is gone now, haha."

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

The General Assembly resolution Repeal "Open Internet Order" was passed 14,459 votes to 3,232.

I will note, quite surprisingly, that Open Internet Order was repealed by 81.7 pc of the vote, while it passed with just 81.0 pc of the vote.

That's a swing of 162.7% if I'm not mistaken.

You should change the topic title to PASSED.

[Imperium Anglorum]

You should change the topic title to PASSED.

Done.