People who do not understand the long, complicated rules pages that you guys and the mods put out.
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by Morgantown West Virginia » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:27 pm

by Separatist Peoples » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:29 pm

by Morgantown West Virginia » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:32 pm

by Christian Democrats » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:33 pm
Morgantown West Virginia wrote:Christian Democrats wrote:The GA rules are linked on the GA submissions page, and players have to check a box affirming that they believe their proposals are legal. Likewise, the issues submissions page requires players to check boxes (also with links!) that affirm the following:The game, its admins, mods, issues editors, and GenSec members are not at fault. Most players are too lazy to read, or they're lying.
- Yes! I have read “How To Write An Issue.”
- Yes! I have read “The Got Issues? FAQ.”
- Yes! I agree to the Terms & Conditions.
It is nice that a WA Secretariat calls players he is supposed to help correct their WA resolutions lazy and/or liars.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.

by Sciongrad » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:35 pm
Morgantown West Virginia wrote:Christian Democrats wrote:The GA rules are linked on the GA submissions page, and players have to check a box affirming that they believe their proposals are legal. Likewise, the issues submissions page requires players to check boxes (also with links!) that affirm the following:The game, its admins, mods, issues editors, and GenSec members are not at fault. Most players are too lazy to read, or they're lying.
- Yes! I have read “How To Write An Issue.”
- Yes! I have read “The Got Issues? FAQ.”
- Yes! I agree to the Terms & Conditions.
It is nice that a WA Secretariat calls players he is supposed to help correct their WA resolutions lazy and/or liars.

by Morgantown West Virginia » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:35 pm
Christian Democrats wrote:Morgantown West Virginia wrote:It is nice that a WA Secretariat calls players he is supposed to help correct their WA resolutions lazy and/or liars.
My queue has more proposals than yours. It includes discards. Do you really think that any of these proposals were written with effort?Military Spending Act (International Security, Strong) [discarded]
NS nations MUST spend at least 5% of their GDP on their military in order to secure the world and protect us from being attacked by rogue states
Protect The Populations Of The World (Gun Control, Tighten)
Noting that this will anger gun users but make societies safer
Allowing many gun stores to most likely run out of business
Stating that all gun users must be properly checked such as criminal records etc.
Protecting many societies as they develop strong security
Expecting that this might be a blow to civil rights
Realizing that it is still worth the safety present in many societies
This proposal brings humanity closer to full prosperity. Though many think this might prohibit the rights of gun users, this
proposal will actually check if a gun user has the right life or record in order to own a gun.
Save millions of people by voting on this.
Better Schools, Better Future! (Education and Creativity, Educational) [discarded]
We need better funding for our children isn't that our future our children. If we increase funding then we can become a paragon to people that success comes from good funding of the education system.
Save The Trees (Environmental, Logging) [discarded]
ACKNOWLEDGING that huge logging could lose millions of dollars
REALIZING that billions of ecosystems are trampled and taken down
UNDERSTANDING that trees are our second source of life
WORRIED that dead trees could mean less soil, food, oxygen,etc.
This must stop and we must be able to protect and preserve these unacknowledged life forms.
Humanity needs trees to produce oxygen, provide shelter to many animals[some we eat]
All life forms must be protected especially if they promote the survival of humans[in this case they do]
I propose this to save the world by saving these trees.
Free Trade (Free Trade, Strong) [discarded]
Remove Barriers Between Communist and Capitalist Countries,Increasing Trade
Labor Unions (Advancement of Industry, Labor Deregulation)
Not all countries have labor unions legalized
This act will Offically make all Labor Union legal in every country
This act is important to be legalized
Sometimes workers aren't treating fairly by there Employers
If Labor Unions where legalized then the workers could be less fearful of being mistreated by there employers

by Separatist Peoples » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:36 pm
Morgantown West Virginia wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:Then they should not check the box!
Then, in your measure, anybody who does not sit there for a hour to two the read closely the long,complicated rules pages you and the mods put out, then they should propose a resolution, which would restrict the democratic process of the WA?

by Separatist Peoples » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:37 pm
Morgantown West Virginia wrote:Christian Democrats wrote:My queue has more proposals than yours. It includes discards. Do you really think that any of these proposals were written with effort?Military Spending Act (International Security, Strong) [discarded]
NS nations MUST spend at least 5% of their GDP on their military in order to secure the world and protect us from being attacked by rogue states
Protect The Populations Of The World (Gun Control, Tighten)
Noting that this will anger gun users but make societies safer
Allowing many gun stores to most likely run out of business
Stating that all gun users must be properly checked such as criminal records etc.
Protecting many societies as they develop strong security
Expecting that this might be a blow to civil rights
Realizing that it is still worth the safety present in many societies
This proposal brings humanity closer to full prosperity. Though many think this might prohibit the rights of gun users, this
proposal will actually check if a gun user has the right life or record in order to own a gun.
Save millions of people by voting on this.
Better Schools, Better Future! (Education and Creativity, Educational) [discarded]
We need better funding for our children isn't that our future our children. If we increase funding then we can become a paragon to people that success comes from good funding of the education system.
Save The Trees (Environmental, Logging) [discarded]
ACKNOWLEDGING that huge logging could lose millions of dollars
REALIZING that billions of ecosystems are trampled and taken down
UNDERSTANDING that trees are our second source of life
WORRIED that dead trees could mean less soil, food, oxygen,etc.
This must stop and we must be able to protect and preserve these unacknowledged life forms.
Humanity needs trees to produce oxygen, provide shelter to many animals[some we eat]
All life forms must be protected especially if they promote the survival of humans[in this case they do]
I propose this to save the world by saving these trees.
Free Trade (Free Trade, Strong) [discarded]
Remove Barriers Between Communist and Capitalist Countries,Increasing Trade
Labor Unions (Advancement of Industry, Labor Deregulation)
Not all countries have labor unions legalized
This act will Offically make all Labor Union legal in every country
This act is important to be legalized
Sometimes workers aren't treating fairly by there Employers
If Labor Unions where legalized then the workers could be less fearful of being mistreated by there employers
Well, then help them extend the length of their proposal, or make it legal.

by Christian Democrats » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:38 pm
Morgantown West Virginia wrote:Christian Democrats wrote:My queue has more proposals than yours. It includes discards. Do you really think that any of these proposals were written with effort?Military Spending Act (International Security, Strong) [discarded]
NS nations MUST spend at least 5% of their GDP on their military in order to secure the world and protect us from being attacked by rogue states
Protect The Populations Of The World (Gun Control, Tighten)
Noting that this will anger gun users but make societies safer
Allowing many gun stores to most likely run out of business
Stating that all gun users must be properly checked such as criminal records etc.
Protecting many societies as they develop strong security
Expecting that this might be a blow to civil rights
Realizing that it is still worth the safety present in many societies
This proposal brings humanity closer to full prosperity. Though many think this might prohibit the rights of gun users, this
proposal will actually check if a gun user has the right life or record in order to own a gun.
Save millions of people by voting on this.
Better Schools, Better Future! (Education and Creativity, Educational) [discarded]
We need better funding for our children isn't that our future our children. If we increase funding then we can become a paragon to people that success comes from good funding of the education system.
Save The Trees (Environmental, Logging) [discarded]
ACKNOWLEDGING that huge logging could lose millions of dollars
REALIZING that billions of ecosystems are trampled and taken down
UNDERSTANDING that trees are our second source of life
WORRIED that dead trees could mean less soil, food, oxygen,etc.
This must stop and we must be able to protect and preserve these unacknowledged life forms.
Humanity needs trees to produce oxygen, provide shelter to many animals[some we eat]
All life forms must be protected especially if they promote the survival of humans[in this case they do]
I propose this to save the world by saving these trees.
Free Trade (Free Trade, Strong) [discarded]
Remove Barriers Between Communist and Capitalist Countries,Increasing Trade
Labor Unions (Advancement of Industry, Labor Deregulation)
Not all countries have labor unions legalized
This act will Offically make all Labor Union legal in every country
This act is important to be legalized
Sometimes workers aren't treating fairly by there Employers
If Labor Unions where legalized then the workers could be less fearful of being mistreated by there employers
Well, then help them extend the length of their proposal, or make it legal.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.

by Morgantown West Virginia » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:40 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:Morgantown West Virginia wrote:
Then, in your measure, anybody who does not sit there for a hour to two the read closely the long,complicated rules pages you and the mods put out, then they should propose a resolution, which would restrict the democratic process of the WA?
That's no hour of reading. 20 minutes, maybe.
Look, the rules exist for a reason. We can't not enforce them, that incentivizes bad drafting.

by Morgantown West Virginia » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:41 pm
Christian Democrats wrote:Morgantown West Virginia wrote:Well, then help them extend the length of their proposal, or make it legal.
It's not my job to write other players' proposals. If you submit a proposal whose entire content is "Remove Barriers Between Communist and Capitalist Countries,Increasing Trade," you're obviously not reading the Rules, or you're lying about reading them.

by Sciongrad » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:43 pm
Morgantown West Virginia wrote:Christian Democrats wrote:It's not my job to write other players' proposals. If you submit a proposal whose entire content is "Remove Barriers Between Communist and Capitalist Countries,Increasing Trade," you're obviously not reading the Rules, or you're lying about reading them.
Another WA Secretariat calling WA members lazy and/or liars.

by Morgantown West Virginia » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:45 pm

by Sciongrad » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:49 pm

by Christian Democrats » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:49 pm
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.

by Morgantown West Virginia » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:50 pm

by Separatist Peoples » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:51 pm
Morgantown West Virginia wrote:
When it takes a hour or two to read AND understand, it is kind of hard to do that right?
Morgantown West Virginia wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:That's no hour of reading. 20 minutes, maybe.
Look, the rules exist for a reason. We can't not enforce them, that incentivizes bad drafting.
I do not get where I said for the Secretariat's not to enforce the rules, just loosen them so that more resolutions can go through without long legality challenges.

by Sciongrad » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:53 pm

by Morgantown West Virginia » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:57 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:Morgantown West Virginia wrote:
When it takes a hour or two to read AND understand, it is kind of hard to do that right?
If you want to play a game, you learn the rules first.Morgantown West Virginia wrote:
Are you suggesting the WA members are lazy and/or liars as well?
Most of them are, honestly.Morgantown West Virginia wrote:
I do not get where I said for the Secretariat's not to enforce the rules, just loosen them so that more resolutions can go through without long legality challenges.
Loosening a rule is not enforcing it! You're asking us to do a bad job. I don't do a bad job.

by Sciongrad » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:58 pm
Morgantown West Virginia wrote:1. People do not have time to sit there that long and read all these rules.

by Morgantown West Virginia » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:59 pm
Sciongrad wrote:Morgantown West Virginia wrote:1. People do not have time to sit there that long and read all these rules.
Then don't play the game. If you try to join a soccer team, get called out by the referee for breaking the rules, and then complain that no one has time to read the rules, do you think it's fair for them to bench you?

by Sciongrad » Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:00 pm
Morgantown West Virginia wrote:Sciongrad wrote:Then don't play the game. If you try to join a soccer team, get called out by the referee for breaking the rules, and then complain that no one has time to read the rules, do you think it's fair for them to bench you?
It is WAY easier to understand soccer rules than WA rules.

by Christian Democrats » Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:00 pm
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.

by Morgantown West Virginia » Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:02 pm
Christian Democrats wrote:Morgantown West Virginia wrote:When it takes a hour or two to read AND understand, it is kind of hard to do that right?
The GA Rules are about 1100 words long (excluding the detailed descriptions for the different categories). According to various studies, the average speed at which a person literate in English reads is 200-300 words per minute (wpm).
1100 words / 200 wpm = 5 minutes, 30 seconds
1100 words / 300 wpm = 3 minutes, 40 seconds
I don't want to sound like a jerk, but you might be functionally illiterate if it takes you one or two hours to read the GA Rules.

by Sciongrad » Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:03 pm
Morgantown West Virginia wrote:Christian Democrats wrote:The GA Rules are about 1100 words long (excluding the detailed descriptions for the different categories). According to various studies, the average speed at which a person literate in English reads is 200-300 words per minute (wpm).
1100 words / 200 wpm = 5 minutes, 30 seconds
1100 words / 300 wpm = 3 minutes, 40 seconds
I don't want to sound like a jerk, but you might be functionally illiterate if it takes you one or two hours to read the GA Rules.
Well reading the rules does not mean somebody does not understand the rules the first time they read it.
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