[Abandoned] The International Culture Movement (ICM)

[Frisbeeteria]

We of the World Assembly create the International Culture Movement (ICM), a week-long festival filled with the art, music, theatre, and other forms of culture expressed by various artists from around the world to create a more peaceful environment for nations worldwide.

NOTING that conflicts now appear to come from one common source; different political, religious, and cultural views.

BELIEVING that individuality must be maintained among members of the WA to create a continuously expanding society.

CONCERNED of the idea that conflict is like a weed; if we continue to let it grow, it will affect more and more members of the WA until the word ‘peace’ will become almost non-existent.

FURTHER BELIEVING that an event such as this will help promote positive social interactions that can help end conflicts peacefully and without the need for more bloodshed.

WE HEREBY:

ESTABLISH the International Culture Movement to contradict the various forms of conflict that affect many nations.

REQUIRES all nations to participate in the Movement festivities, with those nations who choose not to incorporate their culture are still required to help at as the ICM requests with the events' security, advertisement, etc;

DECLARES that no ranks will be established among nations planning and participating in the ICM. Throughout the event, all nations will be treated equally in both punishment or reward.

CALLS UPON those in conflict to hold themselves to personal cease-fires to ensure the sanctity of the ICM among artists and designers who wish to present themselves and their culture.

EXPRESSES ITS HOPE that if passed, the ICM will slowly but surely and effectively lower the rate of conflict seen among members of the WA.

So says we, the World Assembly.

Co-authored by the Borderlands of Rhovunion

We of the World Assembly create the International Culture Movement (ICM), a week-long festival filled with the art, music, theatre, and other forms of culture expressed by various artists from around the world to create a more peaceful environment for nations worldwide.

NOTING that conflicts now appear to come from one common source; different political, religious, and cultural views.

BELIEVING that individuality must be maintained among members of the WA to create a continuously expanding society.

CONCERNED of the idea that conflict is like a weed; if we continue to let it grow, it will affect more and more members of the WA until the word ‘peace’ will become almost non-existent.

FURTHER BELIEVING that an event such as this will help promote positive social interactions that can help end conflicts peacefully and without the need for more bloodshed.

WE HEREBY:

ESTABLISH the International Culture Movement to start from the 6th of April, to commemorate the original forming of the World Assembly in 2008, and end upon the 13th of the same month.

INVITES any member of the WA to participate as they wish, whether by sending acclaimed artists to present to the international public or simply spectate the event to their own choosing.

CALLS UPON those in conflict to hold themselves to personal cease-fires to ensure the sanctity of the ICM among artists and designers who wish to present themselves and their culture.

EXPRESSES ITS HOPE that if passed, the ICM will slowly but surely and effectively lower the rate of conflict seen among members of the WA.

So says we, the World Assembly.

Any suggestions or comments about the resolution are welcome to help improve it before I submit it as a proposal to the GA by one of my better nations.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: By referencing the Culture statistic, you've got another Metagaming violation. I highly suggest you read the Rules before you try another draft. I suspect you're going to continually have this problem until you do.

[Rhovunion]

OOC: By referencing the Culture statistic, you've got another Metagaming violation. I highly suggest you read the Rules before you try another draft. I suspect you're going to continually have this problem until you do.

Okay, so one problem related to Metagaming with my proposal, but not really with referencing the Culture statistic. So does it need to more RP-based instead of being a real thing? I think that was what I was initially trying to imply by accident.

[The Second Moon Rising]

The Riser delegate taps a finger on its desk as it reads and re-reads the proposal. "This one has concerns..."

a week-long event filled with the art, music, theatre, and other forms of culture from various nations and regions

"Where will this event be held? How many nations will be participating? How will nations apply to being represented?"

The event will also act as a temporary end to all hostilities between regions so anyone can attend and participate in the Movement.

"How shall these cease-fires be enforced?"

Competitions will also be used to commemorate various nations and regions on their artistic abilities until the next ICM event.

"... This one does not quite understand. There will be events continuing between events..? "

1. There will be four ICM events per year for the Spring, Summer, Fall, and Winter seasons.

"By whose definitions and calendars shall these seasons be assigned?"

2. Nations with high rankings in Culture will be asked to judge in competitions assigned by an elected MC.

"By what system shall be nations ranked in their culture? And is not culture a subjective matter? How could such a thing be ranked?"

4. There will be no discrimination on cultural portrayals, and those who do will be suspended for that season.

"What does 'discrimination on cultural portrayals' mean? And who would be suspended?"


The Riser delegate shakes its head as it sits down. "... While this one appreciates the spirit of this proposal, the concept is at least as flawed as the once-proposed International Culture Expositions that, this one sorrowfully believes, cannot be resolved on such a vast international level."

[Rhovunion]

The Riser delegate taps a finger on its desk as it reads and re-reads the proposal. "This one has concerns..."

a week-long event filled with the art, music, theatre, and other forms of culture from various nations and regions

"Where will this event be held? How many nations will be participating? How will nations apply to being represented?"

The event will also act as a temporary end to all hostilities between regions so anyone can attend and participate in the Movement.

"How shall these cease-fires be enforced?"

Competitions will also be used to commemorate various nations and regions on their artistic abilities until the next ICM event.

"... This one does not quite understand. There will be events continuing between events..? "

1. There will be four ICM events per year for the Spring, Summer, Fall, and Winter seasons.

"By whose definitions and calendars shall these seasons be assigned?"

2. Nations with high rankings in Culture will be asked to judge in competitions assigned by an elected MC.

"By what system shall be nations ranked in their culture? And is not culture a subjective matter? How could such a thing be ranked?"

4. There will be no discrimination on cultural portrayals, and those who do will be suspended for that season.

"What does 'discrimination on cultural portrayals' mean? And who would be suspended?"


The Riser delegate shakes its head as it sits down. "... While this one appreciates the spirit of this proposal, the concept is at least as flawed as the once-proposed International Culture Expositions that, this one sorrowfully believes, cannot be resolved on such a vast international level."

Thank you for your reflection. This is one of the first proposals I've written, so I'm still trying to work out the kinks to make both a legal and effective resolution. Know that I appreciate your opinion and plan to revise my proposal with your bits of feedback as best as I can. I'm also reviewing the post you suggested of the International Culture Exposition, and I can see the repeated flaws as you said. I'll look through what was said and use it to help better the ICM.

[Rhovunion]

We of the World Assembly create the International Culture Movement (ICM), a week-long festival filled with the art, music, theatre, and other forms of culture expressed by various artists from around the world to create a more peaceful environment for nations worldwide.

NOTING that conflicts now appear to come from one common source; different political, religious, and cultural views.

BELIEVING that individuality must be maintained among members of the WA to create a continuously expanding society.

CONCERNED of the idea that conflict is like a weed; if we continue to let it grow, it will affect more and more members of the WA until the word ‘peace’ will become almost non-existent.

FURTHER BELIEVING that an event such as this will help promote positive social interactions that can help end conflicts peacefully and without the need for more bloodshed.

WE HEREBY:

ESTABLISH the International Culture Movement to contradict the various forms of conflict that affect many nations.

REQUIRES all nations to participate in the Movement festivities. For those nations who choose not to incorporate their culture for personal reasons, they’ll be required to act in positions of security, advertisement, etc.

DECLARES that no ranks will be established among nations planning and participating in the ICM. Throughout the event, all nations will be treated equally in both punishment or reward.

CALLS UPON those in conflict to hold themselves to personal cease-fires to ensure the sanctity of the ICM among artists and designers who wish to present themselves and their culture.

EXPRESSES ITS HOPE that if passed, the ICM will slowly but surely and effectively lower the rate of conflict seen among members of the WA.

So says we, the World Assembly.

Co-authored by the Borderlands of Rhovunion

-Revised of legal objections and violations declared by the GA Secretariat Council and other nations-

(Open to suggestions and objections to improve the Movement to better suit the WA)

[Frisbeeteria]

Please stop creating new threads for new drafts. The convention here is to spoiler old drafts in the OP, but continue all discussion in the same thread.

The only exception for this is the [Legality Challenge] threads, which the author typically doesn't launch.

[Rhovunion]

Please stop creating new threads for new drafts. The convention here is to spoiler old drafts in the OP, but continue all discussion in the same thread.

The only exception for this is the [Legality Challenge] threads, which the author typically doesn't launch.

Then I'm guessing you moved it here, right? Thanks for that though, and I'll be sure to remember that later on.

[Sierra Lyricalia]

We of the World Assembly create the International Culture Movement (ICM), a week-long festival filled with the art, music, theatre, and other forms of culture expressed by various artists from around the world to create a more peaceful environment for nations worldwide.

NOTING that conflicts now appear to come from one common source; different political, religious, and cultural views.

BELIEVING that individuality must be maintained among members of the WA to create a continuously expanding society.

CONCERNED of the idea that conflict is like a weed; if we continue to let it grow, it will affect more and more members of the WA until the word ‘peace’ will become almost non-existent.

FURTHER BELIEVING that an event such as this will help promote positive social interactions that can help end conflicts peacefully and without the need for more bloodshed.

WE HEREBY:

ESTABLISH the International Culture Movement to contradict the various forms of conflict that affect many nations.

REQUIRES all nations to participate in the Movement festivities. For those nations who choose not to incorporate their culture for personal reasons, they’ll be required to act in positions of security, advertisement, etc.

DECLARES that no ranks will be established among nations planning and participating in the ICM. Throughout the event, all nations will be treated equally in both punishment or reward.

CALLS UPON those in conflict to hold themselves to personal cease-fires to ensure the sanctity of the ICM among artists and designers who wish to present themselves and their culture.

EXPRESSES ITS HOPE that if passed, the ICM will slowly but surely and effectively lower the rate of conflict seen among members of the WA.

So says we, the World Assembly.

Co-authored by the Borderlands of Rhovunion

-Revised of legal objections and violations declared by the GA Secretariat Council and other nations-

(Open to suggestions and objections to improve the Movement to better suit the WA)

In response to your telegram, I would say that yes, this version has removed the illegalities for which we dinged the first submission.

That does not mean it's likely to pass - requiring nations to send cultural delegations to such expositions has been unpopular in the past, and you may need to do some convincing of the electorate.

Procedural note: it's best to update your original post with the latest version - that way people who come into the thread for the first time can comment on it without having to scroll through the whole discussion looking for the current draft. You can spoiler the previous versions underneath:

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[Bears Armed]

REQUIRES all nations to participate in the Movement festivities. For those nations who choose not to incorporate their culture for personal reasons, they’ll be required to act in positions of security, advertisement, etc.

OOC: "required to act" by whom? Is the ICM actually a WA committee or agency, established to run these events, which will make the decisions about how much action is required?
Also, I'd suggest re-phrasing it as

REQUIRES all nations to participate in the Movement festivities, with those nations who choose not to incorporate their culture for personal reasons still required to help at as the ICM requests with the events' security, advertisement, etc;

.

Co-authored by the Borderlands of Rhovunion

-Revised of legal objections and violations declared by the GA Secretariat Council and other nations-

(Open to suggestions and objections to improve the Movement to better suit the WA)

OOC: if the submitted text ends at "Rhovunion", and the two lines after that are just comments in the drafting process that (as I presume is the case) won't be included in the submitted version, that would be legal.

[The Second Moon Rising]

The Riser delegate taps a finger on its desk while holding the new draft in the other hand. "... This one still has concerns."

REQUIRES all nations to participate in the Movement festivities. For those nations who choose not to incorporate their culture for personal reasons...

"There are over twenty-six thousand nations currently in the World Assembly. This would be a very, very large gathering, even if only a quarter of nations wish to display their culture. Where shall this gathering be held?"

... they’ll be required to act in positions of security...

"While security should be considered, this one would... find this course of action questionable. This one does not think it would be wise to have a security force that may include elements that have a potential to be biased and act unfairly, or even inappropriately, in certain situations."

... advertisement, etc.

"... A position of 'advertisement' and 'et cetera'..?"

CALLS UPON those in conflict to hold themselves to personal cease-fires to ensure the sanctity of the ICM among artists and designers who wish to present themselves and their culture.

"Again, this one asks how this could possibly be enforced."

Sighing, the Riser delegate puts down its copy of the draft. "Now requiring all nations to participate in some capacity or another potentially turns this, unless each nation is restricted to only having thirty-seven members of their population -- presenters, workers, AND spectators -- attend, into a gathering of millions of individuals. This one does not -wish- to fully contemplate the sanitation requirements for such a gathering, or the strain on emergency services. Or housing such a horde. Or feeding it. There is also a very high potential for violence; some nations and cultures are simply incompatible unless some form of censorship or segregation is employed, which seems counterproductive to the purpose of these events. There are species that are equally incompatible; this one has observed a few instances of barely restrained predator-prey responses just among the delegates of this body -- how would less restrained individuals respond when faced with what is typically a light snack wandering among the crowds in this gathering?" It shakes its head as it sits down. "... Mournfully, this one still sees the proposal as impossible and flawed."

[Araraukar]

Also, I'd suggest re-phrasing it as

REQUIRES all nations to participate in the Movement festivities, with those nations who choose not to incorporate their culture for personal reasons still required to help at as the ICM requests with the events' security, advertisement, etc;

.

OOC: Actually, "for personal reasons" makes little sense, and seems to refer to the players of the game rather than their in-character nations.

Other than that, I agree with Second Moon Rising on the impracticality of it all.

[Rhovunion]

The Riser delegate taps a finger on its desk while holding the new draft in the other hand. "... This one still has concerns."

"There are over twenty-six thousand nations currently in the World Assembly. This would be a very, very large gathering, even if only a quarter of nations wish to display their culture. Where shall this gathering be held?"
I would honestly like to post a new Forum either under 'National and International Roleplaying' or the 'World Assemply, but I'm leaning towards the first. Inside, there can be topics based on music, art, story-telling, etc. where nations can contribute what they have about their country. The problem is I don't know how to word it so nations know where to put it, but doesn't create a violation like a Real-World Reference.

"While security should be considered, this one would... find this course of action questionable. This one does not think it would be wise to have a security force that may include elements that have a potential to be biased and act unfairly, or even inappropriately, in certain situations."
I may have been over thinking when I said "security force'. This can basically be just a group of nations who look through the topics, find posts with crude intent such as political or religious discrimination, and report it to a Mod if it gets out of hand. In the end, the Mod will decide the course of action for punishment while the "security force" will just be observers.

"... A position of 'advertisement' and 'et cetera'..?"
Like convincing nations within their region to join in on the festivities or inviting people to certain topics to show off special songs or pieces of art. The only objections I would have would be to not spam other nations or Forums, it's rude and they'll probably be talked-to by a Mod.

CALLS UPON those in conflict to hold themselves to personal cease-fires to ensure the sanctity of the ICM among artists and designers who wish to present themselves and their culture.

"Again, this one asks how this could possibly be enforced."
This goes back to the previous statement on the security force. The only problem is these cease-fires will be contained only in the Forum, and anything that happens otherwise would not be in our jurisdiction. I don't have much of an answer to that, unfortunately.

Sighing, the Riser delegate puts down its copy of the draft. "Now requiring all nations to participate in some capacity or another potentially turns this, unless each nation is restricted to only having thirty-seven members of their population -- presenters, workers, AND spectators -- attend, into a gathering of millions of individuals. This one does not -wish- to fully contemplate the sanitation requirements for such a gathering, or the strain on emergency services. Or housing such a horde. Or feeding it. There is also a very high potential for violence; some nations and cultures are simply incompatible unless some form of censorship or segregation is employed, which seems counterproductive to the purpose of these events. There are species that are equally incompatible; this one has observed a few instances of barely restrained predator-prey responses just among the delegates of this body -- how would less restrained individuals respond when faced with what is typically a light snack wandering among the crowds in this gathering?" It shakes its head as it sits down. "... Mournfully, this one still sees the proposal as impossible and flawed."

That's a fair point, and I have a solution to it. The Movement will NOT be held in one sole location like the Olympics, but can be done by different regions collaborating together through their embassies to make several Movement festivals happening at once but in different locations. Also, with your note on the incompatibility of cultures, I honestly believe because of the strain in relations with regions of different cultural or religious views, some have already separated themselves into invisible groups of titles such as the Raiders, Political Workers, etc. These groups will work among themselves to form their Movement events and, in time, they will mold together into one giant cultural heritage like America's because of the hundreds of immigrants who came into the country.

I'd appreciate to hear how you think about this and if anything needs to be changed for legality or other reasons, as well as ways to maybe integrate this all into the proposal without any legality issues. You've been a big help with your feedback, and I appreciate it.

[Rhovunion]

Also, I'd suggest re-phrasing it as

REQUIRES all nations to participate in the Movement festivities, with those nations who choose not to incorporate their culture for personal reasons still required to help at as the ICM requests with the events' security, advertisement, etc;

.

OOC: Actually, "for personal reasons" makes little sense, and seems to refer to the players of the game rather than their in-character nations.

Other than that, I agree with Second Moon Rising on the impracticality of it all.

Yeah, I can see what you mean. I'm thinking of cutting that bit out so it doesn't cause confusion, but I may need something to fill it in. I'm not sure, but I'll go and cut it soon.

[Araraukar]

Also, with your note on the incompatibility of cultures, I honestly believe because of the strain in relations with regions of different cultural or religious views, some have already separated themselves into invisible groups of titles such as the Raiders, Political Workers, etc.

OOC: Second Moon posted in IC, you seem to be referring to OOC gameside things (regions, raiders). That's not what Second Moon meant.

These groups will work among themselves to form their Movement events and, in time, they will mold together into one giant cultural heritage like America's because of the hundreds of immigrants who came into the country.

I'm not sure USA is the best example to use, considering how fragmented it is, and even so, again, not what Second Moon meant.

[Rhovunion]

Also, with your note on the incompatibility of cultures, I honestly believe because of the strain in relations with regions of different cultural or religious views, some have already separated themselves into invisible groups of titles such as the Raiders, Political Workers, etc.

OOC: Second Moon posted in IC, you seem to be referring to OOC gameside things (regions, raiders). That's not what Second Moon meant.
I'm not exactly one to talk IC about this stuff. I'm trying to make this as legit as I can so that it can be implemented with Metagaming issues. If you think I need to start doing stuff like that, I'll try and see where it goes.

[Separatist Peoples]

FURTHER BELIEVING that an event such as this will help promote positive social interactions that can help end conflicts peacefully and without the need for more bloodshed.

"What if we want to settle conflicts with bloodshed? Some nations are especially good at that. Moreover, what if we don't want to meld our culture with those of other nations? C.D.S.P. culture is perfectly fine on its own. All the bits of other cultures that we've expropriated a la the Romans are serving us well in their current balance."

[The Second Moon Rising]

The Riser delegate tilts its head to one side, and then the other. Words were said that it could not understand... and it falls backwards out of its chair, twitching.

I'm not exactly one to talk IC about this stuff. I'm trying to make this as legit as I can so that it can be implemented with Metagaming issues. If you think I need to start doing stuff like that, I'll try and see where it goes.

OOC: I think (and someone who's more knowledgeable about these rules than I am can correct me if I'm wrong) that once you start getting into the area of doing things to change the Forums, involve Moderators, and bring up Roleplaying through GA resolutions, you're running afoul of Metagaming and Gameplay rules and it turns into an issue that would probably be better suited to bring up in the Technical or Gameplay forums. Also, while the World Assembly (and specifically, the General Assembly) isn't listed as a Roleplay forum, Roleplay does play a very significant part of what goes on in here -- not everyone runs their countries based on their actual beliefs, and most of us decide on proposals/resolutions on the basis of "would the people in my nation want this" and not "I personally agree with this".

[Rhovunion]

FURTHER BELIEVING that an event such as this will help promote positive social interactions that can help end conflicts peacefully and without the need for more bloodshed.

"What if we want to settle conflicts with bloodshed? Some nations are especially good at that. Moreover, what if we don't want to meld our culture with those of other nations? C.D.S.P. culture is perfectly fine on its own. All the bits of other cultures that we've expropriated a la the Romans are serving us well in their current balance."

Well, that's the point of the WA. We all have our opinions on these types of issues, and only by voting can we decide on which direction we wish to take. If the ICM gets finished, reach quorum, and gets voted into action, then that's the majority of what the WA members want. If not, then they most likely agree with you on the subject. But for now, I'd love to just say I was able to finish it and get pushed into open voting without any violations, if you know what I mean. I'll be content with whatever happens to it from there, for it will be the will of those what want it to happen.

[Rhovunion]

The Riser delegate tilts its head to one side, and then the other. Words were said that it could not understand... and it falls backwards out of its chair, twitching.

I'm not exactly one to talk IC about this stuff. I'm trying to make this as legit as I can so that it can be implemented with Metagaming issues. If you think I need to start doing stuff like that, I'll try and see where it goes.

OOC: I think (and someone who's more knowledgeable about these rules than I am can correct me if I'm wrong) that once you start getting into the area of doing things to change the Forums, involve Moderators, and bring up Roleplaying through GA resolutions, you're running afoul of Metagaming and Gameplay rules and it turns into an issue that would probably be better suited to bring up in the Technical or Gameplay forums. Also, while the World Assembly (and specifically, the General Assembly) isn't listed as a Roleplay forum, Roleplay does play a very significant part of what goes on in here -- not everyone runs their countries based on their actual beliefs, and most of us decide on proposals/resolutions on the basis of "would the people in my nation want this" and not "I personally agree with this".

You're right, and I don't want to cause a Metagaming problem. So, I have an alternative. There's already a forum based on art, music, books, etc. and if the ICM does get through and approved, then it can likely be held in there. Also, I need to invert myself more into the IC proportion of the Forums. You do a great job of it, and I'll need some time to get my thoughts in that same type of mindset of basing decisions on the people instead of myself

[The Second Moon Rising]

You're right, and I don't want to cause a Metagaming problem. So, I have an alternative. There's already a forum based on art, music, books, etc. and if the ICM does get through and approved, then it can likely be held in there.

OOC: Again, and someone who knows better than me can correct, trying to pass a WA resolution for the intent of making something on the forums likely runs afoul of Metagaming and Gameplay. The General Assembly doesn't write resolutions with the intent of changing aspects of the site, forums or the game's coding, it writes resolutions as if they are applying to -real- nations, -real- lands, and -real- people. For example, when my delegate asked "There are over twenty-six thousand nations currently in the World Assembly. This would be a very, very large gathering, even if only a quarter of nations wish to display their culture. Where shall this gathering be held?", this wasn't a question of "what forum would these threads be put in?", it was a question of "Where are we going to fit likely a couple million people from different species from over a multiverse in one place? Will the World Assembly be appropriating land for this? Will a nation be made to host this horde?", because that's how the GA functions.

Anything relating to the site, forums, or game's coding should be addressed to either Technical as a new forum suggestion, or perhaps done somewhere in National and International Roleplay (not Gameplay, my bad). The N&IRP forums seem to be a bit more fluid about what they consider IC, which I think might add to some confusion that we see here in the GA.

I know it's a bit of a learning curve... there seems to be discussion going on right now about the roleplay aspect and how to even out the curve and help out newcomers. Since you're new, might be a good idea to stick your nose into the conversation and give some newcomer perspective on it.

[Rhovunion]

You're right, and I don't want to cause a Metagaming problem. So, I have an alternative. There's already a forum based on art, music, books, etc. and if the ICM does get through and approved, then it can likely be held in there.

OOC: Again, and someone who knows better than me can correct, trying to pass a WA resolution for the intent of making something on the forums likely runs afoul of Metagaming and Gameplay. The General Assembly doesn't write resolutions with the intent of changing aspects of the site, forums or the game's coding, it writes resolutions as if they are applying to -real- nations, -real- lands, and -real- people. For example, when my delegate asked "There are over twenty-six thousand nations currently in the World Assembly. This would be a very, very large gathering, even if only a quarter of nations wish to display their culture. Where shall this gathering be held?", this wasn't a question of "what forum would these threads be put in?", it was a question of "Where are we going to fit likely a couple million people from different species from over a multiverse in one place? Will the World Assembly be appropriating land for this? Will a nation be made to host this horde?", because that's how the GA functions.

Anything relating to the site, forums, or game's coding should be addressed to either Technical as a new forum suggestion, or perhaps done somewhere in National and International Roleplay (not Gameplay, my bad). The N&IRP forums seem to be a bit more fluid about what they consider IC, which I think might add to some confusion that we see here in the GA.

I know it's a bit of a learning curve... there seems to be discussion going on right now about the roleplay aspect and how to even out the curve and help out newcomers. Since you're new, might be a good idea to stick your nose into the conversation and give some newcomer perspective on it.

Yeah, I'm turning this things into a legit thing and that's not what the WA does. I'm pulling out, mainly because I doubt a proposal like this will get to a reasonable conclusion through me. Someone else can try in the future, but I'm gonna try a more IC-related bill in the future once I think one up. Until then, thanks for the help, and I hope to hear from you again.

[The Second Moon Rising]

Yeah, I'm turning this things into a legit thing and that's not what the WA does. I'm pulling out, mainly because I doubt a proposal like this will get to a reasonable conclusion through me. Someone else can try in the future, but I'm gonna try a more IC-related bill in the future once I think one up. Until then, thanks for the help, and I hope to hear from you again.

OOC: Mhm, much luck and hope to see you around again.

EDIT: Oh, also, if you're going to not pursue this further, change the [Revised Draft] to [Abandoned]. Just so others are aware on the thread list.

[Frisbeeteria]

EDIT: Oh, also, if you're going to not pursue this further, change the [Revised Draft] to [Abandoned]. Just so others are aware on the thread list.

I edited the title to read [Abandoned]. (CLOSED) means something else on the RP forums. There's no need to be confusing.

[Rhovunion]

EDIT: Oh, also, if you're going to not pursue this further, change the [Revised Draft] to [Abandoned]. Just so others are aware on the thread list.

I edited the title to read [Abandoned]. (CLOSED) means something else on the RP forums. There's no need to be confusing.

Got it, thanks for the remediation