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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:29 pm

Noticing Undesired Transnational Sapients
Category: International Security | Strength: Mild


The most nutty World Assembly,

NOTING that compelling reasons may exist for member states to discriminate between their own nationals and foreign nationals,

BELIEVING that these compelling reasons are currently protected,

AWARE nonetheless that an atmosphere of concern has formed regarding a member state's right to discriminate against foreign nationals in certain matters,

SHOCKED, however, that several perfectly serviceable resolutions are being repealed over such petty matters as split infinitives, misplaced commas, dictionary wars, ideological imperialism, excessive repetition, questionable legal arguments, excessive repetition, being too ugly, excessive repetition and failing to be 100% unambiguous,

ACKNOWLEDGING that the issue of flawed legislation can be a tough nut to crack,

APPALLED at all the sledgehammers being used to crack said nuts when a simple clarification of policy is often all that is required to do the job,

OPINING that the above statement applies to the question of discrimination of foreign nationals,

WISHING to provide jobs for all the squirrels that will be rendered unemployed and obsolete as a result of this mass nut-cracking,

WARNING that this resolution may contain nuts,

WARNING that this august assembly definitely contains nuts,

HEREBY:

  1. DECLARES that a compelling reason exists for democratic member states to forbid foreign nationals from voting and to this end, allows democratic member states to forbid foreign nationals from voting,

  2. DECLARES that a compelling reason exists for member states to deny social services to foreign nationals and to this end, allows member states to deny social services to foreign nationals,

  3. DECLARES that a compelling reason exists for member states to restrict protection provided by their embassies to their own nationals and to this end, allows member states to restrict protection provided by their embassies to their own nationals,

  4. DECLARES that a compelling reason may exist for member states to impose certain entry conditions on foreign nationals and to this end, allows member states to impose reasonable entry conditions on foreign nationals,

  5. DECLARES that subject to any unrepealed legislation passed by this august assembly, member states are free to discriminate between their own nationals and foreign nationals,

  6. REQUIRES member states to ensure that their law enforcement divisions are capable of enforcing any such restrictions on foreign nationals,

  7. RECOMMENDS that member states refrain from repealing national and international legislation for pedantic reasons when a more proportionate solution is available,

  8. ESTABLISHES the Committee of Neurotic Underpaid Terrified Supervisors to advise member states upon request on passing and interpreting legislation in a manner that is proportionate to the issue that is being tackled by said legislation,

  9. ASKS member states to treat the Committee of NUTS with basic decency despite its status as a bloated, inefficient and intrusive bureaucracy,

  10. ENCOURAGES member states to create employment opportunities for non-sapient squirrels.

Fairburn: How nutty are we, Harold?

Harold: I'm nuttier than a squirrel coated in Nutella!

Fairburn: Delicious.

Barbera: Ew. Also, what is with that title and preamble?

Fairburn: Make Legislation Funny Again!
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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:29 pm

Convention on Nuts
Category: International Security | Strength: Mild


The most nutty World Assembly,

NOTING that compelling reasons may exist for member states to discriminate between their own nationals and foreign nationals,

BELIEVING that these compelling reasons are currently protected,

AWARE nonetheless that an atmosphere of concern has formed regarding a member state's right to discriminate against foreign nationals in certain matters,

CONVINCED that the nut of uncertainty regarding a member state's right to discriminate against foreign nationals must be cracked for the good of those who have nut allergies,

APPALLED at all the sledgehammers being used to crack nuts,

OPINING that a simple clarification of policy is all that is required to crack this particular nut,

WISHING to provide jobs for all the squirrels that will be rendered unemployed and obsolete as a result of this mass nut-cracking,

WARNING that this resolution may contain nuts,

WARNING that this august assembly definitely contains nuts,

HEREBY:

  1. DECLARES that a compelling reason exists for democratic member states to forbid foreign nationals from voting and to this end, allows democratic member states to forbid foreign nationals from voting,

  2. DECLARES that a compelling reason exists for member states to deny social services to foreign nationals and to this end, allows member states to deny social services to foreign nationals,

  3. DECLARES that a compelling reason exists for member states to restrict protection provided by their embassies to their own nationals and to this end, allows member states to restrict protection provided by their embassies to their own nationals,

  4. DECLARES that a compelling reason may exist for member states to impose certain entry conditions on foreign nationals and to this end, allows member states to impose reasonable entry conditions on foreign nationals,

  5. DECLARES that subject to any unrepealed legislation passed by this august assembly, member states are free to discriminate between their own nationals and foreign nationals,

  6. REQUIRES member states to ensure that their police forces are capable of enforcing any such restrictions on foreign nationals,

  7. ESTABLISHES the Committee on the Organisation of Nuts (CON) to advise member states upon request on passing and interpreting legislation in a manner that is proportionate to the issue that is being tackled by said legislation,

  8. CLARIFIES that member states are neither obliged to play along with the CON, nor are they obliged to aid and abet the CON,

  9. ASSUMES that all member states are aware of the CON,

  10. ENCOURAGES member states to create employment opportunities for non-sapient squirrels.
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Postby Caramelldancers » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:45 pm

States of Glory WA Office wrote:Convention on Nuts


"Rename it Naturalizing Undesired Transients Symposium," Tarja suggested.

The most nutty World Assembly,


"We are not nutty!" Tarja objected.

"Dear, you're a sociopathic alcoholic wanted by all nations in our homeland for sleeping with the spouses of their CEOs. I'm banished to this position because of the tandem-riding dwarf incident. Our staff list includes normal bees," Brenjos said. "I think we're definitely nuts."

"GRAAAH!"

"Oh, right, and our intern is a bear's ghost."

Tarja sighed. "Okay, I concede the point."

NOTING that compelling reasons may exist for member states to discriminate between their own nationals and foreign nationals,

BELIEVING that these compelling reasons are currently protected,

AWARE nonetheless that an atmosphere of concern has formed regarding a member state's right to discriminate against foreign nationals in certain matters,

CONVINCED that the nut of uncertainty regarding a member state's right to discriminate against foreign nationals must be cracked for the good of those who have nut allergies,

APPALLED at all the sledgehammers being used to crack nuts,

OPINING that a simple clarification of policy is all that is required to crack this particular nut,

WISHING to provide jobs for all the squirrels that will be rendered unemployed and obsolete as a result of this mass nut-cracking,

WARNING that this resolution may contain nuts,

WARNING that this august assembly definitely contains nuts,

HEREBY:

  1. DECLARES that a compelling reason exists for democratic member states to forbid foreign nationals from voting and to this end, allows democratic member states to forbid foreign nationals from voting,

  2. DECLARES that a compelling reason exists for member states to deny social services to foreign nationals and to this end, allows member states to deny social services to foreign nationals,

  3. DECLARES that a compelling reason exists for member states to restrict protection provided by their embassies to their own nationals and to this end, allows member states to restrict protection provided by their embassies to their own nationals,

  4. DECLARES that a compelling reason may exist for member states to impose certain entry conditions on foreign nationals and to this end, allows member states to impose reasonable entry conditions on foreign nationals,

  5. DECLARES that subject to any unrepealed legislation passed by this august assembly, member states are free to discriminate between their own nationals and foreign nationals,

  6. REQUIRES member states to ensure that their police forces are capable of enforcing any such restrictions on foreign nationals,

  7. ESTABLISHES the Committee on the Organisation of Nuts (CON) to advise member states upon request on passing and interpreting legislation in a manner that is proportionate to the issue that is being tackled by said legislation,

  8. CLARIFIES that member states are neither obliged to play along with the CON, nor are they obliged to aid and abet the CON,

  9. ASSUMES that all member states are aware of the CON,

  10. ENCOURAGES member states to create employment opportunities for non-sapient squirrels.


"Well, I think there are compelling reasons to oppose..." Tarja began.

"GRAAAAAAAH!"

"Um, dear... I think the ursine spectre wants us to support this..." Brenjos whispered.

"Are you kidding me?"

"GRAAH!"

Tarja threw her hands up in the air. "Fine! Whatever! We support this! I need a drink..."

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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:04 am

"Ambassador, this proposal makes no sense. Are you attempting to make a joke here?"
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Postby Aclion » Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:32 am

Wallenburg wrote:"Ambassador, this proposal makes no sense. Are you attempting to make a joke here?"

If you want jokes talk to the GA Secretariats.
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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Sat Feb 18, 2017 5:21 pm

Wallenburg wrote:"Ambassador, this proposal makes no sense. Are you attempting to make a joke here?"

Fairburn: So much for 'Make Legislation Funny Again'. The proposal has requirements and declarations outside of the obvious jokes, though perhaps I'm overestimating the reading comprehension of the average Wallenburger.

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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:43 pm

States of Glory WA Office wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:"Ambassador, this proposal makes no sense. Are you attempting to make a joke here?"

Fairburn: So much for 'Make Legislation Funny Again'. The proposal has requirements and declarations outside of the obvious jokes, though perhaps I'm overestimating the reading comprehension of the average Wallenburger.

Harold: Ooh, I love Wallenburgers! Do you know if they serve any at the Strangers' Bar?

"I am all for making legislation funny again. Such a goal is tremendous, believe me. However, the funniness of a proposal should flow well and compliment the proposal. This is a sad, failing slapstick attempt at comedy. Terrible! It doesn't work with the actual body of the proposal, and demands the foreground against what the proposal is actually meant to do. Either way, joke proposals are illegal."
While she had no regrets about throwing the lever to douse her husband's mistress in molten gold, Blanche did feel a pang of conscience for the innocent bystanders whose proximity had caused them to suffer gilt by association.

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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:52 pm

Wallenburg wrote:"Either way, joke proposals are illegal."

Fairburn: This proposal is not a joke, unless you believe that 'Repeal: Law Enforcement Education' was also a joke. Last time I checked, Wallenburgers don't have mind-reading capabilities. I shouldn't have to point out the active clauses to so-called "ambassadors", but since you clearly require my assistance, I'll point you to Clauses One, Two, Three, Four, Five, Six, Seven, Eight and Nine. Indeed, the remaining clauses are jokes, but one clause does not a joke proposal make.
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Postby Araraukar » Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:07 pm

OOC: I'm fairly sure that the case could be made for format violation, that the start of the proposal isn't written as a law would need to be, but as a bad comedy screenplay.

I suggest cutting out the "funny" stuff and putting it into the joke thread on its own.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:27 am

Araraukar wrote:OOC: I'm fairly sure that the case could be made for format violation, that the start of the proposal isn't written as a law would need to be, but as a bad comedy screenplay.

Proposals intended solely to be 'humorous' or a 'joke' are removed, however, authors may post these in the [SILLY] GA Joke Proposals Only thread.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:54 am

Wallenburg wrote:
States of Glory WA Office wrote:Fairburn: So much for 'Make Legislation Funny Again'. The proposal has requirements and declarations outside of the obvious jokes, though perhaps I'm overestimating the reading comprehension of the average Wallenburger.

Harold: Ooh, I love Wallenburgers! Do you know if they serve any at the Strangers' Bar?

"I am all for making legislation funny again. Such a goal is tremendous, believe me. However, the funniness of a proposal should flow well and compliment the proposal. This is a sad, failing slapstick attempt at comedy. Terrible! It doesn't work with the actual body of the proposal, and demands the foreground against what the proposal is actually meant to do. Either way, joke proposals are illegal."


"Hear, hear." Blackbourne says. "Not that I support humor in serious international proposals much, anyways, but at least make the humor something that flows nicely with the resolution rather than sidetrack it into something about Nuts and Cons. And let me just say, Clause Ten makes this resolution absolutely unsupportable."

States of Glory WA Office wrote:Fairburn: This proposal is not a joke, unless you believe that 'Repeal: Law Enforcement Education' was also a joke.

...

I'll point you to Clauses One, Two, Three, Four, Five, Six, Seven, Eight and Nine. Indeed, the remaining clauses are jokes, but one clause does not a joke proposal make.

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The main differences are, I believe, these:
1) Past humorous resolutions did not usually have such appalling titles. Even "Crime and Punishment" is not such a bad title. Convention on Nuts just sounds like a stupid resolution, something that should be burned and buried alongside the ashes of HIPPOS ARE REALLY QUITE LARGE.
2) The Orange Julius recipe did not detract from the resolution. It was quite easy to read all the repeal arguments, skip over the recipe, and read the repeal clause. This resolution has so many references to nuts, squirrels, and cons, it is very difficult to skim and only read the serious parts.
3) This last one is subjective, but humor should be... funny in the context of the WA. WAHQ is funny because the joke was that delaying office requests for weeks on end was what a massive interuniversal bureaucracy could be expected to do. Repeal Law Enforcement Education was funny (I think, others disagree) because the joke was that literally anything could go in the repeal and it would pass. This resolution is funny because the joke is that... what? What do squirrels have to do with the WA? I understand that this is my opinion and maybe someone else thinks this is hilarious, but it just doesn't strike me as a good parody of WA affairs, which is what humor in the WA should be, I believe.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sun Feb 19, 2017 5:37 am

States of Glory WA Office wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:"Either way, joke proposals are illegal."

Fairburn: This proposal is not a joke, unless you believe that 'Repeal: Law Enforcement Education' was also a joke. Last time I checked, Wallenburgers don't have mind-reading capabilities. I shouldn't have to point out the active clauses to so-called "ambassadors", but since you clearly require my assistance, I'll point you to Clauses One, Two, Three, Four, Five, Six, Seven, Eight and Nine. Indeed, the remaining clauses are jokes, but one clause does not a joke proposal make.

"Ah, I suppose you are mistaken. Only most of your proposal is a joke. I had forgotten that all of it must be to be illegal. Terribly sorry, Ambassador."
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Postby Araraukar » Sun Feb 19, 2017 8:18 am

Excidium Planetis wrote:This resolution is funny because the joke is that... what? What do squirrels have to do with the WA? I understand that this is my opinion and maybe someone else thinks this is hilarious, but it just doesn't strike me as a good parody of WA affairs, which is what humor in the WA should be, I believe.

OOC: ^This.
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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:36 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
States of Glory WA Office wrote:Fairburn: This proposal is not a joke, unless you believe that 'Repeal: Law Enforcement Education' was also a joke. Last time I checked, Wallenburgers don't have mind-reading capabilities. I shouldn't have to point out the active clauses to so-called "ambassadors", but since you clearly require my assistance, I'll point you to Clauses One, Two, Three, Four, Five, Six, Seven, Eight and Nine. Indeed, the remaining clauses are jokes, but one clause does not a joke proposal make.

"Ah, I suppose you are mistaken. Only most of your proposal is a joke. I had forgotten that all of it must be to be illegal. Terribly sorry, Ambassador."

Fairburn: If one out of ten clauses is "most" then you are technically correct, but your premise is flawed.

OOC: I'll get back to the OOC comments ASAP.
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:48 am

States of Glory WA Office wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:"Ah, I suppose you are mistaken. Only most of your proposal is a joke. I had forgotten that all of it must be to be illegal. Terribly sorry, Ambassador."

Fairburn: If one out of ten clauses is "most" then you are technically correct, but your premise is flawed.

OOC: I'll get back to the OOC comments ASAP.

"Essentially the entire preamble is one mess of a joke, and that contains many, many clauses. On top of that, you name a "Committee on the Organization of Nuts", a name that member states are unable to ignore, and you even make a joke out of the resolution title which, again, cannot be ignored or overlooked. I feel rather comfortable in my assessment that most of the resolution is a joke."
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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:24 pm

All OOC.

Excidium Planetis wrote:
States of Glory WA Office wrote:Fairburn: This proposal is not a joke, unless you believe that 'Repeal: Law Enforcement Education' was also a joke.

...

I'll point you to Clauses One, Two, Three, Four, Five, Six, Seven, Eight and Nine. Indeed, the remaining clauses are jokes, but one clause does not a joke proposal make.

OOC
The main differences are, I believe, these:
1) Past humorous resolutions did not usually have such appalling titles. Even "Crime and Punishment" is not such a bad title. Convention on Nuts just sounds like a stupid resolution, something that should be burned and buried alongside the ashes of HIPPOS ARE REALLY QUITE LARGE.

I was actually going to name this National Sovereignty Regarding Foreigners (how could a proposal with that title not pass, after all?) but once I started with the 'nut' thing (I'll explain why later in the post), I couldn't help myself. I don't feel as if the title is appalling, though.

Excidium Planetis wrote:2) The Orange Julius recipe did not detract from the resolution. It was quite easy to read all the repeal arguments, skip over the recipe, and read the repeal clause. This resolution has so many references to nuts, squirrels, and cons, it is very difficult to skim and only read the serious parts.

How is this resolution any more difficult to read than your repeal? If anything, I'd argue that it's easier. The first parts of both the preamble and the section containing the active clauses are serious, while the second parts are jocular. There is a clear degree of separation. The Orange Julius recipe, on the other hand, was sandwiched in between active clauses, making it more difficult to skip.

Excidium Planetis wrote:3) This last one is subjective, but humor should be... funny in the context of the WA. WAHQ is funny because the joke was that delaying office requests for weeks on end was what a massive interuniversal bureaucracy could be expected to do. Repeal Law Enforcement Education was funny (I think, others disagree) because the joke was that literally anything could go in the repeal and it would pass. This resolution is funny because the joke is that... what? What do squirrels have to do with the WA? I understand that this is my opinion and maybe someone else thinks this is hilarious, but it just doesn't strike me as a good parody of WA affairs, which is what humor in the WA should be, I believe.

I'll admit that the joke could have been made clearer. I assume that you're aware of the phrase 'to use a sledgehammer to crack a nut'? Back when this was National Sovereignty Regarding Foreigners, I added in the 'APPALLED' clause as a joke about the fact that perfectly fine resolutions (such as CoCR, Foreign Patent Act and Assisted Suicide Act) were subject to repeal attempts for the most petty and minor of reasons, and just like Barrister's Employment Act (formerly Trade of Patented Goods) was designed to block a repeal of Foreign Patent Act and Euthanasia Ban was designed to block a repeal of Assisted Suicide Act, this resolution was designed to block a repeal of CoCR.

Of course, I got carried away and decided to add in the 'OPINING' and 'WISHING' clauses. The 'CONVINCED' clause and the two 'WARNING' clauses soon followed (though the joke behind the second 'WARNING' clause should at least be obvious). There was no point producing such a preamble without backing it up with active clauses, so I decided to go for the least controversial active clauses (unless you want to claim that a mere encouragement now counts as a requirement). For the cherry on the top, I described the World Assembly as 'most nutty' and renamed the proposal 'Convention on Nuts'.

Now, in hindsight, the joke could have been made a LOT clearer, but I believe that there is potential here. I'll have to go back to the drawing board for this, however.
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Postby The Atlae Isles » Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:14 am

OOC: I would argue that the jokes make it more unclear of what the subject is.

States of Glory WA Office wrote:
Convention on Nuts
Category: International Security | Strength: Mild


The most nutty World Assembly,

NOTING that compelling reasons may exist for member states to discriminate between their own nationals and foreign nationals,

BELIEVING that these compelling reasons are currently protected,

AWARE nonetheless that an atmosphere of concern has formed regarding a member state's right to discriminate against foreign nationals in certain matters,


"Seems good so far, but what does that have to do with nuts?"

States of Glory WA Office wrote:CONVINCED that the nut of uncertainty regarding a member state's right to discriminate against foreign nationals must be cracked for the good of those who have nut allergies,

APPALLED at all the sledgehammers being used to crack nuts,


"Say what??"

States of Glory WA Office wrote:OPINING that a simple clarification of policy is all that is required to crack this particular nut,

WISHING to provide jobs for all the squirrels that will be rendered unemployed and obsolete as a result of this mass nut-cracking,


"Since when did a resolution about foreign nationals turn into an unemployment act?"

States of Glory WA Office wrote:WARNING that this resolution may contain nuts,

WARNING that this august assembly definitely contains nuts,


"The last one is redundant."

States of Glory WA Office wrote:HEREBY:

  1. DECLARES that a compelling reason exists for democratic member states to forbid foreign nationals from voting and to this end, allows democratic member states to forbid foreign nationals from voting,
  2. DECLARES that a compelling reason exists for member states to deny social services to foreign nationals and to this end, allows member states to deny social services to foreign nationals,
  3. DECLARES that a compelling reason exists for member states to restrict protection provided by their embassies to their own nationals and to this end, allows member states to restrict protection provided by their embassies to their own nationals,
  4. DECLARES that a compelling reason may exist for member states to impose certain entry conditions on foreign nationals and to this end, allows member states to impose reasonable entry conditions on foreign nationals,


OOC: I would be concerned about optionality, but no one's brought it up.

States of Glory WA Office wrote:
  • DECLARES that subject to any unrepealed legislation passed by this august assembly, member states are free to discriminate between their own nationals and foreign nationals,

  • REQUIRES member states to ensure that their police forces are capable of enforcing any such restrictions on foreign nationals,


  • "Of which these restrictions are optional."

    States of Glory WA Office wrote:
  • ESTABLISHES the Committee on the Organisation of Nuts (CON) to advise member states upon request on passing and interpreting legislation in a manner that is proportionate to the issue that is being tackled by said legislation,


  • "I don't see how some nations can tell the difference from a committee on foreign nationals and what seems like a committee on nuts. If you want the name to have nuts in it, have it be an acronym that is NUTS."

    States of Glory WA Office wrote:
  • CLARIFIES that member states are neither obliged to play along with the CON, nor are they obliged to aid and abet the CON,
  • ASSUMES that all member states are aware of the CON,


  • OOC: Again, is this optionality?

    States of Glory WA Office wrote:
  • ENCOURAGES member states to create employment opportunities for non-sapient squirrels.


  • "Are these squirrels naturalized citizens?"
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    Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:20 am

    Optionality as one part of a proposal is not illegal. Why is it that people think it is? There are clearly parts of the proposal which are not optional, and therefore, the proposal is legal on optionality grounds. Optionality is a rule applied only if the entirety of the proposal is optional.

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    Postby States of Glory WA Office » Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:30 pm

    The Atlae Isles wrote:OOC: I would argue that the jokes make it more unclear of what the subject is.

    OOC: A fair enough point that I'll try to address as soon as I can.

    The Atlae Isles wrote:
    States of Glory WA Office wrote:
    Convention on Nuts
    Category: International Security | Strength: Mild


    The most nutty World Assembly,

    NOTING that compelling reasons may exist for member states to discriminate between their own nationals and foreign nationals,

    BELIEVING that these compelling reasons are currently protected,

    AWARE nonetheless that an atmosphere of concern has formed regarding a member state's right to discriminate against foreign nationals in certain matters,


    "Seems good so far, but what does that have to do with nuts?"

    Harold: We're all nuts here, aren't we? What doesn't any resolution have to do with nuts? Now cream pies, on the other hand...

    The Atlae Isles wrote:
    States of Glory WA Office wrote:CONVINCED that the nut of uncertainty regarding a member state's right to discriminate against foreign nationals must be cracked for the good of those who have nut allergies,

    APPALLED at all the sledgehammers being used to crack nuts,


    "Say what??"

    Harold: What.

    Fairburn: (not impressed) Ha! As for your question:

    'Convinced that the nut of uncertainty regarding a member state's right to discriminate against foreign nationals must be cracked for the good of those who have nut allergies, appalled at all the sledgehammers being used to crack nuts.'

    You are able to read, aren't you, Ambassador?

    The Atlae Isles wrote:
    States of Glory WA Office wrote:OPINING that a simple clarification of policy is all that is required to crack this particular nut,

    WISHING to provide jobs for all the squirrels that will be rendered unemployed and obsolete as a result of this mass nut-cracking,


    "Since when did a resolution about foreign nationals turn into an unemployment act?"

    Harold: Since Barristers' Employment Act, of course!

    Barbera: What did that have to do with foreign nationals?

    Fairburn: Nothing much in particular, but the situations are pretty similar at present.

    The Atlae Isles wrote:
    States of Glory WA Office wrote:WARNING that this resolution may contain nuts,

    WARNING that this august assembly definitely contains nuts,


    "The last one is redundant."

    Fairburn: If you are unable to handle the simple truth, Ambassador, then I suggest that your nation sends someone with thicker skin.

    The Atlae Isles wrote:
    States of Glory WA Office wrote:HEREBY:

    1. DECLARES that a compelling reason exists for democratic member states to forbid foreign nationals from voting and to this end, allows democratic member states to forbid foreign nationals from voting,
    2. DECLARES that a compelling reason exists for member states to deny social services to foreign nationals and to this end, allows member states to deny social services to foreign nationals,
    3. DECLARES that a compelling reason exists for member states to restrict protection provided by their embassies to their own nationals and to this end, allows member states to restrict protection provided by their embassies to their own nationals,
    4. DECLARES that a compelling reason may exist for member states to impose certain entry conditions on foreign nationals and to this end, allows member states to impose reasonable entry conditions on foreign nationals,


    OOC: I would be concerned about optionality, but no one's brought it up.

    OOC: Requiring member states to do these things would potentially be a Contradiction of CoCR while preventing them from doing these things ruins the whole point of this proposal.

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  • DECLARES that subject to any unrepealed legislation passed by this august assembly, member states are free to discriminate between their own nationals and foreign nationals,

  • REQUIRES member states to ensure that their police forces are capable of enforcing any such restrictions on foreign nationals,


  • "Of which these restrictions are optional."

    Fairburn: The vast majority of, if not all, reasonable nations would have restrictions against foreign nationals that don't apply to their own nationals. Next you'll be claiming that regulations on naval trade are optional on the mere basis that some nations are landlocked.

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  • ESTABLISHES the Committee on the Organisation of Nuts (CON) to advise member states upon request on passing and interpreting legislation in a manner that is proportionate to the issue that is being tackled by said legislation,


  • "I don't see how some nations can tell the difference from a committee on foreign nationals and what seems like a committee on nuts. If you want the name to have nuts in it, have it be an acronym that is NUTS."

    Harold: You've got to admit, that's actually a good suggestion.

    Fairburn: (grumbles) Fine, I'll give you this one, but that's the only decent point you've made so far. (OOC: The only IC one, anyway)

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    States of Glory WA Office wrote:
  • CLARIFIES that member states are neither obliged to play along with the CON, nor are they obliged to aid and abet the CON,
  • ASSUMES that all member states are aware of the CON,


  • OOC: Again, is this optionality?

    OOC: No, it's a poor joke based on the word 'con'. That committee won't be in the redraft.

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  • ENCOURAGES member states to create employment opportunities for non-sapient squirrels.


  • "Are these squirrels naturalized citizens?"

    Fairburn: Last time I checked, nations don't routinely bestow citizenship upon non-sapient organisms.
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    Postby States of Glory WA Office » Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:11 pm

    Fairburn: Now how did this get here?

    Harold: A title change, I see.

    Fairburn: Hopefully, the humourless grumps of the World Assembly will be more supportive of this draft.
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    Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:56 pm

    States of Glory WA Office wrote:Fairburn: Now how did this get here?

    Harold: A title change, I see.

    Fairburn: Hopefully, the humourless grumps of the World Assembly will be more supportive of this draft.


    OOC: Cripes, just don't reverse the order of the words "underpaid" and "neurotic." It took me embarrassingly long to figure out that you weren't going for that particular untelevisable word. :p
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    Postby Araraukar » Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:42 am

    States of Glory WA Office wrote:Fairburn: Hopefully, the humourless grumps of the World Assembly will be more supportive of this draft.
    States of Glory WA Office wrote:The most nutty World Assembly,

    ACKNOWLEDGING that the issue of flawed legislation can be a tough nut to crack,

    APPALLED at all the sledgehammers being used to crack said nuts when a simple clarification of policy is often all that is required to do the job,

    WISHING to provide jobs for all the squirrels that will be rendered unemployed and obsolete as a result of this mass nut-cracking,

    WARNING that this resolution may contain nuts,

    WARNING that this august assembly definitely contains nuts,


    9. ASKS member states to treat the Committee of NUTS with basic decency despite its status as a bloated, inefficient and intrusive bureaucracy,

    10. ENCOURAGES member states to create employment opportunities for non-sapient squirrels.

    OOC: Joke proposals still belong here. Remove the things highlighted above and we might get somewhere. Also, the title is misleading, "noticing" isn't the same as "discriminating against". Additionally, if you name it "C... N... U... T... S...", you know it'll get shortened to CNUT, not "Committee of NUTS". Which, even without mis-spelling the initialism, reads as a sexual reference.

    EDIT: Oh, and "when a simple clarification of policy is often all that is required to do the job" looks very much like this wanting to amend any extant resolution against discrimination.
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    Postby The Greater Siriusian Domain » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:03 am

    Araraukar wrote:
    States of Glory WA Office wrote:Fairburn: Hopefully, the humourless grumps of the World Assembly will be more supportive of this draft.
    States of Glory WA Office wrote:The most nutty World Assembly,

    ACKNOWLEDGING that the issue of flawed legislation can be a tough nut to crack,

    APPALLED at all the sledgehammers being used to crack said nuts when a simple clarification of policy is often all that is required to do the job,

    WISHING to provide jobs for all the squirrels that will be rendered unemployed and obsolete as a result of this mass nut-cracking,

    WARNING that this resolution may contain nuts,

    WARNING that this august assembly definitely contains nuts,


    9. ASKS member states to treat the Committee of NUTS with basic decency despite its status as a bloated, inefficient and intrusive bureaucracy,

    10. ENCOURAGES member states to create employment opportunities for non-sapient squirrels.

    OOC: Joke proposals still belong here. Remove the things highlighted above and we might get somewhere. Also, the title is misleading, "noticing" isn't the same as "discriminating against". Additionally, if you name it "C... N... U... T... S...", you know it'll get shortened to CNUT, not "Committee of NUTS". Which, even without mis-spelling the initialism, reads as a sexual reference.

    EDIT: Oh, and "when a simple clarification of policy is often all that is required to do the job" looks very much like this wanting to amend any extant resolution against discrimination.

    OOC: So, if a proposal has even a single pun or joke in it regardless of whether it's otherwise serious, that automatically relegates it to the joke category? Or is there a threshold? As for the initialism, I'd say in this case it counts as a double entendre.
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    Postby States of Glory WA Office » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:04 am

    Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
    States of Glory WA Office wrote:Fairburn: Now how did this get here?

    Harold: A title change, I see.

    Fairburn: Hopefully, the humourless grumps of the World Assembly will be more supportive of this draft.


    OOC: Cripes, just don't reverse the order of the words "underpaid" and "neurotic." It took me embarrassingly long to figure out that you weren't going for that particular untelevisable word. :p

    If you genuinely thought that I was going for something like that then you were seriously giving me too much credit. :P

    Araraukar wrote:
    States of Glory WA Office wrote:The most nutty World Assembly,

    ACKNOWLEDGING that the issue of flawed legislation can be a tough nut to crack,

    APPALLED at all the sledgehammers being used to crack said nuts when a simple clarification of policy is often all that is required to do the job,

    WISHING to provide jobs for all the squirrels that will be rendered unemployed and obsolete as a result of this mass nut-cracking,

    WARNING that this resolution may contain nuts,

    WARNING that this august assembly definitely contains nuts,


    9. ASKS member states to treat the Committee of NUTS with basic decency despite its status as a bloated, inefficient and intrusive bureaucracy,

    10. ENCOURAGES member states to create employment opportunities for non-sapient squirrels.

    OOC: Joke proposals still belong here. Remove the things highlighted above and we might get somewhere.

    Oh, no! Two out of the ten active clauses are jocular! Oh, the horror!

    Araraukar wrote:Also, the title is misleading, "noticing" isn't the same as "discriminating against".

    This proposal notices undesired transnational sapients. I don't see the problem.

    Of course, I could always call it Convention on Nuts or National Sovereignty Regarding Foreigners if you'd prefer. ;)

    Araraukar wrote:Additionally, if you name it "C... N... U... T... S...", you know it'll get shortened to CNUT, not "Committee of NUTS". Which, even without mis-spelling the initialism, reads as a sexual reference.

    My proposal, which establishes the committee in the first place, shortens it to 'Committee of NUTS'. If future authors wish to utilise an incorrect acronym then that is their prerogative.

    Araraukar wrote:EDIT: Oh, and "when a simple clarification of policy is often all that is required to do the job" looks very much like this wanting to amend any extant resolution against discrimination.

    ...How does a clarification count as an amendment? By that logic, all those resolutions attempting to clarify Clause Three of NAPA are also amendments.

    The Greater Siriusian Domain wrote:OOC: So, if a proposal has even a single pun or joke in it regardless of whether it's otherwise serious, that automatically relegates it to the joke category? Or is there a threshold?

    Now you know why 'Make Legislation Funny Again!' exists.
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    Postby The Greater Siriusian Domain » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:07 am

    States of Glory WA Office wrote:
    The Greater Siriusian Domain wrote:OOC: So, if a proposal has even a single pun or joke in it regardless of whether it's otherwise serious, that automatically relegates it to the joke category? Or is there a threshold?

    Now you know why 'Make Legislation Funny Again!' exists.[/spoiler]


    OOC: If you don't remember, I was there when we stuck a thinly veiled orange julius recipe into a repeal (it was around the time I first joined the World Assembly). I am familiar with that. :)
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