[Draft] Freedom of Flight

[Grezantime]

Also please suggest improvements! If you see any place for edits or revisions please tell me. Let me know if you see any possible violation of the rules but I will have a legality check before the submitting.

Category:Free Trade | Strength: Mild | Proposed by: Grezantime

The World Assembly,
Recognizing the importance of international commercial flights.

Seeking to allow airlines easy access to conduct business.

Cognizant that there is no international law defining aviation freedoms.

Hereby grants the rights to,

(1)fly over sovereign airspace, in return for compensation, to the nation allowing the airspace to be used;

(2)land in a nation other than the original nation for a technical stop;

(3)stop in countries other than original nation to pick up passengers;

(4)a route that starts and ends in foreign nations;

(5)stop in any series of foreign nations as long as the final destination and start are the home country;

this part needs to be redone

(6)Restricts airline from establishing a route between two cities in a foreign country.

[Christian Democrats]

Any ideas for what category to go under?

Free Trade would be the best category for a proposal that attempts to enhance international air travel.

[Imperium Anglorum]

You can easily shorten this a lot by using a 'Grants airlines (1) ... , (2) ... , (3) ...' structure rather than repeating it over and over again. I really like that you didn't format any of the principal words, keep it that way.

I don't understand what the last clause means, let alone does.

Free Trade would be the best category for a proposal that attempts to enhance international air travel.

How does that remove barriers to commerce?

[Christian Democrats]

Free Trade would be the best category for a proposal that attempts to enhance international air travel.

How does that remove barriers to commerce?

How does forbidding nations from excluding foreign commercial airliners from crossing their airspace promote commerce?



I hope it's obvious.

[Imperium Anglorum]

How does forbidding nations from excluding foreign commercial airliners from crossing their airspace promote commerce?

Because it doesn't actually force nations to do anything that removes barriers to commerce.

[Calladan]

Any ideas for what category to go under? Also please suggest improvements! If you see any place for edits or revisions please tell me. Let me know if you see any possible violation of the rules but I will have a legality check before the submitting.

Category: ???? | Strength: Mild | Proposed by: Grezantime

The World Assembly,
Recognizing the importance of international commercial flights.

Seeking to allow airlines easy access to conduct business.

Cognizant that there is no international law defining aviation freedoms.

Hereby,

Grants airlines the right to fly over sovereign airspace, in return for compensation, to the nation allowing the airspace to be used;

Grants airlines the right to land in a nation other than the original nation for a technical stop;

Grants airlines the right to stop in countries other than original nation to pick up passengers;

Grants airlines the right to a route that starts and ends in foreign nations;

Grants airlines the right to stop in any series of foreign nations as long as the final destination and start are the home country;

Restricts airline from establishing a route between two cities in a foreign country.

Wouldn't Clauses 4 and 6 be in direct contradiction?

[Christian Democrats]

How does forbidding nations from excluding foreign commercial airliners from crossing their airspace promote commerce?

Because it doesn't actually force nations to do anything that removes barriers to commerce.

Forbidding foreign airlines from flying across your airspace is a barrier to travel.

[Grezantime]

Any ideas for what category to go under? Also please suggest improvements! If you see any place for edits or revisions please tell me. Let me know if you see any possible violation of the rules but I will have a legality check before the submitting.

Category: ???? | Strength: Mild | Proposed by: Grezantime

The World Assembly,
Recognizing the importance of international commercial flights.

Seeking to allow airlines easy access to conduct business.

Cognizant that there is no international law defining aviation freedoms.

Hereby,

Grants airlines the right to fly over sovereign airspace, in return for compensation, to the nation allowing the airspace to be used;

Grants airlines the right to land in a nation other than the original nation for a technical stop;

Grants airlines the right to stop in countries other than original nation to pick up passengers;

Grants airlines the right to a route that starts and ends in foreign nations;

Grants airlines the right to stop in any series of foreign nations as long as the final destination and start are the home country;

Restricts airline from establishing a route between two cities in a foreign country.

Wouldn't Clauses 4 and 6 be in direct contradiction?

It's very poorly worded at the moment but what I was trying to do with clause 6 is protect domestic routes to make sure every country has the possibility for an airline (and hopefully a pass the proposal). So you can travel to country a to b but you can run a consistent route in just country a.

[Grezantime]

You can easily shorten this a lot by using a 'Grants airlines (1) ... , (2) ... , (3) ...' structure rather than repeating it over and over again. I really like that you didn't format any of the principal words, keep it that way.

I don't understand what the last clause means, let alone does.

Free Trade would be the best category for a proposal that attempts to enhance international air travel.

How does that remove barriers to commerce?

Alright I will definitely do the rights by doing that suggestion. Also is that last thing sarcasm or do you really not like the italics on the "command" word for each line?

[Grezantime]

I just removed clause 6 unless I can find a better format and wording for clearly communicating it's purpose.

[Separatist Peoples]

"This entire proposal is difficult to read. I can't tell if the airlines have rights, or if nations are being compelled to allow an action. This would be a better fit for Free Trade if it was written as requirements for nations, i.e., Nations shall not restrict airlines from X, Y, and Z.

"Further, this line:

(1)fly over sovereign airspace, in return for compensation, to the nation allowing the airspace to be used;

Is different in construction from the rest. The following rights seem to apply to what a nation allows it's resident airlines to do. This seems to apply to what nations must allow foreign airlines to do. Further, granting a right to use airspace contingent on permission undermines the idea that it is, in fact, a right. If it is revocable, it's clearly a privilege."

[Grezantime]

"This entire proposal is difficult to read. I can't tell if the airlines have rights, or if nations are being compelled to allow an action. This would be a better fit for Free Trade if it was written as requirements for nations, i.e., Nations shall not restrict airlines from X, Y, and Z.

"Further, this line:

(1)fly over sovereign airspace, in return for compensation, to the nation allowing the airspace to be used;

Is different in construction from the rest. The following rights seem to apply to what a nation allows it's resident airlines to do. This seems to apply to what nations must allow foreign airlines to do. Further, granting a right to use airspace contingent on permission undermines the idea that it is, in fact, a right. If it is revocable, it's clearly a privilege."

Okay I will change the wording to make it more align to free trade. Thank you for the help.

[Jarish Inyo]

Why should nations be forced to let aircraft into their territory? How are nations to protect their borders if anyone can just fly into them without clearance to do so?

[Araraukar]

Hereby grants the rights to,

Who or what are you giving these rights to? Because clause 4 has you giving rights to a route. Not an airliner or plane pilot, but a route. I'm fairly sure that's not intended language.

[Grezantime]

Why should nations be forced to let aircraft into their territory? How are nations to protect their borders if anyone can just fly into them without clearance to do so?

Im pretty sure there are no armed airlines though I may be wrong.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Im pretty sure there are no armed airlines though I may be wrong.

NORTH: I hope you realise that planes are weapons by virtue of their large weight, high speed, and the fact they are carrying huge amounts of fuel.

OOC: If you don't believe that planes are weapons, I would direct you to a little-known attack on the 11th of September 2001.

[Calladan]

Im pretty sure there are no armed airlines though I may be wrong.

NORTH: I hope you realise that planes are weapons by virtue of their large weight, high speed, and the fact they are carrying huge amounts of fuel.

OOC: If you don't believe that planes are weapons, I would direct you to a little-known attack on the 11th of September 2001.

And even if they aren't used as actual ballistic missiles, you can hide a lot of surveillance equipment on a civilian airliner. And it has the advantage that a lot of civilian planes might be the wrong shape to be picked up by anti-aircraft system (for the very reason that most AA systems are not designed for shooting down civilian aircraft).

[Elke and Elba]

OOC: I do not actively participate here anymore, but you might want to note that all five freedoms of the air are not automatically granted even in an IRL context.

Granting them en masse in a NS context is going to be disingenuous.

[Texsuccesusa Federation]

A

[Araraukar]

OOC: Considering the author has the resolution text hidden in a spoiler with a tag "this needs redoing", then perhaps further debate ought to wait for them to re-do the text?

[Rightport]

Rightport will not support this.

[SHORCOUT]

I will support this draft but.....
What if the nation is barred from reaching the airspace of any other nation?

[Jarish Inyo]

Why should nations be forced to let aircraft into their territory? How are nations to protect their borders if anyone can just fly into them without clearance to do so?

Im pretty sure there are no armed airlines though I may be wrong.

That doesn't answer the question. Why should any nation be forced to allow any nation to fly so called 'civilian' aircraft through any part of their territory? And try to actually answer this time.