by Republic Denmark » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:51 am
by Calladan » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:02 am
by Republic Denmark » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:08 am
Calladan wrote:While I am not an expert in areas of financial management, I do not believe asking for a solvency rate of 150% is actually possible. Could you explain how this can be managed?
by Republic Denmark » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:09 am
Calladan wrote:While I am not an expert in areas of financial management, I do not believe asking for a solvency rate of 150% is actually possible. Could you explain how this can be managed?
by Aclion » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:12 am
A. Defines, for the purpose of this resolution:
• Financial sector: the banks and insurance companies
• Debt crisis: To overcome future crisis that cause major risks for the financial system and the future of the economy that could cause a depression and a worldwide economic crisis.
• Trust: The financial sector is there to provide services to the people and needs to be trustworthy. The money of the people needs to be save.
by Republic Denmark » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:14 am
Aclion wrote:A. Defines, for the purpose of this resolution:
• Financial sector: the banks and insurance companies
• Debt crisis: To overcome future crisis that cause major risks for the financial system and the future of the economy that could cause a depression and a worldwide economic crisis.
• Trust: The financial sector is there to provide services to the people and needs to be trustworthy. The money of the people needs to be save.
This entire section can be removed.
by Calladan » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:06 am
by Republic Denmark » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:16 am
Calladan wrote:Republic Denmark wrote:
Do you suggest that I elaborate more on the solvency rate in the proposal?
No - I get your explanation. I just always thought that you can't get something to be more than 100% of what it can be. What one percent being one one hundredth so one hundred percent being one hundred one one hundredths. (And even after your explanation I still think it is just a matter of perspective and how it is described).
by Imperium Anglorum » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:23 am
by Imperium Anglorum » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:35 am
Republic Denmark wrote:1. The inter-bankinglending rate is controlled by the central banks;
Republic Denmark wrote:2. The amount of debt is restricted. Consumers can’t lend more money then 4 times there total salary a year;
Republic Denmark wrote:3. The banks need to have 12% of their equity in the currency of the country where the bank is located. This could overcome problems if some of the investments are decreasing in value rapidly.
Republic Denmark wrote:4. Insurance companies and banks needed to have a license that they may sell their financial products.
Republic Denmark wrote:5. Employees in the financial sector need special certificates about the financial products.
Republic Denmark wrote:6. Insurance companies need a solvency rate of 150% or more to overcome major risks on insurance products.
Republic Denmark wrote:7. The people needs to be well informed by the banks and insurance companies. This will solve the problem that insurance companies and banks will only sell products to make profit without informing the customer about the risks.
by Imperium Anglorum » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:39 am
Republic Denmark wrote:Forbids member nations to deregulate the financial system that could cause major risks for the world economy and could destroy the financial system.
Republic Denmark wrote:Directs a World Assembly Stability Mechanism (WASM) to grant the safety of the financial system by the following measures:
1. The WASM will audit the financial sector of the member states;
2. The WASM will test the banks and insurance companies if they are solvent enough;
3. The WASM will do stress tests to ensure if the economy is failing the banking system is liquid and solvent enough to overcome the trouble.
Republic Denmark wrote:E. Tasks: the WASM with securing and safeguard the financial system and to eliminate the possibilities of a bank run that could cause major problems in the trust between banks and the people.
by Great Minarchistan » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:41 am
by Imperium Anglorum » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:47 am
Great Minarchistan wrote:Because if you want to lend $100000 to someone, you'll need to have a $150000 capital.
by Republic Denmark » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:48 am
Great Minarchistan wrote:This proposal is intended to wreck with the financial system or what? A 100% solvency rate is already impossible. 150% and nobody will give loans. Why? Because if you want to lend $100000 to someone, you'll need to have a $150000 capital. This is an absurd. While I dislike any solvency rate below the 50% mark, establish a value 3x bigger than that will either crash economic system or cause incredibly high interest rates. Regulation isn't the solution - in fact, governments are the ones who provoke banking bubbles most of the time - but yes deregulation. No subsidized federal loans, no bailouts with taxpayer's money, less bureaucracy and you are helping a lot already.
by Republic Denmark » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:50 am
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Great Minarchistan wrote:Because if you want to lend $100000 to someone, you'll need to have a $150000 capital.
Also, nobody would ever take loans, because if every dollar you borrow (the payments of which are a liability on your balance sheet, which over the period of that loan, is going to be more than the loan itself) has to be met with 100 pc backing, you already have the money to do self-financing and there is no reason to borrow.
by Imperium Anglorum » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:51 am
Republic Denmark wrote:If you know more about Insurance companies then you know that a Insurance company has always a solvency rate above 100% otherwise they can't pay their liabilities. Look at solvency 2 rules of the European Union.
Republic Denmark wrote:This solvency rate was only for Insurance companies look more clearly at the proposal.
by Republic Denmark » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:52 am
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Republic Denmark wrote:Forbids member nations to deregulate the financial system that could cause major risks for the world economy and could destroy the financial system.
So socialist states can no longer deregulate their industries. Perfect. Now WA law prevents socialist nations from reforming their economic system to a market model.Republic Denmark wrote:Directs a World Assembly Stability Mechanism (WASM) to grant the safety of the financial system by the following measures:
1. The WASM will audit the financial sector of the member states;
2. The WASM will test the banks and insurance companies if they are solvent enough;
3. The WASM will do stress tests to ensure if the economy is failing the banking system is liquid and solvent enough to overcome the trouble.
Considering this as a fixed cost that imposes falling costs as scale increases, why would such heavy-handed regulation not stop market entry that actually creates the stabilisation mechanisms which you seem to want?Republic Denmark wrote:E. Tasks: the WASM with securing and safeguard the financial system and to eliminate the possibilities of a bank run that could cause major problems in the trust between banks and the people.
Preventing bank runs is easy. Bail them out. The problem is trying to prevent the start of any bank run. That will never happen because the Nash equilibrium between any two depositors is always going to be 'run' and 'don't run'. There is never going to be a position where a rational depositor would allow other people to run and not run himself.
by Republic Denmark » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:54 am
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Republic Denmark wrote:If you know more about Insurance companies then you know that a Insurance company has always a solvency rate above 100% otherwise they can't pay their liabilities. Look at solvency 2 rules of the European Union.
Okay. So the EU does that. Why should the WA do that? I hear that a number of countries also have things like Electoral Colleges. I guess the WA must do it now! Some nations don't even have civil rights! I guess the WA must eliminate civil rights now!Republic Denmark wrote:This solvency rate was only for Insurance companies look more clearly at the proposal.
Okay. So why should insurance companies have these absurd 100 pc solvency ratios and why are insurance companies so different that they ought not be lumped with normal financial institutions?
by Great Minarchistan » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:55 am
Republic Denmark wrote:Great Minarchistan wrote:This proposal is intended to wreck with the financial system or what? A 100% solvency rate is already impossible. 150% and nobody will give loans. Why? Because if you want to lend $100000 to someone, you'll need to have a $150000 capital. This is an absurd. While I dislike any solvency rate below the 50% mark, establish a value 3x bigger than that will either crash economic system or cause incredibly high interest rates. Regulation isn't the solution - in fact, governments are the ones who provoke banking bubbles most of the time - but yes deregulation. No subsidized federal loans, no bailouts with taxpayer's money, less bureaucracy and you are helping a lot already.
If you know more about Insurance companies then you know that a Insurance company has always a solvency rate above 100% otherwise they can't pay their liabilities. Look at solvency 2 rules of the European Union.
by Imperium Anglorum » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:56 am
Republic Denmark wrote:To answer response to all you things its easy its the basics of the laws in the European Union to regulate the financial system. So its not really that bad if you are saying if this is the basics in the real world
by Imperium Anglorum » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:58 am
Republic Denmark wrote:ItThey aren't absurd percentages. I'm working in the Insuranceindymustryindustry they have all above 100% solvency otherwise they can't facetheretheir liabilities. Look it up if you want to know more about solvency rates. Look at the basic rules of solvency 1 and 2.
by Great Minarchistan » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:59 am
Republic Denmark wrote:Imperium Anglorum wrote:So socialist states can no longer deregulate their industries. Perfect. Now WA law prevents socialist nations from reforming their economic system to a market model.
Considering this as a fixed cost that imposes falling costs as scale increases, why would such heavy-handed regulation not stop market entry that actually creates the stabilisation mechanisms which you seem to want?
Preventing bank runs is easy. Bail them out. The problem is trying to prevent the start of any bank run. That will never happen because the Nash equilibrium between any two depositors is always going to be 'run' and 'don't run'. There is never going to be a position where a rational depositor would allow other people to run and not run himself.
To answer response to all you things its easy its the basics of the laws in the European Union to regulate the financial system. So its not really that bad if you are saying if this is the basics in the real world
by Republic Denmark » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:40 am
Great Minarchistan wrote:Republic Denmark wrote:
To answer response to all you things its easy its the basics of the laws in the European Union to regulate the financial system. So its not really that bad if you are saying if this is the basics in the real world
Isn't European Union in the brink of insolvency with lots of banks bankrupt? You are literally comparing a collapsing system with your proposal.
by Republic Denmark » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:44 am
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Republic Denmark wrote:ItThey aren't absurd percentages. I'm working in the Insuranceindymustryindustry they have all above 100% solvency otherwise they can't facetheretheir liabilities. Look it up if you want to know more about solvency rates. Look at the basic rules of solvency 1 and 2.
If you want to say that incoming cash flows ought meet outflows, say that. The Financial Times Lexicon says it is a "bank's capital as a percentage of what it lends".
by Great Minarchistan » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:15 am
Republic Denmark wrote:Great Minarchistan wrote:
Isn't European Union in the brink of insolvency with lots of banks bankrupt? You are literally comparing a collapsing system with your proposal.
These regulations are put up just to overcome the same situation in the future. This was intended with such kind of resolutions.
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