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Postby Ransium » Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:30 pm

Title: Trade of Endangered Organisms

Category: Environmental
Area of Impact: All Industries

The World Assembly,

Applauding its members' continued efforts on the preservation of endangered organisms,

Concerned that illegal collection and smuggling of endangered organisms could undermine preservation efforts,

Noting the loss of endangered species has the potential to cause extreme harm to member nations populations via the destruction or deterioration of ecosystem services, for example: hindering natural water and air filtration, hindering natural erosion control, destroying or causing a decline in the availability of food and other wild raw materials, and hindering the possible development of life saving medicines and industrial materials,

Hereby, subject to any limitations set by earlier resolutions that are still in force, including the fact that trade involving certain groups of organisms may already be covered separately by such legislation:

1. Instructs the World Assembly Endangered Species Committee (WAESC) and WA member nation's governments to cooperate with each other in creating and maintaining up-to-date lists of the populations of species and subspecies that qualify as 'Endangered';

2. Bans the international import and export into or from member nations of all organisms from endangered species or subspecies, and of goods derived wholly or in part from said organisms, unless any of the following exemptions applies:

  1. They are specimens or goods that are being collected or being returned as part of a scientifically run species restoration program;
  2. They are specimens or goods derived from specimens that originate from a non-wild source such as a farm, laboratory, or nursery, and are birthed, grown, or hatched from seeds, spores, eggs or other material, that itself was collected from a non-wild source or as part of a scientifically run species restoration program;
  3. They are commercial, scientific, or other goods that were derived from specimens under the guidance of a species restoration program and collected in a manner which does not further endanger the species;
  4. They are durable goods such as lumber, which can be historically or scientifically proven to have been processed before the species was first noted as being endangered by WAESC;
  5. They are unintentionally distributed reproductive or other microscopic materials such as seeds, pollen, eggs or spores in trace amounts that are in or on other trade goods;
3. Requires member nations to ardently enforce measures designed to stop the illegal collection and international trade of endangered species and products derived from them, within their jurisdictions;

4. Urges member nations to pass legislation preventing transporting and profiting from endangered species and products derived from them, within their own borders.

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Note for copy and paste ease I've moved the previous drafts to my first response in this thread.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:41 pm

Should probably go after the economic incentives here. Create a regulatory agency to which makes a list of some goods which contribute to the destruction of endangered species. For example, if there is a market for Snafu meat and we can breed Snafu, but Snafus are endangered, I have no issue with expansion of Snafu meat production. Doing so would lead to more of them being bred, which means that they will be shortly no longer endangered.

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Postby Tinfect » Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:50 pm

Ransium wrote:Noting the tangible benefits of endangered species preservation, such as the development of medicines, industrial materials,


"Ambassador, how exactly would preserving the existence of a species of little importance and number assist in the development of Medical and Industrial technologies?"

Ransium wrote:v) They are durable goods such as lumber, which can be historically or scientifically proven to have been processed before the species was declared endangered by WAESC and at least 99 years ago;


"This limitation seems to be entirely arbitrary. If the good has already been produced prior to the declaration of the species endangerment, it remains an entirely legally produced good, and, due to the specific limitations of the clause, cannot be used to the detriment or advancement of the species survival.

In any case, you appear to forget the importance of live specimens collected for study, a goal which may be equally important as many of the exemptions provided. We recommend that such language be added to future drafts."

Ransium wrote:4. Requests member nations ardently enforce measures designed stop illegal collection and trade in endangered species, and of products derived from these, within their jurisdictions.


"We see little reason for this clause to be non-mandatory, consider rectifying this, as Member-States should be required and expected to uphold and enforce their own laws.

Beyond this, the Imperium has few objections to this legislation, we see little reason to withhold support should our concerns be addressed."

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Should probably go after the economic incentives here. Create a regulatory agency to which makes a list of some goods which contribute to the destruction of endangered species. For example, if there is a market for Snafu meat and we can breed Snafu, but Snafus are endangered, I have no issue with expansion of Snafu meat production. Doing so would lead to more of them being bred, which means that they will be shortly no longer endangered.


OOC:
I think you have rather entirely missed the point of protection of endangered species.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:08 pm

Tinfect wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Should probably go after the economic incentives here. Create a regulatory agency to which makes a list of some goods which contribute to the destruction of endangered species. For example, if there is a market for Snafu meat and we can breed Snafu, but Snafus are endangered, I have no issue with expansion of Snafu meat production. Doing so would lead to more of them being bred, which means that they will be shortly no longer endangered.

OOC: I think you have rather entirely missed the point of protection of endangered species.

http://content.time.com/time/world/arti ... 71,00.html

What I wanted to note here is that animals which are currently endangered will quickly no longer be endangered if there are compelling economic incentives to keep them around.
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Postby Tinfect » Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:18 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1946471,00.html
What I wanted to note here is that animals which are currently endangered will quickly no longer be endangered if there are compelling economic incentives to keep them around.


OOC:
Well, in theory, sure, but I don't really think that it's the best of idea to, for example, start rounding up a species driven to endangerment because it had economic value, for the sole purpose of exploiting said economic value. And you do realize that we do rather intend to reintroduce most species to their native habitats, right? This would just incentivize captivity.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:25 pm

Tinfect wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1946471,00.html
What I wanted to note here is that animals which are currently endangered will quickly no longer be endangered if there are compelling economic incentives to keep them around.

OOC:
Well, in theory, sure, but I don't really think that it's the best of idea to, for example, start rounding up a species driven to endangerment because it had economic value, for the sole purpose of exploiting said economic value. And you do realize that we do rather intend to reintroduce most species to their native habitats, right? This would just incentivize captivity.

OOC: I see captivity as having little weight compared to extinction.

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Postby Tinfect » Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:25 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Tinfect wrote:OOC:
Well, in theory, sure, but I don't really think that it's the best of idea to, for example, start rounding up a species driven to endangerment because it had economic value, for the sole purpose of exploiting said economic value. And you do realize that we do rather intend to reintroduce most species to their native habitats, right? This would just incentivize captivity.

OOC: I see captivity as having little weight compared to extinction.


Tinfect wrote:OOC:
I think you have rather entirely missed the point of protection of endangered species.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:26 pm

Tinfect wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:OOC: I see captivity as having little weight compared to extinction.

Tinfect wrote:OOC:
I think you have rather entirely missed the point of protection of endangered species.

The point of protection is to prevent extinction. I think it's very salient. Or, if we take the example of some endangered sheep in the Andes — there were just a few hundred of them alive in the 1960s. Today, there are thousands. This is because people found a reason to keep them around: their wool is of the highest quality. Thus, they are no longer endangered. Another point for protection is to restore their number such that they no longer need to be protected. Instituting regulations which decrease the benefits to the primary actor of keeping an endangered animal around only means that there are fewer specimens.
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Postby Ransium » Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:35 pm

Edit: *Previous drafts*

Previous draft(s):
Title: Trade of Endangered Organisms

Category: Environmental
Area of Impact: All Industries

The World Assembly,

Applauding its members' continued efforts on the preservation of endangered organisms,

Concerned that illegal collection and smuggling of endangered organisms could undermine preservation efforts,

Noting the loss of endangered species has the potential to cause extreme harm to member nations populations; such as possibly hindering the development of life saving medicines and industrial materials, and the destruction of ecosystem services,

Hereby, subject to any limitations set by earlier resolutions that are still in force, including the fact that trade involving certain groups of organisms may already be covered separately by such legislation:

1. Instructs the World Assembly Endangered Species Committee (WAESC) and WA member nation's governments to cooperate with each other in creating and maintaining up-to-date lists of the populations of species and subspecies that qualify as 'Endangered';

2. Bans the international import and export into or from member nations of all organisms from endangered species or subspecies, and of goods derived wholly or in part from said organisms, unless any of the following exemptions applies:

  1. They are specimens or goods that are being collected or being returned as part of a scientifically run species restoration program;
  2. They are specimens or goods derived from specimens that originate from a non-wild source such as a farm, laboratory, or nursery, and are birthed, grown, or hatched from seeds, spores, eggs or other material, that itself was collected from a non-wild source or as part of a scientifically run species restoration program;
  3. They are commercial, scientific, or other goods that were derived from specimens under the guidance of a species restoration program and collected in a manner which does not further endanger the species;
  4. They are durable goods such as lumber, which can be historically or scientifically proven to have been processed before the species was first noted as being endangered by WAESC;
  5. They are unintentionally distributed reproductive or other microscopic materials such as seeds, pollen, eggs or spores in trace amounts that are in or on other trade goods;
3. Requires member nations to ardently enforce measures designed to stop the illegal collection and international trade of endangered species and products derived from them, within their jurisdictions;

4. Urges member nations to pass legislation preventing transporting and profiting from endangered species and products derived from them, within their own borders.

Co-authored by Bears Armed


Title: Trade of Endangered Organisms

Category: Moral Decency
Strength: Mild

The World Assembly,

Applauding its members' continued efforts on the preservation of endangered organisms,

Concerned that illegal collection and smuggling of endangered organisms could undermine preservation efforts,

Noting the loss of endangered species has the potential to cause extreme harm to member nations populations; such as possibly hindering the development of life saving medicines and industrial materials, and the destruction of ecosystem services,

Believing member nations have a moral obligation to make some accommodations to protect endangered non sentient organisms including prevention of illegal collection and smuggling;

Hereby, subject to any limitations set by earlier resolutions that are still in force, including the fact that trade involving certain groups of organisms may already be covered separately by such legislation:

1. Instructs the World Assembly Endangered Species Committee (WAESC) and WA member nation's governments to cooperate with each other in creating and maintaining up-to-date lists of the populations of species and subspecies that qualify as 'Endangered';

2. Bans the international import and export into or from member nations of all organisms from endangered species or subspecies, and of goods derived wholly or in part from said organisms, unless any of the following exemptions applies:

  1. They are specimens or goods that are being collected or being returned as part of a scientifically run species restoration program;
  2. They are specimens or goods derived from specimens that originate from a non-wild source such as a farm, laboratory, or nursery, and are birthed, grown, or hatched from seeds, spores, eggs or other material, that itself was collected from a non-wild source or as part of a scientifically run species restoration program;
  3. They are goods that were derived from specimens in a manner which does not further endanger the species and were collected purely for scientific purposes;
  4. They are durable goods such as lumber, which can be historically or scientifically proven to have been processed before the species was first noted as being endangered by WAESC;
  5. They are unintentionally distributed reproductive or other microscopic materials such as seeds, pollen, eggs or spores in trace amounts that are in or on other trade goods;
3. Requires member nations to ardently enforce measures designed to stop the illegal collection and international trade of endangered species and products derived from them, within their jurisdictions;

4. Urges member nations to pass legislation preventing transporting and profiting from endangered species and products derived from them, within their own borders.

Co-authored by Bears Armed


Title: Trade of Endangered Organisms

Category: Environmental
Industry Effected: All Business

The World Assembly,

Applauding its members' continued efforts on the preservation of endangered organisms,

Concerned that illegal collection and smuggling of endangered organisms could undermine preservation efforts,

Noting the loss of endangered species has the potential to cause extreme harm to member nations populations; such as possibly hindering the development of life saving medicines and industrial materials, and the destruction of ecosystem services,

Hereby, subject to any limitations set by earlier resolutions that are still in force, including the fact that trade involving certain groups of organisms may already be covered separately by such legislation,

1. Instructs the World Assembly Endangered Species Committee (WAESC) and WA member nation's governments to cooperate with each other in creating and maintaining up-to-date lists of the populations of species and subspecies that qualify as 'Endangered';

2. Bans the international import and export into or from member nations of all organisms from endangered species or subspecies, and of goods derived wholly or in part from said organisms, unless any of the following exemptions applies:

  1. They are specimens or goods that are being collected or being returned as part of a scientifically run species restoration program;
  2. They are specimens or goods derived from specimens that originate from a non-wild source such as a farm, laboratory, or nursery, and are birthed, grown, or hatched from seeds, spores, eggs or other material, that itself was collected from a non-wild source or as part of a scientifically run species restoration program;
  3. They are goods that were derived from specimens in a manner which does not further endanger the species and were collected purely for scientific purposes;
  4. They are durable goods such as lumber, which can be historically or scientifically proven to have been processed before the species was first noted as being endangered by WAESC;
  5. They are unintentionally distributed reproductive or other microscopic materials such as seeds, pollen, eggs or spores in trace amounts that are in or on other trade goods;
3. Requires member nations to ardently enforce measures designed to stop the illegal collection and international trade of endangered species and products derived from them, within their jurisdictions;

4. Urges member nations to pass legislation preventing transporting and profiting from endangered species and products derived from them, within their own borders.

Co-authored by Bears Armed

Title: Trade of Endangered Organisms

Category: Environmental
Industry Effected: All Business

The World Assembly,

Recognizing its members' continued commitment to the preservation of endangered organisms,

Noting the tangible benefits of endangered species preservation, such as the development of medicines, industrial materials, and ecosystem services, the loss of which has the potential to cause extreme harm to member nations populations,

Concerned that illegal collection and smuggling of endangered organisms could undermine preservation efforts,

Hereby, subject to any limitations set by earlier resolutions that are still in force, including the fact that trade involving certain groups of organisms may already be covered separately by such legislation,

1. Instructs WAESC (the World Assembly Endangered Species Committee) and WA member nations' governments to cooperate with each other in creating and maintaining up-to-date lists of species, and of local populations within species, that qualify as 'Endangered';

2. Bans the international import and export into or from member nations of all organisms from endangered species or local populations, and of goods derived wholly or partly from said organisms, except when any of the following exemptions apply:

i) They are specimens collected or being repatriated as part of a scientifically run species restoration program, or they are goods being imported or exported as part of a scientifically run restoration program;
ii) They are specimens which originate from a non-wild source such as a farm, laboratory, or nursery, and birthed or grown from seeds, spores, or other material, that itself was collected from either a non-wild source or as part of a species restoration program;
iii) They are goods derived from organisms that fall under exemption 'ii';
iv) They are goods that were derived from specimens in a manner which does not increase the species' endangerment and were collected purely for scientific or species restoration purposes;
v) They are durable goods such as lumber, which can be historically or scientifically proven to have been processed 10 years before the species was first noted as being endangered by WAESC;
vi) They are widely dispersed reproductive material such as pollen or reproductive spores which are present at incidental levels on other trade materials;

3. Urges member nations to pass legislation preventing the internal transport and monetization of endangered species and derived products within their own borders;

4. Requests member nations ardently enforce measures designed to stop illegal collection and trade of endangered species, and of products derived from endangered species, within their jurisdictions.

Co-authored by Bears Armed


Title: Trade of Endangered Organisms

Category: Environmental
Industry Effected: All Business

The World Assembly,

Recognizing its members' continued commitment to the preservation of endangered organisms,

Noting the tangible benefits of endangered species preservation, such as the development of medicines, industrial materials, and ecosystem services, the loss of which has the potential to cause extreme harm to member nations populations,

Concerned that illegal collection and smuggling of endangered organisms could undermine preservation efforts,

Hereby, subject to any limitations set by earlier resolutions that are still in force, including the fact that trade involving certain groups of organisms may already be covered separately by such legislation,

1. Instructs WAESC (the World Assembly Endangered Species Committee) and WA member nations' governments to cooperate with each other in creating and maintaining up-to-date lists of species, and of local populations within species, that qualify as 'Endangered';

2. Bans the international import and export into or from member nations of all endangered organisms or local populations, and of goods derived wholly or partly from said organisms, except when any of the following exemptions apply:

i) They are specimens collected or being repatriated as part of a scientifically run species restoration program, or they are goods being imported or exported as part of a scientifically run restoration program;
ii) They are specimens which originate from a non-wild source such as a farm, laboratory, or nursery, and birthed or grown from seeds, spores, or other material, that itself was collected from either a non-wild source or as part of a species restoration program;
iii) They are goods derived from organisms that fall under exemption 'ii';
iv) They are goods that were derived from specimens in a manner which does not increase the species' endangerment and were collected purely for scientific or species restoration purposes;
v) They are durable goods such as lumber, which can be historically or scientifically proven to have been processed 10 years before the species was first noted as being endangered by WAESC;
vi) They are widely dispersed reproductive material such as pollen or reproductive spores which are present at incidental levels on other trade materials;

3. Urges member nations to pass legislation preventing the internal transport and monetization of endangered species and derived products within their own borders;

4. Requests member nations ardently enforce measures designed to stop illegal collection and trade of endangered species, and of products derived from endangered species, within their jurisdictions.

Co-authored by Bears Armed[/box]


Title: Trade of Endangered Organisms

Category: Environmental
Industry Effected: All Business

The World Assembly,

Recognizing its members' continued commitment to the preservation of endangered organisms,

Noting the tangible benefits of endangered species preservation, such as the development of medicines, industrial materials, and ecosystem services, the loss of which has the potential to cause extreme harm to member nations populations,

Concerned that illegal collection and smuggling of endangered organisms could undermine preservation efforts,

Hereby, subject to any limitations set by earlier resolutions that are still in force, including the fact that trade involving certain groups of organisms may already be covered separately by such legislation,

1. Instructs WAESC (the World Assembly Endangered Species Committee) and WA member nations' governments to cooperate with each other in creating and maintaining up-to-date lists of species, and of local populations within species, that qualify as 'Endangered';

2. Bans the international import and export into or from member nations of all endangered organisms or local populations, and of goods derived wholly or partly from said organisms, except when any of the following exemptions apply:

i) They are specimens collected or being repatriated as part of a scientifically run species restoration program;
ii) They are specimens grown in a laboratory or nursery environment outside of their species' native range, and birthed or grown from seeds, spores, or other material, that itself was collected outside the species' native range;
iii) They are goods derived from organisms that fall under exemption 'ii';
iv) They are goods that were derived from specimens in a manner which does not increase the species' endangerment and were collected purely for scientific or species restoration purposes;
v) They are durable goods such as lumber, which can be historically or scientifically proven to have been processed 10 years before the species was first noted as being endangered by WAESC;
vi) They are widely dispersed reproductive material such as pollen or reproductive spores which are present at incidental levels on other trade materials;

3. Urges member nations to pass legislation preventing the internal transport and monetization of endangered species and derived products within their own borders;

4. Requests member nations ardently enforce measures designed stop illegal collection and trade of endangered species, and of products derived from endangered species, within their jurisdictions.

Co-authored by Bears Armed


Title: Trade of Endangered Organisms

Category: Environmental
Industry Effected: All Business

The World Assembly,

Recognizing its members' continued commitment to the preservation of endangered organisms,

Noting the tangible benefits of endangered species preservation, such as the development of medicines, industrial materials, and providing ecosystem services, the loss of which has the potential to cause extreme harm to member nations populations,

Concerned that illegal collection and smuggling of endangered organisms could undermine preservation efforts,

Hereby, subject to any limitations set by earlier resolutions that are still in force, including the fact that trade involving certain groups of organisms may already be covered separately by such legislation,

1. Instructs WAESC (the World Assembly Endangered Species Committee) and WA member nations' governments to cooperate with each other in creating and maintaining up-to-date lists of species, and of local populations within species, that qualify as 'Endangered';

2. Bans the international import and export into or from member nations of all endangered organisms, and of goods derived wholly or partly from said organisms, except when any of the following exemptions apply:

i) They are specimens collected or being repatriated as part of a scientifically run species restoration program;
ii) They are specimens grown in a laboratory or nursery environment outside of their species' native range, and birthed or grown from seeds, spores, or other material, that itself was collected outside the species' native range;
iii) They are goods derived from organisms that fall under exemption 'ii';
iv) They are goods that were derived from specimens in a manner which does not increase the species' endangerment and were collected purely for scientific purposes;
v) They are durable goods such as lumber, which can be historically or scientifically proven to have been processed before the species was declared endangered by WAESC and at least 99 years ago;
vi) They are widely dispersed reproductive material such as pollen or reproductive spores which are present at incidental levels on other trade materials;

3. Urges member nations to pass legislation preventing the internal transport and monetization of endangered species and derived products within their own borders;

4. Requests member nations ardently enforce measures designed stop illegal collection and trade in endangered species, and of products derived from these, within their jurisdictions.

Co-authored by Bears Armed


**Original response**

Tinfect wrote:"Ambassador, how exactly would preserving the existence of a species of little importance and number assist in the development of Medical and Industrial technologies?"

Compounds and derivatives could by synthesized from endangered organisms which have medically (or industrially) beneficial properties, once a species go extinct they will be much more difficult to synthesize. Also biomimicry of some aspect of engendered could also have potential to inspire medical or industrially beneficial inventions.

Tinfect wrote:"This limitation seems to be entirely arbitrary. If the good has already been produced prior to the declaration of the species endangerment, it remains an entirely legally produced good, and, due to the specific limitations of the clause, cannot be used to the detriment or advancement of the species survival.


Although that it is a bit arbitrary I don't dispute. It does help prevent the harvest of organisms immediately after declaration of endangerment and then claiming it was harvested before such declaration. It also is intended to be consistent with Sensible limits on hunting. Edit: Another fear of international trade of endangered organisms before listing is organisms will be further exploited for trade in anticipation of listing.

Tinfect wrote:In any case, you appear to forget the importance of live specimens collected for study, a goal which may be equally important as many of the exemptions provided. We recommend that such language be added to future drafts."


Sorry i) is meant to cover this. Am I missing a reason it is not? I do not want to allow the whole sale collection of endangered species for non-restoration reasons as this can be abused by not scrupulous nations.

Tinfect wrote:"We see little reason for this clause to be non-mandatory, consider rectifying this, as Member-States should be required and expected to uphold and enforce their own laws.


I would be fine making this change, I was trying to not be too violating of national sovereignty.

Tinfect wrote:Beyond this, the Imperium has few objections to this legislation, we see little reason to withhold support should our concerns be addressed."


Thanks for your discussion and tentative support.
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Postby Ransium » Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:21 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:The point of protection is to prevent extinction. I think it's very salient. Or, if we take the example of some endangered sheep in the Andes — there were just a few hundred of them alive in the 1960s. Today, there are thousands. This is because people found a reason to keep them around: their wool is of the highest quality. Thus, they are no longer endangered. Another point for protection is to restore their number such that they no longer need to be protected. Instituting regulations which decrease the benefits to the primary actor of keeping an endangered animal around only means that there are fewer specimens.


I would note that I feel 2 - i/ii allows for possibility of what your advocating. If harvest is a major source of threat, than it seems possible that such programs as you are advocating could reasonable be part of the species restoration efforts (for species were such efforts are possible, not everything can be grown/harvested in non-wild non-native settings). However, I think having this piece of legislation explicitly cover and create guidelines for what you are advocating for is not the way to go. Already this legislation is carefully threading a complex line of legality with several existing pieces of WA legislation, adding on what you are advocating would greatly further increase the complexity. Furthermore, it also would, IMO, significantly increase the controversial nature of this legislation, which I would prefer not to do, as I feel that banning the international trade of endangered organisms alone is both important and (I am personally hoping) relatively (on the curve of WA legislation) non-controversial.

I guess in summary I would say that if I properly understand what you are advocating for, such programs are not explicitly banned by this legislation. Going further to setting up guidelines for what you are advocating may be better done in a separate piece of legislation.

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Postby Ransium » Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:20 pm

Greetings %NATION%,

It is my opinion that endangered species are precious, not only for the inherent value of unique species existing in our world(s), but also the tangible values, such as improving water quality, providing the inspiration for medicine and industrial devices, among many other services that endangered organisms provide to ecosystems and sentient beings. These values are too great to not protect. But, did you know that under existing rules, the wood harvested from an endangered tree can subsequently be moved internationally and sold without restriction? I have drafted and submitted a resolution entitled “Trade of Endangered Organisms” that is intended to stop the trade of all endangered organisms, with some sensible exceptions.

This resolution does not stop movement of organisms across borders needed for restoration programs to effectively function, it does not stop the movement of products derived from non-wild specimens of an endangered organism, and it does not stop the movement of research samples. In essence, all movements and markets that are in the interest of the endangered species will remain unchanged.

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Then you can review the resolution for yourself and approve it if you choose. As a long time WA delegate myself, I know how many of these campaign telegrams we receive, so I appreciate you taking the time to read this one. Feel free to tg me if you have any additional questions.

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PS Some of you may recognize this as being very close to a resolution I submitted many months ago. That resolution was removed by the Gen Sec for a category violation. I have now placed the resolution in the recommended category.
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Postby Araraukar » Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:46 pm

Ransium wrote:otherwise I intend to submit this in the next 24-48 hours.

OOC: Such short timelimits are a bad idea. Most people in NS have real lives; work, school, etc., and some may only play during the week whereas others during the weekends. I would suggest you don't event think of submitting until earliest a week from now, to gain help and insight from as varied a group as possible. It's a bummer when you submit and start campaigning, then someone who hasn't been able to get on before then, logs in, points out an error that will force you to ask the mods to withdraw it. That tends to happen a lot more often when people are hasty about submitting.

There's a saying around here, "proposal writing is a marathon, not a sprint", and usually that holds true very well. (The exceptions can be some people who have passed several resolutions previously and make multiple drafts on their own before posting any here.)
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Postby Ransium » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:00 am

Araraukar wrote:
Ransium wrote:otherwise I intend to submit this in the next 24-48 hours.

OOC: Such short timelimits are a bad idea. Most people in NS have real lives; work, school, etc., and some may only play during the week whereas others during the weekends. I would suggest you don't event think of submitting until earliest a week from now, to gain help and insight from as varied a group as possible. It's a bummer when you submit and start campaigning, then someone who hasn't been able to get on before then, logs in, points out an error that will force you to ask the mods to withdraw it. That tends to happen a lot more often when people are hasty about submitting.

There's a saying around here, "proposal writing is a marathon, not a sprint", and usually that holds true very well. (The exceptions can be some people who have passed several resolutions previously and make multiple drafts on their own before posting any here.)


I'm happy to wait, I just haven't gotten any feedback since the first few minutes of posting, and I've triple posted before your comment. I welcome all feedback and will wait several more days before submitting.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:20 pm

Ransium wrote:I would note that I feel 2 - i/ii allows for possibility of what your advocating. If harvest is a major source of threat, than it seems possible that such programs as you are advocating could reasonable be part of the species restoration efforts (for species were such efforts are possible, not everything can be grown/harvested in non-wild non-native settings).

It only creates such an opportunity if such actions are taken outside its native zone. If, however, we believe that keeping this animal inside its native zone, where it would probably best survive, but using it for trade purposes, this resolution would explicitly prevent that. Moreover, preventing that would also simply lead to the loss of more endangered organisms, since a clear and effective motive in favour of preservation simply disappears.

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Postby Ransium » Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:51 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:It only creates such an opportunity if such actions are taken outside its native zone. If, however, we believe that keeping this animal inside its native zone, where it would probably best survive, but using it for trade purposes, this resolution would explicitly prevent that. Moreover, preventing that would also simply lead to the loss of more endangered organisms, since a clear and effective motive in favour of preservation simply disappears.


I agree to what your saying to some extent, but I do not think your model provides a one size fits all blanket for all endangered species. I think your 'monetization' may work for some species, but other species may be so rare, endemic, slow growing, have such a slow intrinsic population growth rate, have no direct economic value etc. that monetization would either not work or exasperate existing problems. Re-reading 'Endangered Species Protection' I do think your model could be legal under it, although I'm dubious whether the international trade of such organism is legal for ANIMALS (only) under 'Sensible limits on hunting'. Regardless I would hope that, considering the species is already endangered it is acceptable that this sort of monetization could only occur under the umbrella of an overall species restoration program. How about I modify i) to read:

i) They are specimens collected or being repatriated as part of a scientifically run species restoration program, or they are goods being imported or exported as part of a scientifically run restoration program;

I would strike species restoration from clause iv (which I added since the last draft).

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Postby Araraukar » Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:05 am

Perhaps you should define an endangered organism as one that doesn't live in captivity, to get around the "but we grow them on farms!"

OOC: Just because tigers are grown and bred (too often inbred) as over-grown pets in the USA, doesn't mean they weren't endangered and threatened in their wild habitats.
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Postby Ransium » Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:56 pm

Araraukar wrote:Perhaps you should define an endangered organism as one that doesn't live in captivity, to get around the "but we grow them on farms!"

OOC: Just because tigers are grown and bred (too often inbred) as over-grown pets in the USA, doesn't mean they weren't endangered and threatened in their wild habitats.


Perhaps the change in wording I already indicated in clause 1 plus chaging clause 2 to the following wording would do it:

ii) They are specimens which originate from a non-wild source such as a farm, laboratory, or nursery, and birthed or grown from seeds, spores, or other material, that itself was collected from either a non-wild source or as part of a species restoration program;

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Postby Ransium » Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:38 am

I've posted an updated draft with the changes I've outlined let me know what feedback you have now.

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Postby Ransium » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:53 pm

I would still appreciate additional feedback on this resolution if anyone has any... (bump)

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Postby Bears Armed Mission » Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:51 am

Ransium wrote:I would still appreciate additional feedback on this resolution if anyone has any... (bump)

I'll take another look at it later today, and post a reply tomorrow.
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Postby Whovian Tardisia » Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:37 am

Ransium wrote:4. Requests member nations ardently enforce measures designed to stop illegal collection and trade of endangered species, and of products derived from endangered species, within their jurisdictions.

OOC: just a little grammar quibble there, it doesn't make sense without that to.

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Postby Ransium » Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:16 am

Whovian Tardisia wrote:
Ransium wrote:4. Requests member nations ardently enforce measures designed to stop illegal collection and trade of endangered species, and of products derived from endangered species, within their jurisdictions.

OOC: just a little grammar quibble there, it doesn't make sense without that to.

IC: "We are satisfied with the restrictions and exemptions to such that are provided here. Whovian Tardisia will support this when it comes to vote."


Thanks for your tentative support. Just for a matter of record, given the change is both obvious and has no effect on the sentences intended meaning, I'm going to make this change now through edits without posting a new draft.

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Postby Ransium » Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:46 am

Update: Unless I receive major feedback in the intermittent period I'm looking at a submission date of ~11/18. Thanks to all who have commented thus far.

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Postby Bears Armed » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:19 am

I suggest changing clause 2 from
2. Bans the international import and export into or from member nations of all endangered organisms or local populations, and of goods derived wholly or partly from said organisms, except when any of the following exemptions apply:
to
2. Bans the international import and export into or from member nations of all organisms from endangered species or local populations, and of goods derived wholly or partly from said organisms, except when any of the following exemptions apply:
but otherwise it looks good to go.
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Postby Ransium » Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:40 am

Bears Armed wrote:I suggest changing clause 2 from
2. Bans the international import and export into or from member nations of all endangered organisms or local populations, and of goods derived wholly or partly from said organisms, except when any of the following exemptions apply:
to
2. Bans the international import and export into or from member nations of all organisms from endangered species or local populations, and of goods derived wholly or partly from said organisms, except when any of the following exemptions apply:
but otherwise it looks good to go.


Okay I'll make a new draft with this change. And I also wanted to say thank you for all your mentorship and help in writing this resolution. I would have never been able to do it without you, and regardless of the final outcome of this WA resolution I feel much more confident in WA rules and I feel like I could write and evaluate future WA resolutions at a much higher level now.

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