[Draft]Ban Foods of Unknown Origin

[Infigira]

Just a normal draft, got deleted for not fitting with the category. If anyone can comment to improve it, donuts to you!

Ban Foods of Unknown Origin
Category: Unknown
Strength: Mild

The General Assembly,

NOTICING the increased number of people eating food from dubious sources,

CONCERNED about the fact that you can acquire those food very easily in developing and undeveloped nations,

DISTURBED by the fact that those food consumers have a very high chance of getting food poisoning,

Hereby:
1. Defines:
"Food safety standards" as standards of any type of food that is not causing food poisoning.

2. Bans the production, providing and consumption of foods that is not possessing standards of food safety.

3. Bans businesses that is producing and providing foods that is not possessing standards of food safety.

4. Support the production, providing and consumption of foods that is possessing standards of food safety.

5. Support businesses that is producing and providing foods that is possessing standards of food safety.

6. Punishes the businesses that is producing and providing foods that is not possessing standards of food safety.

Edit: Fixed some parts. Still unsure what category it'll go in.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Look up what the words 'condone' and 'endorse' mean. I am also unsure whether this would go into a category at all. It certainly isn't of strong strength either.

You should read the rules: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=159348

[Infigira]

Look up what the words 'condone' and 'endorse' mean. I am also unsure whether this would go into a category at all. It certainly isn't of strong strength either.

You should read the rules: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... 9&t=159348

I fixed those definitions issues and fixed the strength but I am still unsure about the category.

[States of Glory WA Office]

3. Support the production, providing and consumption of foods that is not possessing standards of food safety.

Neville: This clause contradicts the rest of your proposal.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Also, what are these 'standards of food safety'?

[Infigira]

3. Support the production, providing and consumption of foods that is not possessing standards of food safety.

Neville: This clause contradicts the rest of your proposal.

Oops. I'll fix that later.

[Wallenburg]

NOTICING the increased number of people eating food from dubious sources,

"Since when? In Wallenburg, domestic food production has risen for decades, and we have not seen an increase in food imports in many years."

CONCERNED about the fact that you can acquire those food very easily in developing and undeveloped nations,

"Exactly how is it easy or even reasonable for the average citizen to leave their country to acquire food in another country and then return to their home country on a regular basis?"

DISTURBED by the fact that those food consumers have a very high chance of getting food poisoning,

"That a food is produced in a less developed country than your own does not mean the chances of suffering from food poisoning increase by any significant level."

Hereby:
1. Defines:
"Food safety standards" as standards of any type of food that is not causing food poisoning.

"What on earth does this mean?"

2. Bans the production, providing and consumption of foods that is not possessing standards of food safety.

3. Bans businesses that is producing and providing foods that is not possessing standards of food safety.

4. Support the production, providing and consumption of foods that is possessing standards of food safety.

5. Support businesses that is producing and providing foods that is possessing standards of food safety.

6. Punishes the businesses that is producing and providing foods that is not possessing standards of food safety.

"What are these 'standards of food safety', and why do you find the need to repeat yourself so much? Furthermore, your grammar needs serious work."

[Bears Armed]

"Exactly how is it easy or even reasonable for the average citizen to leave their country to acquire food in another country and then return to their home country on a regular basis?"

"I suppose that some people might do so in order to obtain certain foodstuffs that they want but that -- for one reason or another -- aren't available in their nation of residence: Immigrants wishing to be reminded of "the taste of home", and so on..."
"Note, by the way, that if the foodstuffs in question are meat obtained by hunting then GA Resolution #267 'Sensible Limits on Hunting' already addresses the setting of standards."

Artorrios o SouthWoods,
ChairBear, Bears Armed Mission at the World Assembly.

[Araraukar]

An existing resolution, Food and Drug Standards already regulates all food produced in member states, so by necessity this proposal could only affect food produced in non-member nations, which would mean that this proposal cannot touch on the food production itself, as legislating mandates for non-members is not allowed, thus further restricting this proposal to importing such food, which nearly invariably involves some sort of commercial operation. You'll then run into the National Economic Freedoms, which states this:

REQUIRES that no commerce be generally restricted by the WA unless:

1. Restricted by prior legislation, or
2. The enterprise causes an extreme hazard to national populations

I have a hard time believing that the occasional food poisoning is an extreme hazard to national populations.

[Calladan]

REQUIRES that no commerce be generally restricted by the WA unless:

1. Restricted by prior legislation, or
2. The enterprise causes an extreme hazard to national populations

I have a hard time believing that the occasional food poisoning is an extreme hazard to national populations.

I have a fairly active imagination and even I can't come up with a situation where that would be the case.

[Separatist Peoples]

REQUIRES that no commerce be generally restricted by the WA unless:

1. Restricted by prior legislation, or
2. The enterprise causes an extreme hazard to national populations

I have a hard time believing that the occasional food poisoning is an extreme hazard to national populations.

I have a fairly active imagination and even I can't come up with a situation where that would be the case.

OOC:It isn't actually that hard.

[Tahkranul]

I have a fairly active imagination and even I can't come up with a situation where that would be the case.

OOC:It isn't actually that hard.

OOC: Mad Cow in the 90s, numerous canned goods from China throughout the 90s and the aughts, wasn't there a peanut factory in the U.S. that had to shut down and do a national recall about five years ago? Oh! Spinach! About... eight to ten years ago spinach had a massive recall because of contamination. We had to pull all the quiche that had spinach in it in our Barnes & Noble cafe to assure customers that we weren't trying to kill them.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC:It isn't actually that hard.

OOC: Mad Cow in the 90s, numerous canned goods from China throughout the 90s and the aughts, wasn't there a peanut factory in the U.S. that had to shut down and do a national recall about five years ago? Oh! Spinach! About... eight to ten years ago spinach had a massive recall because of contamination. We had to pull all the quiche that had spinach in it in our Barnes & Noble cafe to assure customers that we weren't trying to kill them.

OOC: 'zactly. Food poisoning that has extreme impacts on a population is comparatively common, even in the face of modern development. It really isn't the kind of thing relegated to the third world or antiquity.

[Infigira]

NOTICING the increased number of people eating food from dubious sources,

"Since when? In Wallenburg, domestic food production has risen for decades, and we have not seen an increase in food imports in many years."

CONCERNED about the fact that you can acquire those food very easily in developing and undeveloped nations,

"Exactly how is it easy or even reasonable for the average citizen to leave their country to acquire food in another country and then return to their home country on a regular basis?"

DISTURBED by the fact that those food consumers have a very high chance of getting food poisoning,

"That a food is produced in a less developed country than your own does not mean the chances of suffering from food poisoning increase by any significant level."

Hereby:
1. Defines:
"Food safety standards" as standards of any type of food that is not causing food poisoning.

"What on earth does this mean?"

2. Bans the production, providing and consumption of foods that is not possessing standards of food safety.

3. Bans businesses that is producing and providing foods that is not possessing standards of food safety.

4. Support the production, providing and consumption of foods that is possessing standards of food safety.

5. Support businesses that is producing and providing foods that is possessing standards of food safety.

6. Punishes the businesses that is producing and providing foods that is not possessing standards of food safety.

"What are these 'standards of food safety', and why do you find the need to repeat yourself so much? Furthermore, your grammar needs serious work."

1. OOC: You can easily find these types of food in Vietnam, if you're there, you can find a pork that looks just like beef.
2. Yes, I know, my grammar really suck, sure that.
3. As I don't want to link a whole bunch of OOC stuff, I'll just leave it there explaining itself.

[Araraukar]

OOC: 'zactly. Food poisoning that has extreme impacts on a population is comparatively common, even in the face of modern development. It really isn't the kind of thing relegated to the third world or antiquity.

OOC: I guess I should count myself lucky, then, to live in a fairly sheltered (and food security paranoid) country... And yet I maintain that any WA nation that's brought to its knees by a simple food poisoning epidemic (against which we have certain "wonderful" resolutions ), should have a good hard look at its own food processing, storage, inspection and transportation systems, before blaming all such occasions on foreign non-WA imports, as food-spread pathogens often need suitable conditions to multiply enough to cause trouble...

3. As I don't want to link a whole bunch of OOC stuff, I'll just leave it there explaining itself.

Still OOC, as you reference "OOC stuff", so presuming you were talking out-of-character: That's not how resolutions work. If you're using terms like "food safety standards", you'll have to outline what they actually are. And "food not causing food poisoning" is not a safety standard.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: 'zactly. Food poisoning that has extreme impacts on a population is comparatively common, even in the face of modern development. It really isn't the kind of thing relegated to the third world or antiquity.

OOC: I guess I should count myself lucky, then, to live in a fairly sheltered (and food security paranoid) country... And yet I maintain that any WA nation that's brought to its knees by a simple food poisoning epidemic (against which we have certain "wonderful" resolutions ), should have a good hard look at its own food processing, storage, inspection and transportation systems, before blaming all such occasions on foreign non-WA imports, as food-spread pathogens often need suitable conditions to multiply enough to cause trouble...

3. As I don't want to link a whole bunch of OOC stuff, I'll just leave it there explaining itself.

Still OOC, as you reference "OOC stuff", so presuming you were talking out-of-character: That's not how resolutions work. If you're using terms like "food safety standards", you'll have to outline what they actually are. And "food not causing food poisoning" is not a safety standard.

OOC: The US has an incredibly uptight string of food-safety regulations and enforcement mechanisms, and incidents still occur. One doesn't the nation to be ground to a halt for there to be significant issues. Take, for example, the dairy issue I linked to. That affected 16 thousand people. There is no way there are that many hospital beds in the state of Illinois, had the bug's symptoms been a bit more aggressive. Its easy to overwhelm a health system locally with an acute outbreak, and the bigger it gets, the greater the impact.

Assuming most WA nations are on par with the US for strength of the health system, you still have a problem. Not that this proposal actually addresses it.

[Wallenburg]

"Exactly how is it easy or even reasonable for the average citizen to leave their country to acquire food in another country and then return to their home country on a regular basis?"

"I suppose that some people might do so in order to obtain certain foodstuffs that they want but that -- for one reason or another -- aren't available in their nation of residence: Immigrants wishing to be reminded of "the taste of home", and so on..."
"Note, by the way, that if the foodstuffs in question are meat obtained by hunting then GA Resolution #267 'Sensible Limits on Hunting' already addresses the setting of standards."

Artorrios o SouthWoods,
ChairBear, Bears Armed Mission at the World Assembly.

"I'm quite sure that most immigrants can get a 'taste of home' without crossing the border for groceries every other afternoon."

1. OOC: You can easily find these types of food in Vietnam, if you're there, you can find a pork that looks just like beef.
2. Yes, I know, my grammar really suck, sure that.
3. As I don't want to link a whole bunch of OOC stuff, I'll just leave it there explaining itself.

OOC: You don't seem to understand that I was speaking IC.

[Calladan]

OOC: I guess I should count myself lucky, then, to live in a fairly sheltered (and food security paranoid) country... And yet I maintain that any WA nation that's brought to its knees by a simple food poisoning epidemic (against which we have certain "wonderful" resolutions ), should have a good hard look at its own food processing, storage, inspection and transportation systems, before blaming all such occasions on foreign non-WA imports, as food-spread pathogens often need suitable conditions to multiply enough to cause trouble...


Still OOC, as you reference "OOC stuff", so presuming you were talking out-of-character: That's not how resolutions work. If you're using terms like "food safety standards", you'll have to outline what they actually are. And "food not causing food poisoning" is not a safety standard.

OOC: The US has an incredibly uptight string of food-safety regulations and enforcement mechanisms, and incidents still occur. One doesn't the nation to be ground to a halt for there to be significant issues. Take, for example, the dairy issue I linked to. That affected 16 thousand people. There is no way there are that many hospital beds in the state of Illinois, had the bug's symptoms been a bit more aggressive. Its easy to overwhelm a health system locally with an acute outbreak, and the bigger it gets, the greater the impact.

Assuming most WA nations are on par with the US for strength of the health system, you still have a problem. Not that this proposal actually addresses it.

Not that I wish to under play 16,000 people getting sick and 5 people dying, but the population of the USA in 1985 was 237.9 MILLION people (which is less than Calladan, for example). I would hardly call 0.0067% of the nation's population getting ill "the nation grinding to a halt".

[Tahkranul]

OOC: The US has an incredibly uptight string of food-safety regulations and enforcement mechanisms, and incidents still occur. One doesn't the nation to be ground to a halt for there to be significant issues. Take, for example, the dairy issue I linked to. That affected 16 thousand people. There is no way there are that many hospital beds in the state of Illinois, had the bug's symptoms been a bit more aggressive. Its easy to overwhelm a health system locally with an acute outbreak, and the bigger it gets, the greater the impact.

Assuming most WA nations are on par with the US for strength of the health system, you still have a problem. Not that this proposal actually addresses it.

Not that I wish to under play 16,000 people getting sick and 5 people dying, but the population of the USA in 1985 was 237.9 MILLION people (which is less than Calladan, for example). I would hardly call 0.0067% of the nation's population getting ill "the nation grinding to a halt".

OOC: It's not just the the number of people who get sick that affects things. Panic is very easy to see set in, and rather difficult to stave off. I don't remember anything from this dairy incident in '85 because I was just 3 at the time. Now, the spinach incident when I was working at B&N, if I recall correctly was entirely in spinach shipped across the nation from California. However, even in Pennsylvania, all the spinach was being pulled from every grocery and restaurant because everybody was scared of getting sick. Even when the emergency was declared over, there was very little interest in eating spinach again because people were still scared and suspicious.

[Imperium Anglorum]

OOC: Calladan, this isn't a sinking ship. We don't have hospital beds set aside for literally everyone. If we did, then there would be no space for anything that isn't a hospital. Just because the proportion of the population is low doesn't mean that it doesn't overwhelm health systems.

[Bears Armed]

OOC: 'contaminated' food imports might also start epidemics among the nation's domestic livestock. There was a case here in the the UK, with a "bad" ham sandwich that somebody gave to a pig being blamed for starting an outbreak that killed a number of animals, a few years ago...

[Calladan]

My apologies

[States of Glory WA Office]

OOC: Assuming most WA nations are on par with the US for strength of the health system

OOC: Thanks to GA #97 a.k.a Quality in Health Services, I think it's fair to say that most WA nations are ahead of the US when it comes to healthcare.

P.S. It took me forever to dig up that resolution. Did the Health category not exist back then?

[Imperium Anglorum]

P.S. It took me forever to dig up that resolution. Did the Health category not exist back then?

Health resolutions used to be sneaked in via the Social Justice category.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: Assuming most WA nations are on par with the US for strength of the health system

OOC: Thanks to GA #97 a.k.a Quality in Health Services, I think it's fair to say that most WA nations are ahead of the US when it comes to healthcare.

P.S. It took me forever to dig up that resolution. Did the Health category not exist back then?

OOC: American healthcare is some of the best in the world. Paying for it is debatable, but the US is unquestionably one of, if not the, most advanced healthcare entities in the world. And, thanks to the quiet but present specter of biological warfare with the Soviets, we have the means of dealing with hugely catastrophic health events, but it comes at a very great cost, so shit like the food poisoning doesn't get the same treatment.

Quality in Health Services deals primarily with access and not medical advancement or even quality. It deals with raising the lower end of the spectrum, not improving the upper end.