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[Passed] Repeal "Quarantine Regulation"

Postby Umeria » Sun Sep 04, 2016 6:53 pm

This is a repeal of this resolution. [replacement effort here]
The World Assembly,

Understanding that the logistics of quarantines raise many issues due to the individual's needs conflicting with society's;

Acknowledging that the resolution puts a number of measures into place which fixes some of these issues and improves the standards of quarantines;

Regretting that 385 GA fails to cover many issues involving medical ethics and medicine within a quarantine;

Questioning whether the resolution's four point definition of "treatment" is malleable enough to cover untested methods or procedures;

Concerned that 385 GA requires any appropriate treatment available to be given to infected persons regardless of whether the treatment would, as a side effect, permanently cripple the person;

Unsettled by the resolution's mandate to put infected persons in the nearest quarantine to them, causing drastic displacement if a person happened to be far away from their home at the time;

Distraught by 385 GA's complete lack of information on what constitutes appropriate force when restraining infected persons attempting to escape a quarantine;

Believing that the resolution does not properly address these matters, and skims many central issues on the topic of quarantines;

Worried that 385 GA makes it extremely difficult to pass further legislation on ethical problems as pertaining to quarantines;

Hoping to clear the hastiness of the resolution from these halls and pass a new resolution that fills the gaping hole 385 GA created;

Hereby repeals "Quarantine Regulation".
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Postby Louisistan » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:30 am

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:44 am

Louisistan wrote:"Wait, what? Are you implying the possibility of an epidemic of mental illnesses? Care to go into more details? I was under the assumption that mental illnesses such as depression were not contagious."

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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:41 am

Why repeal your legislation, and one for a good cause?
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:50 am

Outer Sparta wrote:Why repeal your legislation, and one for a good cause?

"Because it failed to address any of the ethical components of a quarantine."

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:53 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:Why repeal your legislation, and one for a good cause?

Basically to move towards a better solution, which, due to duplication concerns, the original resolution blocks. To Umeria, I can again guarantee campaigning, approval, and voting support on the behalf of the region, so long as I am Delegate.

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Postby Herby » Tue Sep 06, 2016 6:59 am

Hoo boy, just wait 'til the author of that resolution gets a load of these argu wait wait wait WHAT?

So ehhhhhhhhhhh at what point did you realize your OWN resolution was flawed? 'Cause you really coulda had it withdrawn and fixed it before it went to vote ya know. Jus' sayin'.
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Postby Cogoria » Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:10 am

Cogoria sees no reason to repeal the current legislation. The current wording permits our nation to continue to deal with epidemics in our tried and tested ways. Introducing further levels of bureaucracy will only slow down the systems in place, putting more lives than necessary at risk.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:39 am

Herby wrote:Hoo boy, just wait 'til the author of that resolution gets a load of these argu wait wait wait WHAT?

So ehhhhhhhhhhh at what point did you realize your OWN resolution was flawed? 'Cause you really coulda had it withdrawn and fixed it before it went to vote ya know. Jus' sayin'.


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Cogoria wrote:Cogoria sees no reason to repeal the current legislation. The current wording permits our nation to continue to deal with epidemics in our tried and tested ways. Introducing further levels of bureaucracy will only slow down the systems in place, putting more lives than necessary at risk.


"The ambassador of Cogoria has failed to read the minutes surrounding the original resolution, then. The previous resolution's gaps allow nations to commit atrocities at worst, and unethical behavior at best, in the interest of maintaining quarantine."

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Postby Cogoria » Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:14 pm

Many of our means may be considered unethical by ignorant foreigners, the needs if the many outweigh the lives of the few. The proud patriots of our nation have given their lives in the past, and will gladly do so again

((Ooc I did raise the point that the legislation when it was being drafted permitted unrestricted culling of infected populations.....))
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Postby Kryozerkia » Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:28 pm

I must wonder though... why didn't you make a request to withdraw the original when it was submitted/in-queue? You had ample time.
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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Tue Sep 06, 2016 3:40 pm

Cogoria wrote:Cogoria sees no reason to repeal the current legislation. The current wording permits our nation to continue to deal with epidemics in our tried and tested ways. Introducing further levels of bureaucracy will only slow down the systems in place, putting more lives than necessary at risk.

Neville: Repeal. The. Resolution. Now.

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Postby Umeria » Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:14 pm

Kryozerkia wrote:I must wonder though... why didn't you make a request to withdraw the original when it was submitted/in-queue? You had ample time.

It was at vote when Bell spoke up. I was asking if anyone had any more objections for about a month after my final edits, and Bell comes in just as it comes to vote. Typical. Of my luck, I mean, not of Bell.
States of Glory WA Office wrote:Neville: Repeal. The. Resolution. Now.

Fairburn: Why did you pause after every word?

Neville: Dramatic effect.

Well, if no one has any edit suggestions in the next, say, 5 days, then I will submit.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:03 pm

Umeria wrote:
Kryozerkia wrote:I must wonder though... why didn't you make a request to withdraw the original when it was submitted/in-queue? You had ample time.

It was at vote when Bell spoke up. I was asking if anyone had any more objections for about a month after my final edits, and Bell comes in just as it comes to vote. Typical. Of my luck, I mean, not of Bell.
States of Glory WA Office wrote:Neville: Repeal. The. Resolution. Now.

Fairburn: Why did you pause after every word?

Neville: Dramatic effect.

Well, if no one has any edit suggestions in the next, say, 5 days, then I will submit.

OOC: I raise that issue before it was at vote. I'm even certain I raised it prior to it being submitted. I became vocal about it after it went to vote. Big difference.

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Postby Umeria » Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:55 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:I raise that issue before it was at vote.

No, you didn't. Before the voting you were like "Hey, you have an opportunity to make a medical ethics board about this. Could solve a lot of issues regarding disease control". I thought "Eh, I'll just stick to the basics for now". I said as much, but got no response. When it got to vote you were like "This resolution has a gaping hole in it because it doesn't have an ethics board. Without an ethics board you can't cover this and this and this".
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:13 am

Umeria wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:I raise that issue before it was at vote.

No, you didn't. Before the voting you were like "Hey, you have an opportunity to make a medical ethics board about this. Could solve a lot of issues regarding disease control". I thought "Eh, I'll just stick to the basics for now". I said as much, but got no response. When it got to vote you were like "This resolution has a gaping hole in it because it doesn't have an ethics board. Without an ethics board you can't cover this and this and this".

OOC: that's what raising the issue is. I just didn't get vocal until after. The criticism was there, you chose to ignore it.

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Postby Araraukar » Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:22 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: that's what raising the issue is. I just didn't get vocal until after. The criticism was there, you chose to ignore it.

OOC: For what it's worth, SP did raise the issue earlier, but you went through a period of not listening to advice, and by the time you started to, I think he'd given up on getting through to you.
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Postby Frustrated Franciscans » Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:56 am

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Brother Maynard: "After due consideration and with due preference to the author's wishes, we cannot support this repeal. It seems to be nit picking for the sake of nit picking. It also seems that the author wants to get three resolutions under his belt for the price of one."
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Postby Cogoria » Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:13 am

((Ooc:While you deny SP highlighting the issue i certainly did with my Nation's colourful and violent interpretation))

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Frustrated Franciscans wrote:
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Brother Maynard: "After due consideration and with due preference to the author's wishes, we cannot support this repeal. It seems to be nit picking for the sake of nit picking. It also seems that the author wants to get three resolutions under his belt for the price of one."

OOC: That is hardly fair, considering the controversy has been plastered across three threads.

IC: "Based on the sheer amount of fight I've had with the author over this, ambassador, I hardly think the Umerian ambassador can be accused of taking a shortcut to multiple resolutions."

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Cogoria wrote:((Ooc:While you deny SP highlighting the issue i certainly did with my Nation's colourful and violent interpretation))

It was an excellent way of demonstrating your point.
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Postby Umeria » Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:50 pm

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Araraukar wrote:OOC: For what it's worth, SP did raise the issue earlier, but you went through a period of not listening to advice, and by the time you started to, I think he'd given up on getting through to you.

That's ridiculous. I took all his other advice he gave in the same post. When he mentioned an ethics board I thought he just meant the clause 1 definition. Since SP didn't say anything else until the vote, I had thought I made the right decision.
Cogoria wrote:((Ooc:While you deny SP highlighting the issue i certainly did with my Nation's colourful and violent interpretation))

You also only spoke up when it got to vote. I can't GHR remove at the voting stage, can I?
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:18 pm

Umeria wrote:You also only spoke up when it got to vote. I can't GHR remove at the voting stage, can I?

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Well, you can... I don't think it's ever been done that way though. But mods do have the discard function.
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Postby Umeria » Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:23 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Umeria wrote:You also only spoke up when it got to vote. I can't GHR remove at the voting stage, can I?

OOC:
Well, you can... I don't think it's ever been done that way though. But mods do have the discard function.

[mumbles incoherently] If I had known that, I would have done it.
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