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[PASSED] Repeal "Sexual Health and Education Act"

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[PASSED] Repeal "Sexual Health and Education Act"

Postby Vancouvia » Sat Mar 12, 2016 11:10 am




The World Assembly,

Recognizing the aim of Resolution #359 to attempt to give students a sexual education;

Yet concerned about the many flaws of Resolution #359, including that it:

I. Ignores that this World Assembly is made up of a variety of species, including ones that do not have puberty, ones that do not have any form of sex or gender, and ones that would have no use learning "human anatomy" instead of their own species' anatomy;

II. Arbitrarily sets age brackets for various topics of sexual education to be taught, without reference to the fact that even human children enter puberty at a wide range of ages;

III. Allows students to be exempt from the entire course and have to take a "standard health course" instead, but fails to mention any difference between the two courses, or even what in vague terms a standard health course would cover;

IV. Permits only parents to exempt students from the sexual curriculum, ignoring the plethora of children in our member states who have a guardian instead of a parent;

V. Exempts private schools entirely, allowing nations which do not make use of public schooling to fail to educate students on sexual health at all;

Declaring that these numerous flaws yield to a superfluous, vague, disagreeable, and narrow resolution;

Hereby repeals "General Assembly Resolution #359, Sexual Health and Education Act"



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Postby Floor 448 » Sat Mar 12, 2016 11:32 am

I see someone has already jumped at the idea of a free number increase on their badge. Just a thought, though:
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[list=I][*]First item[*]Second item[*]Third item[*]And so on[/list]

Becomes:
  1. First item
  2. Second item
  3. Third item
  4. And so on
This I know works in proposals.

Also, I'm not sure spoilers work in WA proposals, but if they do, I think you should use one, just for the sake of using spoiler tags in proposals. Something like putting the flaws in a spoiler marked "list of flaws" or something.

EDIT: just checked; they do.
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Postby Vancouvia » Sat Mar 12, 2016 11:37 am

Floor 448 wrote:I see someone has already jumped at the idea of a free number increase on their badge. Just a thought, though:
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[list=I][*]First item[*]Second item[*]Third item[*]And so on[/list]

Becomes:
  1. First item
  2. Second item
  3. Third item
  4. And so on
This I know works in proposals.

Also, I'm not sure spoilers work in WA proposals, but if they do, I think you should use one, just for the sake of using spoiler tags in proposals. Something like putting the flaws in a spoiler marked "list of flaws" or something.

EDIT: just checked; they do.


I can use the list function, but I don't think putting a spoiler in a resolution would be a good idea....

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Postby United Great Britian » Sat Mar 12, 2016 11:56 am

I would support due to the plethora of flaws in the act.
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Postby We Couldnt Agree On A Name » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:13 pm

I see few problems with this resolution and certainty appreciate the use of numbered clauses.
I would like it if they didn't all start with the phrase "The fact that it."
You might want to mention that clause 4 of the SHEA can be interpreted to block nations from mandating sexual education in private schools. I don't particularly agree with this interpretation but it's out there.

Floor 448 wrote:I see someone has already jumped at the idea of a free number increase on their badge.

I'm sure these types of cynical comments are super helpful.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:30 pm

You can expect full support from the Wallenburgian delegation on this repeal, should it be necessary. However, it could do with some changes. In particular, your repetition of "the fact that it" is worthlessly redundant. "The fact that" is a pointless phrase that weakens the style and flow of writing. I highly suggest removing "the fact that" from all clauses, and editing accordingly.
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Postby Vancouvia » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:31 pm

I can change it to start with "It..." or "This resolution..."

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Postby Republic of the Northern Lands » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:32 pm

I am unable to find an official listing for Resolution #359.

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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:35 pm

Vancouvia wrote:I can change it to start with "It..." or "This resolution..."

"This resolution" may be confused with the repeal itself, rather than the target. "It" or "the target resolution" works well.
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Postby Vancouvia » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:35 pm

Republic of the Northern Lands wrote:I am unable to find an official listing for Resolution #359.


I give the current resolution a 99% chance that it will pass, and if it does it will become 359, which this will then repeal.

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Postby We Couldnt Agree On A Name » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:26 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Vancouvia wrote:I can change it to start with "It..." or "This resolution..."

"This resolution" may be confused with the repeal itself, rather than the target. "It" or "the target resolution" works well.


How about

Vancouvia wrote:Recognizing the aim of General Assembly Resolution #359 to attempt to give students a sexual education;

Yet concerned by the fact that Resolution #359:

I. Ignores that this World Assembly is made up of a variety of species, including ones that do not have puberty, ones that do not have any form of sex or gender, and ones that would have no use learning "human anatomy" instead of their own species' anatomy; Arbitrarily sets age brackets for various types of sexual education to be taught, without reference to the fact that even human children enter puberty at a wide range of ages;

II. Arbitrarily sets age brackets for various types of sexual education to be taught, without reference to the fact that even human children enter puberty at a wide range of ages;

III. Allows students to be exempt from the entire course and have to take a "standard health course" instead, but fails to mention any difference between the two courses, or even what in vague terms a standard health course would cover;

IV. Allows only parents to exempt students from the sexual curriculum, ignoring the plethora of children in our member states who have a guardian instead of a parent;

V. Allows nations which do not make use of public schooling to fail to educate students on sexual health at all;

Declaring that these numerous flaws yield to an unnecessary, vague, disagreeable, and narrow resolution;

Hereby repeals General Assembly Resolution #359 Sexual Health and Education Act


I also switched clause I and II since the objection to the age brackets is much more powerful when you already have the context of the WA being made of many species and changed "aware" to "concerned".
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Postby Vancouvia » Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:45 pm

Thanks man

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:11 pm

OOC: I was going to draft a repeal (then hand it over to someone else), but then I saw this come up. I would recommend to allow someone who hasn't yet participated as heavily and does not have a badge to do the insta-repeal. Instant repeals have a pretty high chance of passing as long as they are well argued and this is a perfect time and place to get more people involved in the World Assembly.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:26 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:OOC: I was going to draft a repeal (then hand it over to someone else), but then I saw this come up. I would recommend to allow someone who hasn't yet participated as heavily and does not have a badge to do the insta-repeal. Instant repeals have a pretty high chance of passing as long as they are well argued and this is a perfect time and place to get more people involved in the World Assembly.

OOC: this is a meritocracy. Free resolutions aren't handed out. Authorship favors the clever, and nobody should have to hand off an easy draft just because an inexperienced player wants an was win.

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Postby Vancouvia » Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:29 pm

If anyone wants any help with any part of the process, they can feel free to TG me and I'll help them out. I've had this offer for several months and no one has ever TG'd me before other than asking for approvals of mostly illegal proposals.

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Postby We Couldnt Agree On A Name » Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:42 pm

Off topic:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:OOC: I was going to draft a repeal (then hand it over to someone else), but then I saw this come up. I would recommend to allow someone who hasn't yet participated as heavily and does not have a badge to do the insta-repeal. Instant repeals have a pretty high chance of passing as long as they are well argued and this is a perfect time and place to get more people involved in the World Assembly.

Isn't that plagiarism? Or is it okay if you get permission?
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Postby Traitor Legions » Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:51 pm

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:52 pm

We Couldnt Agree On A Name wrote:Off topic:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:OOC: I was going to draft a repeal (then hand it over to someone else), but then I saw this come up. I would recommend to allow someone who hasn't yet participated as heavily and does not have a badge to do the insta-repeal. Instant repeals have a pretty high chance of passing as long as they are well argued and this is a perfect time and place to get more people involved in the World Assembly.

Isn't that plagiarism? Or is it okay if you get permission?

OOC: with permission it's OK

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Postby Vivelia » Sun Mar 13, 2016 12:28 am

If this would go through i would hope for antither resulotion with the recognized flaws it the resulotion found.
Will support either way.

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Postby Bears Armed » Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:19 am

Vancouvia wrote:I. Ignores that this World Assembly is made up of a variety of species, including ones that do not have puberty, ones that do not

OOC: By effectively requiring that people recognise this aspect of RP, this might count as illegal for Meta-gaming.
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Postby Vancouvia » Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:30 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Vancouvia wrote:I. Ignores that this World Assembly is made up of a variety of species, including ones that do not have puberty, ones that do not

OOC: By effectively requiring that people recognise this aspect of RP, this might count as illegal for Meta-gaming.


Multiple other proposals have referenced non-humans. Repeal "Protection of Sapient Rights" for example

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Postby Wrapper » Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:52 am

Relevant precedent can be found here:

viewtopic.php?p=4489278#p4489278

If a proposal tries to create a roleplay scenario that all WA members have to take part in, it's forced roleplay; that's metagaming.

Vancouvia wrote:Multiple other proposals have referenced non-humans. Repeal "Protection of Sapient Rights" for example

Can you point to me which clause of that repeal forces roleplay? The very first line includes the phrase "wherever they may exist", making it possible for a player to completely ignore any roleplay involving sapient non-human species if they don't exist in their world.

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Postby Vancouvia » Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:54 am

Wrapper wrote:Relevant precedent can be found here:

viewtopic.php?p=4489278#p4489278

If a proposal tries to create a roleplay scenario that all WA members have to take part in, it's forced roleplay; that's metagaming.

Vancouvia wrote:Multiple other proposals have referenced non-humans. Repeal "Protection of Sapient Rights" for example

Can you point to me which clause of that repeal forces roleplay? The very first line includes the phrase "wherever they may exist", making it possible for a player to completely ignore any roleplay involving sapient non-human species if they don't exist in their world.


This proposal doesn't force roleplay.

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Postby Wrapper » Sun Mar 13, 2016 7:01 am

Vancouvia wrote:This proposal doesn't force roleplay.

I didn't say whether it does or it doesn't, I was just citing precedent, so you'll know exactly what to avoid. I'll give my opinion on legality and content in-character soon.

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Postby Wrapper » Sun Mar 13, 2016 8:07 am

Never mind, going to address the metagaming question OOC, since I can't really do it IC.

Vancouvia wrote:I. Ignores that this World Assembly is made up of a variety of species, including ones that do not have puberty, ones that do not have any form of sex or gender, and ones that would have no use learning "human anatomy" instead of their own species' anatomy;

II. Arbitrarily sets age brackets for various types of sexual education to be taught, without reference to the fact that even human children enter puberty at a wide range of ages;

Clause I does sound to me like it forces roleplay on players who don't want to roleplay that sapient bears, unicorns, ferrets, zooplankton, etc., exist in the WA. If you take out this clause entirely, how much does it affect the strength of your argument? Perhaps not very much. I would think those RPing non-humans are already yelling "Speciest!" at the target's author, and will vote for your repeal anyway.

Clause II comes perilously close to doing the same thing, though that's easily fixed by striking out the words "even human", yielding: Arbitrarily sets age brackets for various types of sexual education to be taught, without reference to the fact that children enter puberty at a wide range of ages. That shouldn't affect your argument at all, since it's true in real life.

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