To WA Delegates

[The Northern States of North America]

Hello all,
Please consider approving the following repeal:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1453956219

If approved, it can go to the floor. That's all I am asking for, by approving it, it isn't guaranteed to pass. The main goal of the repeal is to open up an opportunity for a new resolution concerning torture can be created. So please allow this repeal a chance to go through so that a new resolution can be voted upon:)!
Thank you!

[The Silver Sentinel]

You mean this repeal?

GENERAL ASSEMBLY PROPOSAL
ID: the_northern_states_of_north_america_1453956219

Repeal "Prevention of Torture"

A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.


Category: Repeal

Resolution: GA#9

Proposed by: The Northern States of North America

Description: WA General Assembly Resolution #9: Prevention of Torture (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Strong) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: To the General Assembly of the World Assembly,

1. Acknowledging that "‘Torture’ is defined as an act of intentionally inflicting pain, severe discomfort or suffering on a person for the purposes of intimidation, coercion, personal punishment or interrogation, or to extract information, confession or concession to demands from them, or any other person, where committed with the approval or assistance of a government official or person acting in such capacity."
2. Disagreeing that all measures of torture should be banned. Torture should not be qualified as "confinement to dark quarters and or use of a hood during interrogation." Will our Governments need to provide money for better lighting? Will our Police need to fear prosecution because they use a dim light room and a hood light for interrogation? It is also stated that torture is maintaining "uncomfortable positions" and "stress positions". What even defines a stress position? This: "Attempts to reduce physical or mental capacity, even where not causing pain or severe discomfort or suffering," does not even make sense. If a country doesn't provide enough education, will they be considered tortures for lowering the mental capacity of others? Clause #2 is just too vague.
3. Questioning who deemed all torture a "crime against humanity?" Most torture situations are used against people who commit true Crimes against Humanity, such as but not limited to, murder, genocide, terrorism, serial rape, and conspiracy.
4. Stressing that clause #4 is flawed. If a member nation refuses to give up a criminal to another country, that could cause a war. Is the death of many people really worth preventing the torture (not necessarily death) of one CRIMINAL?
5. Confused as to why Clauses #5, #6, and #8 are essentially just repeating the same thing. Clause #5 bans torture so why would a nation "take effective action to prevent acts of torture within their jurisdiction? (Clause #6)" Isn't their jurisdiction, their nation? Again, Clause #8 says, "An order to commit torture is a manifestly illegal order." THIS WAS ALREADY ESTABLISHED in Clause #5.
6. Alarmed that "Member nations may not invoke extraordinary circumstances, such as armed conflict, state of emergency or civil unrest, to justify acts of torture." If you know that an enemy has information that could save the lives of your nation's citizens, why wouldn't it be okay to use torture methods to save your people??
7. Dismissing Clause #9 as being able to be valid, because it says, "persons having responsibility for persons facing interrogation... shall... not perform torture." According to Clause #1, "‘Torture’ is defined as an act of... severe discomfort... for the purposes of... interrogation." Therefore, anyone who interrogates someone is a torturer, if the "victim" feels uncomfortable! Who would be comfortable being interrogated?
8. Concerned that victims of torture need to be paid compensation by the government, and also have the government pay for medical treatment. "Victims of torture have the right to suitable compensation, including the coverage of all medical expenses incurred as a result of torture." Since there are so many things determined as "torture," that aren't too severe.

That not a repeal. That is a blog at best and is illegal. I really hope you didn't waste stamps on it. Next time, post a draft first.

[The Sheika]

Hello all,
Please consider approving the following repeal:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1453956219

If approved, it can go to the floor. That's all I am asking for, by approving it, it isn't guaranteed to pass. The main goal of the repeal is to open up an opportunity for a new resolution concerning torture can be created. So please allow this repeal a chance to go through so that a new resolution can be voted upon:)!
Thank you!

A good place to start would have been drafting your repeal here in the GA forum. Had you taken that route, you could have been given valuable feedback that would have helped your cause go a little further. On top of suggestions to improve your repeal, you would have also received beneficial information in regards to illegalities and so on. It's perfectly okay that you want to make a name for yourself in the festering snake pit but one must learn how to go about it first in order to be successful.

That said, your repeal comes across more as a blog and as pointed out by The Silver Sentinel, it is illegal.

[The Northern States of North America]

Ok, so if it doesn't get the approval votes as it is now because it isn't a correct repeal, how do I go about it correctly? I thought that for repeal you had to have reasons for wanting it removed?

[The Silver Sentinel]

Ok, so if it doesn't get the approval votes as it is now because it isn't a correct repeal, how do I go about it correctly? I thought that for repeal you had to have reasons for wanting it removed?

Read the stickies at the top of the forum. That would a really good place to start.

[The Northern States of North America]

I read it very carefully. It seems that because the repeal I wrote was so long, it seems like a blog, whereas I did not intend for that to happen. If it doesn't get put in the queue to go to the floor, will I still be able to submit another one after first making a draft on this forum?

[New Leppikania]

I read it very carefully. It seems that because the repeal I wrote was so long, it seems like a blog, whereas I did not intend for that to happen. If it doesn't get put in the queue to go to the floor, will I still be able to submit another one after first making a draft on this forum?

Yes. Proposals can always be resubmitted. If you want to get the current one pulled, just file a GHR and say that you want to submit a new version.

[The Silver Sentinel]

I read it very carefully. It seems that because the repeal I wrote was so long, it seems like a blog, whereas I did not intend for that to happen. If it doesn't get put in the queue to go to the floor, will I still be able to submit another one after first making a draft on this forum?

It also doesn't repeal anything. Did you read the list of passed resolutions as well?

[The Northern States of North America]

yeah, is it because i have questions within the statements. I can see how that make it seem subjective...

[The Silver Sentinel]

yeah, is it because i have questions within the statements. I can see how that make it seem subjective...

That's one of the problems. I suggest you go back and reread those passed resolutions, particularly the repeals.

[Araraukar]

yeah, is it because i have questions within the statements. I can see how that make it seem subjective...

That's one of the problems. I suggest you go back and reread those passed resolutions, particularly the repeals.

Or post the draft here, instead, don't just submit it. We can help you make sure it's not illegal, or point out its weak points. Even TSS means good in his own abrasive way.

[The Northern States of North America]

That's one of the problems. I suggest you go back and reread those passed resolutions, particularly the repeals.

Or post the draft here, instead, don't just submit it. We can help you make sure it's not illegal, or point out its weak points. Even TSS means good in his own abrasive way.

Yes I know everyone cares:), is it worth just fixing what I have so far and posting it to the forum as a draft? but taking out a lot of other things?

[Araraukar]

is it worth just fixing what I have so far and posting it to the forum as a draft? but taking out a lot of other things?

Well, you have this thread; post your current draft in the first post and change thread title to read [DRAFT] and your proposal name. I'll have a go at it later to see if it can be fixed or not.

Or you can do part of the workd and remove everything that tries to do anything else but argue why the repeal would be a good thing, and post that as "draft 2" in your first post.

[The Northern States of North America]

Aww Geez! I already wrote a new thread with the draft on it! Im sorry, yeah i should've used this thread. I tried to take out the subjectiveness and replaced it with objectiveness.

Here's the link
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=367228

[Araraukar]

Aww Geez! I already wrote a new thread with the draft on it! Im sorry, yeah i should've used this thread. I tried to take out the subjectiveness and replaced it with objectiveness.

Here's the link
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=367228

I asked the mods to merge them: viewtopic.php?p=27535154#p27535154

But you might want to ask them to lock this one instead. If you do, post the request in that same megathread I used.