Rules for Space Activity

[The New Union of States]

Description: Space is a wonderful space for education and continuing the human species. Recognizing that this needs to be protected this proposal sets out to make rules for space activity.

1. All colonizes in space owned by a world assembly nation is owed by every world assembly nation. This would make sure that space empires do not put limitation on world wide space activity.

2. Corporations or any other business can not own any part of space. This is to make sure that businesses don't exploit space.

3. No test harming space colonizes or uncolonized planets may accrue. This is to make sure that space is safe for other non-harming test that may accrue.

4. World Assembly nation will not wage wars with non-World Assembly nations in space. This rule will make sure that World Assembly nations will not destroy space.

5. Space technology will be shared between World Assembly nations. This will make sure that no nation in the World Assembly has a upper hand against any other World Assembly nation.

[John Turner]

Category/Strength, reason why this would be any better than the WSA?

[Separatist Peoples]

Description: Space is a wonderful space for education and continuing the human species. Recognizing that this needs to be protected this proposal sets out to make rules for space activity.

1. All colonizes in space owned by a world assembly nation is owed by every world assembly nation. This would make sure that space empires do not put limitation on world wide space activity.

2. Corporations or any other business can not own any part of space. This is to make sure that businesses don't exploit space.

3. No test harming space colonizes or uncolonized planets may accrue. This is to make sure that space is safe for other non-harming test that may accrue.

4. World Assembly nation will not wage wars with non-World Assembly nations in space. This rule will make sure that World Assembly nations will not destroy space.

5. Space technology will be shared between World Assembly nations. This will make sure that no nation in the World Assembly has a upper and against ay other World Assembly nation.

"We absolutely refuse to share any holdings of the Confederate Dominion, be they in space or otherwise. We refuse to be told who we can or cannot engage in war with, and we refuse to be told what territory we can or cannot sell to private business entities. We absolutely, categorically refuse to share technology, and will be opposing any incredibly invasive measure such as this as much as possible."

[The New Union of States]

Category/Strength, reason why this would be any better than the WSA?

To my understanding the WSA says what the WA can and can not do on space, the this proposal is saying what nations can and can not do.

[The New Union of States]

Description: Space is a wonderful space for education and continuing the human species. Recognizing that this needs to be protected this proposal sets out to make rules for space activity.

1. All colonizes in space owned by a world assembly nation is owed by every world assembly nation. This would make sure that space empires do not put limitation on world wide space activity.

2. Corporations or any other business can not own any part of space. This is to make sure that businesses don't exploit space.

3. No test harming space colonizes or uncolonized planets may accrue. This is to make sure that space is safe for other non-harming test that may accrue.

4. World Assembly nation will not wage wars with non-World Assembly nations in space. This rule will make sure that World Assembly nations will not destroy space.

5. Space technology will be shared between World Assembly nations. This will make sure that no nation in the World Assembly has a upper and against ay other World Assembly nation.

"We absolutely refuse to share any holdings of the Confederate Dominion, be they in space or otherwise. We refuse to be told who we can or cannot engage in war with, and we refuse to be told what territory we can or cannot sell to private business entities. We absolutely, categorically refuse to share technology, and will be opposing any incredibly invasive measure such as this as much as possible."

if this guess passed then legally (if your a WA nation) then you have to

[Separatist Peoples]

-snip-

"Which assumes that it will pass, which considering you have no legal category, is not likely. Moreover, we intend to pour all sorts of effort into counter campaigning any proposal that seeks to put undue restrictions on our ability to administer our own territory. In fact, you'll find an extreme amount of resistance at the prospect, as most nations don't want their sovereignty shredded just because the territory is extra-planetary. So, not only do we oppose this, but the possibility of this passing is minuscule."

[Araraukar]

*pulls out a Proposal Scalpel* Let's see what this beast ate for dinner.

Description: Space is a wonderful space for education and continuing the human species.

Good for you, but what about the other sapients here who aren't human? Not every WA nation has human or only human citizenry.

Recognizing that this needs to be protected this proposal sets out to make rules for space activity.

"This needs to be protected", what needs to be protected? And you don't say "this proposal wants to do this", instead you say "the WA does this". (OOC: I swear that "Description" line has tripped more new authors than anything else in GA.)

1. All colonizes in space owned by a world assembly nation is owed by every world assembly nation.

What the fuck are you talking about, man? Um, ma'am? Other? If you build a house with your own money, why should it belong to the government? Similarly, if a nation builds something with its own money for its own use, why should any greater bureaucratic whole suddenly own it? You won't find any support for this idea, I can assure you.

This would make sure that space empires do not put limitation on world wide space activity.

...you've obviously not heard of the fact that not all nations reside even in the same universe as everyone else, nevermind the same planet. If your planet has an issue with a space empire, it won't be solved with a WA resolution, as that space empire could leave WA, flatten your planet and then rejoin WA.

2. Corporations or any other business can not own any part of space. This is to make sure that businesses don't exploit space.

Ah, so you're an idealist. Personally I may agree with that, but in many other nations private businesses are what drives space exploration (OOC: like right now in real life as well), and some nations have no space programs of their own, while other nations are space nations, where owning an asteroid may be as normal as owning your own clothes is to you. So if corporations or other businesses are allowed to owh "space" (OOC: you'll need better definitions, btw) already, you're really going to have a hard time selling this idea to them.

3. No test harming space colonizes or uncolonized planets may accrue. This is to make sure that space is safe for other non-harming test that may accrue.

"Test harming"? Also, I don't think accrue means what you think it means.

4. World Assembly nation will not wage wars with non-World Assembly nations in space. This rule will make sure that World Assembly nations will not destroy space.

...I'm fairly sure you can count with the fingers of one hand the WA nations who can destroy "space". If you mean empty space between the subatomic particles, that is. If you mean the universe, then you'll probably need both hands to count them. Depending on how many fingers per hand your species of human has, of course. (OOC: Definitions are your friend. Vague language is not.)

5. Space technology will be shared between World Assembly nations. This will make sure that no nation in the World Assembly has a upper and against ay other World Assembly nation.

OOC: Not everyone plays as though their nations is on Earth and modern tech level. Some nations are thousands, or tens of thousands, if not more, years ahead technologically, some may be the same amount behind. Not only will you have trouble convincing anyone ICly that this would be a good idea, you also can't force people to change their roleplayed tech level.

"We absolutely refuse to share any holdings of the Confederate Dominion, be they in space or otherwise. We refuse to be told who we can or cannot engage in war with, and we refuse to be told what territory we can or cannot sell to private business entities. We absolutely, categorically refuse to share technology, and will be opposing any incredibly invasive measure such as this as much as possible."

Tell me, Mr. Donut, is that your personal opinion, again? Or actually your nation's official stance this time? It's so hard to know with you.

[The New Union of States]

*pulls out a Proposal Scalpel* Let's see what this beast ate for dinner.

Description: Space is a wonderful space for education and continuing the human species.

Good for you, but what about the other sapients here who aren't human? Not every WA nation has human or only human citizenry.

Recognizing that this needs to be protected this proposal sets out to make rules for space activity.

"This needs to be protected", what needs to be protected? And you don't say "this proposal wants to do this", instead you say "the WA does this". (OOC: I swear that "Description" line has tripped more new authors than anything else in GA.)

1. All colonizes in space owned by a world assembly nation is owed by every world assembly nation.

What the fuck are you talking about, man? Um, ma'am? Other? If you build a house with your own money, why should it belong to the government? Similarly, if a nation builds something with its own money for its own use, why should any greater bureaucratic whole suddenly own it? You won't find any support for this idea, I can assure you.

This would make sure that space empires do not put limitation on world wide space activity.

...you've obviously not heard of the fact that not all nations reside even in the same universe as everyone else, nevermind the same planet. If your planet has an issue with a space empire, it won't be solved with a WA resolution, as that space empire could leave WA, flatten your planet and then rejoin WA.

2. Corporations or any other business can not own any part of space. This is to make sure that businesses don't exploit space.

Ah, so you're an idealist. Personally I may agree with that, but in many other nations private businesses are what drives space exploration (OOC: like right now in real life as well), and some nations have no space programs of their own, while other nations are space nations, where owning an asteroid may be as normal as owning your own clothes is to you. So if corporations or other businesses are allowed to owh "space" (OOC: you'll need better definitions, btw) already, you're really going to have a hard time selling this idea to them.

3. No test harming space colonizes or uncolonized planets may accrue. This is to make sure that space is safe for other non-harming test that may accrue.

"Test harming"? Also, I don't think accrue means what you think it means.

4. World Assembly nation will not wage wars with non-World Assembly nations in space. This rule will make sure that World Assembly nations will not destroy space.

...I'm fairly sure you can count with the fingers of one hand the WA nations who can destroy "space". If you mean empty space between the subatomic particles, that is. If you mean the universe, then you'll probably need both hands to count them. Depending on how many fingers per hand your species of human has, of course. (OOC: Definitions are your friend. Vague language is not.)

5. Space technology will be shared between World Assembly nations. This will make sure that no nation in the World Assembly has a upper and against ay other World Assembly nation.

OOC: Not everyone plays as though their nations is on Earth and modern tech level. Some nations are thousands, or tens of thousands, if not more, years ahead technologically, some may be the same amount behind. Not only will you have trouble convincing anyone ICly that this would be a good idea, you also can't force people to change their roleplayed tech level.

"We absolutely refuse to share any holdings of the Confederate Dominion, be they in space or otherwise. We refuse to be told who we can or cannot engage in war with, and we refuse to be told what territory we can or cannot sell to private business entities. We absolutely, categorically refuse to share technology, and will be opposing any incredibly invasive measure such as this as much as possible."

Tell me, Mr. Donut, is that your personal opinion, again? Or actually your nation's official stance this time? It's so hard to know with you.

thx you make really good points

[Separatist Peoples]

"I speak with the authority of the Confederate Dominion while acting in the capacity of ambassador, Ms. Leveret. If you are unable to respect me as an individual, I expect you to respect the title I hold and the professional courtesy it carries."

[Thaonia]

Description: Space is a wonderful space for education and continuing the human species.

"With respect, other civilized species exist; ideally, the wording should reflect this fact rather than focusing on any one space-faring species. Just a quibble, really. Not that it seems likely to pass, honestly. Secondly, as has already been pointed out, there are massive gaps (technologically and otherwise) between various civilizations, many of which have no space-exploration capabilities. All the distinct cultures of the less technically capable peoples would run significant risk of outright destruction if idea-sharing were forced and, depending on how extreme the gaps might be, some could end up worshipping the peoples of other nations, a state of affairs that is extraordinarily open to abuse of all kinds."

[Excidium Planetis]

Description: Space is a wonderful space for education and continuing the human species.

"Ugh... Humans again? We literally just passed AI Coexistence Protocol and Rights of Sapient Species back to back!"

Recognizing that this needs to be protected this proposal sets out to make rules for space activity.

"No. Opposed already."

1. All colonizes in space owned by a world assembly nation is owed by every world assembly nation. This would make sure that space empires do not put limitation on world wide space activity.

"Blatant violation of GA#2, which guarantees the sovereignty of nations. This clause would make literally hundreds, if not thousands of WA nations the legal property of other nations. Excidium Planetis will not be divided up between other nations."

2. Corporations or any other business can not own any part of space. This is to make sure that businesses don't exploit space.

"Firmly against, this would completely destroy all private asteroid mining, the lifeblood of our economy."

3. No test harming space colonizes or uncolonized planets may accrue. This is to make sure that space is safe for other non-harming test that may accrue.

"So now we can't even use the asteroids as target practice for our military? What the hell?"

4. World Assembly nation will not wage wars with non-World Assembly nations in space. This rule will make sure that World Assembly nations will not destroy space.

Cornelia Schultz practically dies of shock, keeling over. She stands, mouth agape. "The actual f***? What are we supposed to do, sit there and get shot as the Vaskkil kill us all?"

5. Space technology will be shared between World Assembly nations. This will make sure that no nation in the World Assembly has a upper hand against any other World Assembly nation.

"Actually, I can see great benefit to this clause. Tinfect will have to give us planetcrackers.


"In short, this proposal is a thousand times worse than World Space Administration, which while screwed up at least did not seem bent on our total annihilation."

[Araraukar]

"I speak with the authority of the Confederate Dominion while acting in the capacity of ambassador, Ms. Leveret. If you are unable to respect me as an individual, I expect you to respect the title I hold and the professional courtesy it carries."

We'll see. But your military paranoia sounds similar enough to Bell's military paranoia statements that I'll believe you for now. So, tell me, are you still going to be pursuing the Wetland Mitigation Protocol? I think your staff may have forgotten to tell you that you should.

OOC: I don't know if you had plans to go back to that proposal, but he did ask about projects on hold in the Bar.

[Tinfect]

Description: Space is a wonderful space for education and continuing the human species.

"Why, Ambassador, do you feel the need to single out Humanity? This Assembly is host to a wide variety of Races, Humans being merely a single one."

1. All colonizes in space owned by a world assembly nation is owed by every world assembly nation. This would make sure that space empires do not put limitation on world wide space activity.

"This... is nearly incomprehensible, but from what I can tell, you are requiring Member States to cede Sovereign Territory, for absolutely no reason. The Imperium, as an Interstellar Government, is vehemently opposed."

2. Corporations or any other business can not own any part of space. This is to make sure that businesses don't exploit space.

"While the Imperium is averse to private industry exercising jurisdiction over any portion of territory, we must ask, why? Space contains many viable business opportunities. Disallowing Businesses from doing this, will cripple those Market-Driven Nations of the Assembly."

3. No test harming space colonizes or uncolonized planets may accrue. This is to make sure that space is safe for other non-harming test that may accrue.

"Simply asinine. What the Imperium does with uncolonized worlds in our territory, is, quite honestly, the business of the Imperium. Further, if the planet is not host to any Sapient life, the Imperium has the right to do whatever we so desire with it, within the boundaries set by extant International Law, of course. The Imperium is quite opposed to this clause as well."

4. World Assembly nation will not wage wars with non-World Assembly nations in space. This rule will make sure that World Assembly nations will not destroy space.

"This would spell the destruction of the Imperium. We will not allow any entity to destroy the Imperium, we will not allow our enemies to operate unopposed in our territory. Any thinking entity will oppose this absolute insanity."

5. Space technology will be shared between World Assembly nations. This will make sure that no nation in the World Assembly has a upper hand against any other World Assembly nation.

"We will not, for any reason, be giving away our Technology to unknown, possibly Hostile States. This would equally spell the destruction of the Imperium, and any sapient being would be opposed to this clause as well. It is the recommendation of the Imperium that you do not continue to develop this draft, and instead apply a Match."

[Separatist Peoples]

"I speak with the authority of the Confederate Dominion while acting in the capacity of ambassador, Ms. Leveret. If you are unable to respect me as an individual, I expect you to respect the title I hold and the professional courtesy it carries."

We'll see. But your military paranoia sounds similar enough to Bell's military paranoia statements that I'll believe you for now. So, tell me, are you still going to be pursuing the Wetland Mitigation Protocol? I think your staff may have forgotten to tell you that you should.

OOC: I don't know if you had plans to go back to that proposal, but he did ask about projects on hold in the Bar.

"No."

OOC: Yes, I do.



This character isn't about to do anything beneficial to the world, he's looking for a way to make some money and to twist the knife a bit in Bell's reputation because he's an asshat.

[Araraukar]

"No."

OOC: Yes, I do.

This character isn't about to do anything beneficial to the world, he's looking for a way to make some money and to twist the knife a bit in Bell's reputation because he's an asshat.

A pity. It would have fit well in your "good guy" charade. Now you'll just have to try and pretend you're not a corrupt worm.

OOC: I know, that's why Janis is so intent on trolling him. I want to see how much abuse he takes before he loses his cool and properly snaps back at her.

But good to know that you, the player, haven't abandoned that project entirely. (Though I do apologize to the *cough* slight stat bragging *cough* at the current end of that thread... )

OOC EDIT: Spoilered the OOC replies above for clarity.

thx you make really good points

As you can see, everyone else is making the same points. You should act on the advice you're being given - abandoning this thing would be your best option, actually. Also, learn how to edit quoted posts - you didn't have to quote my entire post to add one line of your own text at the end. Next time just remove the text inside the post you're quoting and replace it with something like *snip*, making it look like this:

*snip*

Then everyone will know you mean the post in its entirety.

[The Iothian Aeremen]

1. All colonizes in space owned by a world assembly nation is owed by every world assembly nation. This would make sure that space empires do not put limitation on world wide space activity.

Ambassadress Eilaf sighs. "Off to a resolution-blockingly bad start here."

2. Corporations or any other business can not own any part of space. This is to make sure that businesses don't exploit space.

"My entire country is, technically, a corporation. I would like to respectfully request that our existence not be outlawed."

3. No test harming space colonizes or uncolonized planets may accrue. This is to make sure that space is safe for other non-harming test that may accrue.

"What constitutes 'harm' to an uncolonized planet? Are we allowed to accidentally step on the equivalent to a cockroach over the course of a test? What about shooting a rock with a completely conventional pistol as a form of target practice?"

4. World Assembly nation will not wage wars with non-World Assembly nations in space. This rule will make sure that World Assembly nations will not destroy space.

"Unacceptable. Simply unacceptable. It is occasionally necessary for the Aeremen to defend ourselves; this rule would, again, spell our doom."

5. Space technology will be shared between World Assembly nations. This will make sure that no nation in the World Assembly has a upper hand against any other World Assembly nation.

"Upper hands were made to be had against others. What are we supposed to do instead, be in a better position than ourselves?" She snorts in derision. "Besides, what if we gave some literal Neanderthals our nuclear arsenal, which is held in a set of orbital platforms and thus falls under this? They'd just annihilate themselves with it immediately. Or even the Rylasi Aeremen, our branch specializing in doing business with 'technologically challenged' peoples? If we had to give them all our tech, most of the Rylasis would instantly be out of a job."

[Liagolas]

"Repetition of past points would, at this point, be inefficient," the Mouth says lazily, unusually so for one normally so stiff. "The Dominion agrees with virtually all concerns and objections that delegates have already voiced, and it sees no way for this representative body to benefit at all from the legislation or even what it intends. It is the will of the Dominion to be strongly opposed."

[The New Union of States]

Description: Space is a wonderful space for education and continuing the human species.

"With respect, other civilized species exist; ideally, the wording should reflect this fact rather than focusing on any one space-faring species. Just a quibble, really. Not that it seems likely to pass, honestly. Secondly, as has already been pointed out, there are massive gaps (technologically and otherwise) between various civilizations, many of which have no space-exploration capabilities. All the distinct cultures of the less technically capable peoples would run significant risk of outright destruction if idea-sharing were forced and, depending on how extreme the gaps might be, some could end up worshipping the peoples of other nations, a state of affairs that is extraordinarily open to abuse of all kinds."

ok fine

[Whovian Tardisia]

Your grammar, quite frankly, is absolutely atrocious. Let me fix that for you:

Description: Space is a wonderful space for education and continuing the human species. Recognizing that this needs to be protected this proposal sets out to make rules for space activity.

1. All colonies in space owned by a World Assembly nation is owned by every World Assembly nation. This would make sure that space empires do not put limitation on world wide space activity.

2. Corporations or any other business can not own any part of space. This is to make sure that businesses don't exploit space.

3. No test harming space colonies or uncolonized planets may occur. This is to make sure that space is safe for other non-harming test that may occur.

4. World Assembly nations will not wage wars with non-World Assembly nations in space. This rule will make sure that World Assembly nations will not destroy space.

5. Space technology will be shared between World Assembly nations. This will make sure that no nation in the World Assembly has a upper hand against any other World Assembly nation.

OOC: Not only that, clause 4 may be a rules violation under Metagaming:

Meta-Gaming

Meta-gaming is a difficult to understand category at times, especially since it often shares jurisdiction with Game Mechanics violations. Essentially, a MetaGaming violation is one that breaks "the fourth wall", or attempts to force events outside of the WA itself.

Examples of meta-gaming:
Requiring the Security Council to take certain action
Forcing WA legislation on non-member nations
Mandating actions to be taken by regions
Requiring Moderators to perform specific actions
Mandating actions on the forums

[New Leppikania]

Your grammar, quite frankly, is absolutely atrocious. Let me fix that for you:

Description: Space is a wonderful space for education and continuing the human species. Recognizing that this needs to be protected this proposal sets out to make rules for space activity.

1. All colonies in space owned by a World Assembly nation are owned by every World Assembly nation. This would make sure that space empires do not put limitation on world wide space activity.

2. Corporations or any other business can not own any part of space. This is to make sure that businesses don't exploit space.

3. No test harming space colonies or uncolonized planets may occur. This is to make sure that space is safe for other non-harming test that may occur.

4. World Assembly nations will not wage wars with non-World Assembly nations in space. This rule will make sure that World Assembly nations will not destroy space.

5. Space technology will be shared between World Assembly nations. This will make sure that no nation in the World Assembly has a upper hand against any other World Assembly nation.

Description: Space is a wonderful space for education and continuing the human species. Recognizing that this needs to be protected this proposal sets out to make rules for space activity,

1. All colonies in space owned by a World Assembly nation is owned by every World Assembly nation. This would make sure that space empires do not put limitations on worldwide space activity.

2. Neither corporations nor any other businesses can own any part of space. This is to make sure that businesses don't exploit space.

3. No tests harming space colonies or uncolonized planets may occur. This is to make sure that space is safe for other non-harming tests that may occur.

4. World Assembly nations will not wage wars with non-World Assembly nations in space. This rule will make sure that World Assembly nations will not destroy space.

5. Space technology will be shared between World Assembly nations. This will make sure that no nation in the World Assembly has an upper hand against another World Assembly nation.

[John Turner]

Category/Strength, reason why this would be any better than the WSA?

[We Couldnt Agree On A Name]

OOC: Is there a contest for "most illegal proposal" that I haven't been told about?

[The Sheika]

Category/Strength, reason why this would be any better than the WSA?

Seconded.

[Frustrated Franciscans]

I will preface this with the point that while Frustrated Franciscans doesn't really have an interest in space, we are a proud member of the Tzorsland puppet federation founded by Tzorsland, who is currently somewhere out in the vast reaches of space.

Description: Space is a wonderful space for education and continuing the human species. Recognizing that this needs to be protected this proposal sets out to make rules for space activity.

Well that's nice. I'm not going to complain about the reuse of the word space in "Space is a wonderful space." Space needs to be "protected?" That's news to me. Last time I checked there was plenty of space in space. (Now I'm doing it.)

1. All colonizes in space owned by a world assembly nation is owed by every world assembly nation. This would make sure that space empires do not put limitation on world wide space activity.

The abolition of national property in space? I build a colony and it's now partly owned by YOU? If you build a house and anyone can claim equal ownership, would you ever build that house in the first place? You as well might just shot down the whole space colonization with that one through WA nations.

2. Corporations or any other business can not own any part of space. This is to make sure that businesses don't exploit space.

I hate to tell you this, but WA law applies to WA nations only. Corporations move to non WA nations. YOU CAN'T TELL THEM ANYTHING.

3. No test harming space colonizes or uncolonized planets may accrue. This is to make sure that space is safe for other non-harming test that may accrue.

Wow, talk about non defined nonsense. Define "harm" (for that matter define planets ...) and I'm not sure the word accrue (accumulate or receive) applies here.

4. World Assembly nation will not wage wars with non-World Assembly nations in space. This rule will make sure that World Assembly nations will not destroy space.

What about non World Assembly nations that are only in space? Not that I would recommend any nation attacking the nation of Tzorsland (pop 25.445 billion) especially those nations that are in the World Assembly, but this is clearly simplistic thinking.

5. Space technology will be shared between World Assembly nations. This will make sure that no nation in the World Assembly has a upper hand against any other World Assembly nation.

What about non World Assembly nations? This is like the problem from point 1. There is no way any non WA nation is going to sell high tech to any WA nation since every other nation gets it for FREE just because of this resolution. Not that Tzorsland will ever want to give its technology that uses the time warping ability of the gravitational black hole at the center of the Milky Way Galaxy in order to power space / time transportation.

[Bears Armed]

2. Corporations or any other business

OOC: Corporations aren't necessarily businesses. A 'corporation' is simply any body that has been "incorporated" as a legal entity. Local governments can be corporations, charities can be corporations, labour unions can be corporations, the line of successive bishops for each diocese can be a corporation (defined in English law as a 'corporation sole', because of it having only one member at a time), and so on...