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Slavonia and Srijem
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Postby Slavonia and Srijem » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:32 am

Considering how many non-member nations which outnumber member nationes, destroy Ozone Layer, i doubt this will take so much effect on Ozone. WA keeps destroying it's industries, while more agressive non-members are getting richer and richer because they don't have obligation to follow any enviromental laws.

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Imperial Polk County
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Postby Imperial Polk County » Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:57 am

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Liagolas
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Postby Liagolas » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:50 am

Slavonia and Srijem wrote:Considering how many non-member nations which outnumber member nationes, destroy Ozone Layer, i doubt this will take so much effect on Ozone. WA keeps destroying it's industries, while more agressive non-members are getting richer and richer because they don't have obligation to follow any enviromental laws.

"Aww," Sounding disheartened, the Mouth of the Dominion slumps a bit on the desk before it. "It is the dismay of the Dominion that nonmember states seem to get the worst reputation sometimes. The Dominion has even already promised to follow the ACE regulations and deadlines! It's not as if nonmembership means that it is totally disinterested in the future health and safety of its world."
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Bears Armed
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Postby Bears Armed » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:57 am

Slavonia and Srijem wrote:Considering how many non-member nations which outnumber member nationes, destroy Ozone Layer, i doubt this will take so much effect on Ozone. WA keeps destroying it's industries, while more agressive non-members are getting richer and richer because they don't have obligation to follow any enviromental laws.

Well...
Wishing to prevent such damage to the protective Ozone, acknowledging this as a potential problem of international scope, and hoping that concerted action on the matter by this organisation’s members not only will be useful in itself but also will encourage non-member nations to take similar action as well;
*<snip>*
5). Urges member nations to do what they can, without increasing the risk of international conflict, to persuade non-member nations to cooperate with ACE as well.
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Rvssyav
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Postby Rvssyav » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:32 pm

“Undoubtedly voting in favor, although it will mean our Republic will undergo a major overhaul of our laissez-faire policies. I have only one suggestion” clears throat. “Sorry about that... anyways, can we be guaranteed that there will be an impartial body at the ACE. Our Republic is concerned of the enormous amounts of power already concentrated at high levels by nations of leftist, liberal and socialist ideologies, and very minor representation for nations like, ourselves, of capitalist ideologies. We are concerned that there will be extreme environmentalist approaches by the ACE, which may undermine some of our core policies. Our Parliament, to include the socialists within, is drafting WA withdrawal legislation, if at any time we are to be expected to destroy our own competitiveness for the sake of anybody else’s pleasure. However, we do reassure our commitment to comply with this resolution in all manners possible.”

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Bears Armed
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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:47 am

Rvssyav wrote:“Undoubtedly voting in favor, although it will mean our Republic will undergo a major overhaul of our laissez-faire policies. I have only one suggestion” clears throat. “Sorry about that... anyways, can we be guaranteed that there will be an impartial body at the ACE. Our Republic is concerned of the enormous amounts of power already concentrated at high levels by nations of leftist, liberal and socialist ideologies, and very minor representation for nations like, ourselves, of capitalist ideologies. We are concerned that there will be extreme environmentalist approaches by the ACE, which may undermine some of our core policies. Our Parliament, to include the socialists within, is drafting WA withdrawal legislation, if at any time we are to be expected to destroy our own competitiveness for the sake of anybody else’s pleasure. However, we do reassure our commitment to comply with this resolution in all manners possible.”

"Yes, ACE will be impartial."

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Slavonia and Srijem
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Postby Slavonia and Srijem » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:58 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Slavonia and Srijem wrote:Considering how many non-member nations which outnumber member nationes, destroy Ozone Layer, i doubt this will take so much effect on Ozone. WA keeps destroying it's industries, while more agressive non-members are getting richer and richer because they don't have obligation to follow any enviromental laws.

Well...
Wishing to prevent such damage to the protective Ozone, acknowledging this as a potential problem of international scope, and hoping that concerted action on the matter by this organisation’s members not only will be useful in itself but also will encourage non-member nations to take similar action as well;
*<snip>*
5). Urges member nations to do what they can, without increasing the risk of international conflict, to persuade non-member nations to cooperate with ACE as well.


But they mostly won't cooperate with ACE, because they don't care- That clause is empty plead.

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Sierra Lyricalia
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:56 am

Slavonia and Srijem wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:Well...
Wishing to prevent such damage to the protective Ozone, acknowledging this as a potential problem of international scope, and hoping that concerted action on the matter by this organisation’s members not only will be useful in itself but also will encourage non-member nations to take similar action as well;
*<snip>*
5). Urges member nations to do what they can, without increasing the risk of international conflict, to persuade non-member nations to cooperate with ACE as well.


But they mostly won't cooperate with ACE, because they don't care- That clause is empty plead.


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Postby Liagolas » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:04 pm

Slavonia and Srijem wrote:But they mostly won't cooperate with ACE, because they don't care- That clause is empty plead.

"Aw, come on!" Now the Mouth has moved from despair to shock. "Do not non-member states still care about the continued well-being of the atmosphere and, therefore, the planet on which they reside? The Dominion has long since promised total cooperation with ACE's levels and deadlines, notwithstanding its non-member status. It is the hope of the Dominion that surely this, along with the Semi-Honorable Ambassador Pavonis's excellent observation of the World Assembly's not unreasonable leverage, is sufficient to give reason to hope that there will be widespread influence throughout the nonmember world."
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Bears Armed
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Postby Bears Armed » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:43 am

OOC
It might be worth pointing out that in RL, once the treaty had been drafted, it was ratified & kept by everybody: Developed nations & developing ones; capitalists and communists; the USA, the USSR, the PRC... which is an encouraging precedent.
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Postby Aclion » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:48 am

Bears Armed wrote:OOC
It might be worth pointing out that in RL, once the treaty had been drafted, it was ratified & kept by everybody: Developed nations & developing ones; capitalists and communists; the USA, the USSR, the PRC... which is an encouraging precedent.

OOC: OC in RL everybody and their brother was getting in the UN. Not like here where we're a minority.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:13 pm

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Postby Jabberwocky » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:43 pm

In the event that my Nation already has a stunning environment, and that we already have a terrific environmental program, are we then expected to take even more stringent measures to protect the ozone layer (which, in our case is not depleted)?
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Han Ful
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Postby Han Ful » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:38 am

We already work night and day to make sure companies abide by laws already in place protecting the environment, whilst being fair to big industry to allow an easy flow of money pumping the economy.

After some heavy considering and persuasion, we are going to vote aye on this motion.
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Postby Bears Armed Mission » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:44 am

Jabberwocky wrote:In the event that my Nation already has a stunning environment, and that we already have a terrific environmental program, are we then expected to take even more stringent measures to protect the ozone layer (which, in our case is not depleted)?

"If you mean that your nation and any others with which it shares a world do not produce enough 'ozone-depleting chemicals' for a measurable effect on that world's ozone layer anyhows, then, no, you wouldn't have to do any more except keep it that way."

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Scherzinger
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Postby Scherzinger » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:54 pm

If it means we have to give up part of our industry, which is crucial to my economy, then i will be going against this proposal a second time. Besides, global warming isnt real in the sense that many have used politically. What these filthy democratic flat-nosed individuals are doing is exaggerating a scientifically proven ordeal. The Earth goes through a cycle of global warming and global cooling every millennium or so.

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Postby Fauxia » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:42 pm

“Support.”
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Postby Kenmoria » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:57 pm

"Full and unconditional support, more action needs to be taken to protect our environment."
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Postby Hatterleigh » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:58 pm

UV rays are YET ANOTHER myth made up by the radiation suit company. Don't be foolin me >:( >:( >:(
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Postby Willania Imperium » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:55 pm

“You got our support, Ambassador. This is a well-done piece of legislation, and it will have a great effect on the environment.”

Scherzinger wrote:If it means we have to give up part of our industry, which is crucial to my economy, then i will be going against this proposal a second time. Besides, global warming isnt real in the sense that many have used politically. What these filthy democratic flat-nosed individuals are doing is exaggerating a scientifically proven ordeal. The Earth goes through a cycle of global warming and global cooling every millennium or so.


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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:45 pm

Fairburn: Looks like the climate change deniers are in full swing. Nonetheless, our Delegation is pleased to offer our support for this fine proposal.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:39 pm

"This resolution has my support. Never use this format again. I will not support a second one with such disgusting formatting."
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Princess Luna Gangleader of Boil Heights
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Postby Princess Luna Gangleader of Boil Heights » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:25 pm

Voted no. More overbearing regulations the UN cannot force nations to oversee every chemical and its potential effects.

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Capitalist Paradise

Postby Azurius » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:37 pm

Scherzinger wrote:If it means we have to give up part of our industry, which is crucial to my economy, then i will be going against this proposal a second time. Besides, global warming isnt real in the sense that many have used politically. What these filthy democratic flat-nosed individuals are doing is exaggerating a scientifically proven ordeal. The Earth goes through a cycle of global warming and global cooling every millennium or so.


And the sun itself is the coolest it has been since 100 years or so. Which means: You can now begin to imagine whats gonna happen once the sun gets warmer again. Which it inevitably will do at some point sooner or later. So congratulations, we are in a cool phase, NOT a hot phase(and yet temperatures keep climbing up, try to explain that one rationaly. If there is no global warming how can the sun cool down and yet our temperatures on earth keep climbing up...?).

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Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Bruke » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:40 pm

Ambassador Nega rose from his seat at the Brukean delegation. "At first, the proposal caused us some concern, especially as our chemical industry is a major sector in our economy, that ACE would set deadlines that would in effect put our companies at a disadvantage when compared to our West American competitors. But now, seeing how ACE will work to come up with safer alternatives, getting its own hands dirty, so to speak, we will gladly change our vote to yes. We hope that the rest of the Assembly votes yes as well."

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