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Should there be war in NationStates?

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War In NationStates?

Postby The Lone Wolf States » Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:39 am

Should there be war in NationStates? I'm saying yes because adding war would bring more players than ever. Not all kids like politics but if you add war that could bring more teaching the future about politics. Please makers of nation states read this, and every one please post a comment about what you say I will do my best to read all of them.
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Postby Sun Lands » Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:41 am

I'd be interested if there was a clear and simple demonstration of how it could be achieved.
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Postby The Flame Dawn » Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:44 am

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:49 am

No war should not be added to NS. I like the free-form feel of NS. I don't want to see NS turn into a cybernations clone, i bet you that if this is implemented you will lose more players than you will gain. Me and most of NS we leave if this happens.
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Postby The Lone Wolf States » Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:53 am

Sun Lands wrote:I'd be interested if there was a clear and simple demonstration of how it could be achieved.

There are several ways this could be achieved. One is you could invest your government into making the army and it could tell you how good it is. Then you could send your army to defeat others like RAW a game on the phone. Or it could be a game kind of like Stratego which is a board game that is kind of like chess but a little bit funner in my opinion. Thank you for your response.

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Postby Venachuwenshi » Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:57 am

We already have roleplay threads for this sort of thing, and adding war to NS would kill them all. Unless the war system is refined in such a way like 'Call of War' is, it would just be like some text game where I send my armies I can't see to battle against a person whose nation I, again, cannot really see. In NS I can't see the shape of people's nations unless they publish a map, and I doubt NS would ever use a real-world map as that'd be divided up soooo much with how many people there are.

Regional warfare may be possible - the regional founder could make a map and maybe a setting saying 'enable war' could be switched on and off, but again, this is highly unlikely to ever happen. I don't want it to happen either.
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Postby Phydios » Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:57 am

The Lone Wolf States wrote:Should there be war in NationStates? I'm saying yes because adding war would bring more players than ever. Not all kids like politics but if you add war that could bring more teaching the future about politics. Please makers of nation states read this, and every one please post a comment about what you say I will do my best to read all of them.

No. The site owner has said himself that there are no plans whatsoever to add war. You've been linked to the FAQ; read it.

FAQ wrote:How do I go to war against another nation? Or trade with them?

In one sense, you can't. NationStates doesn't include these things—because it's a simple game, and because they would bias things in favor of militaristic and capitalist nations. One of the nice things about NationStates is that you can craft a nation into your idea of Utopia without having to worry about such pragmatic concerns as national defence.

There are, however, two types of wargame that have been developed by the NationStates community. One is regional invasions, where nations attempt to move into another region and topple the Regional Delegate; the other is an in-depth role-playing game that takes place in the International Incidents forum.

Many people have suggested a more sophisticated version of NationStates, with trade and military conflicts, but this is unlikely, as it would fundamentally change who we are. At its core, NationStates is a political game, not a wargame.
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Postby The Lone Wolf States » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:11 am

Thermodolia wrote:No war should not be added to NS. I like the free-form feel of NS. I don't want to see NS turn into a cybernations clone, i bet you that if this is implemented you will lose more players than you will gain. Me and most of NS we leave if this happens.

Thank you for your response and you may be right but would you like it if you got to choose if you wanted your nation/region to be part of war. That way if you didn't want to you don't have to.

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Postby The Flame Dawn » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:13 am

The Lone Wolf States wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:No war should not be added to NS. I like the free-form feel of NS. I don't want to see NS turn into a cybernations clone, i bet you that if this is implemented you will lose more players than you will gain. Me and most of NS we leave if this happens.

Thank you for your response and you may be right but would you like it if you got to choose if you wanted your nation/region to be part of war. That way if you didn't want to you don't have to.


Max Berry, the man who created NationStates has said that war will not be a mechanic added gameside. If you wish to engage in warfare you may do that in International Incidents.
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Postby The Lone Wolf States » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:14 am

Venachuwenshi wrote:We already have roleplay threads for this sort of thing, and adding war to NS would kill them all. Unless the war system is refined in such a way like 'Call of War' is, it would just be like some text game where I send my armies I can't see to battle against a person whose nation I, again, cannot really see. In NS I can't see the shape of people's nations unless they publish a map, and I doubt NS would ever use a real-world map as that'd be divided up soooo much with how many people there are.

Regional warfare may be possible - the regional founder could make a map and maybe a setting saying 'enable war' could be switched on and off, but again, this is highly unlikely to ever happen. I don't want it to happen either.

Could you direct me to one of these I did not know they existed. Thank You

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Postby The Flame Dawn » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:15 am

The Lone Wolf States wrote:
Venachuwenshi wrote:We already have roleplay threads for this sort of thing, and adding war to NS would kill them all. Unless the war system is refined in such a way like 'Call of War' is, it would just be like some text game where I send my armies I can't see to battle against a person whose nation I, again, cannot really see. In NS I can't see the shape of people's nations unless they publish a map, and I doubt NS would ever use a real-world map as that'd be divided up soooo much with how many people there are.

Regional warfare may be possible - the regional founder could make a map and maybe a setting saying 'enable war' could be switched on and off, but again, this is highly unlikely to ever happen. I don't want it to happen either.

Could you direct me to one of these I did not know they existed. Thank You


Next time look before you do something. It'll save time for others.
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Postby The Lone Wolf States » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:18 am

The Flame Dawn wrote:
The Lone Wolf States wrote:Could you direct me to one of these I did not know they existed. Thank You


Next time look before you do something. It'll save time for others.

I have and they are pretty hard to find I found DEN but can not find out how it works.

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Postby The Flame Dawn » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:20 am

The Lone Wolf States wrote:
The Flame Dawn wrote:
Next time look before you do something. It'll save time for others.

I have and they are pretty hard to find I found DEN but can not find out how it works.


*sighs*

Just ask them...
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Postby Aterrian Union » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:21 am

Wish there was war. NUKES!!!
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Postby The Lone Wolf States » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:22 am

The Flame Dawn wrote:
The Lone Wolf States wrote:I have and they are pretty hard to find I found DEN but can not find out how it works.


*sighs*

Just ask them...

I don't rely on other people to solve my problems. Maybe you should try it some time.

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Postby The Lone Wolf States » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:23 am

Aterrian Union wrote:Wish there was war. NUKES!!!

Thanks for agreeing in me.

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Postby The Flame Dawn » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:23 am

The Lone Wolf States wrote:
The Flame Dawn wrote:
*sighs*

Just ask them...

I don't rely on other people to solve my problems. Maybe you should try it some time.


Then look around.

Most folk know what DEN does... they're a pretty big topic.
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Postby The Lone Wolf States » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:26 am

The Flame Dawn wrote:
The Lone Wolf States wrote:I don't rely on other people to solve my problems. Maybe you should try it some time.


Then look around.

Most folk know what DEN does... they're a pretty big topic.

I don't like being part of big topics.

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Postby Kauthar » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:27 am

The Lone Wolf States wrote:
Sun Lands wrote:I'd be interested if there was a clear and simple demonstration of how it could be achieved.

There are several ways this could be achieved. One is you could invest your government into making the army and it could tell you how good it is. Then you could send your army to defeat others like RAW a game on the phone. Or it could be a game kind of like Stratego which is a board game that is kind of like chess but a little bit funner in my opinion. Thank you for your response.

Yeah that would basically make newer nations like yours absolutely shit while nations that wastedspent years here would have armies of hundreds of millions of superhumans, advanced futuristic weaponry while you'd have swords and a few thousand peasants.
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Postby The Lone Wolf States » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:29 am

Kauthar wrote:
The Lone Wolf States wrote:There are several ways this could be achieved. One is you could invest your government into making the army and it could tell you how good it is. Then you could send your army to defeat others like RAW a game on the phone. Or it could be a game kind of like Stratego which is a board game that is kind of like chess but a little bit funner in my opinion. Thank you for your response.

Yeah that would basically make newer nations like yours absolutely shit while nations that wastedspent years here would have armies of hundreds of millions of superhumans, advanced futuristic weaponry while you'd have swords and a few thousand peasants.

True but what if you could only attack players around your level.

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Postby Aterrian Union » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:43 am

The Lone Wolf States wrote:
Kauthar wrote:Yeah that would basically make newer nations like yours absolutely shit while nations that wastedspent years here would have armies of hundreds of millions of superhumans, advanced futuristic weaponry while you'd have swords and a few thousand peasants.

True but what if you could only attack players around your level.

That's what I say too, make army based off NS stats and past decisions. Only nations of similar population can fight
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Postby The Lone Wolf States » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:46 am

Aterrian Union wrote:
The Lone Wolf States wrote:True but what if you could only attack players around your level.

That's what I say too, make army based off NS stats and past decisions. Only nations of similar population can fight

That sounds perfect I think that could bring more players.

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Postby Wrapper » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:51 am

Wrong forum, folks. This isn't a WA matter.

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Postby Abidawe » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:57 am

Aterrian Union wrote:
The Lone Wolf States wrote:True but what if you could only attack players around your level.

That's what I say too, make army based off NS stats and past decisions. Only nations of similar population can fight


"Make it based off of NS Stats"

*Your Sig: WE DONT USE NS STATS*

You sir are incredibly wishy-washy
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:31 am

The Lone Wolf States wrote:
The Flame Dawn wrote:
*sighs*

Just ask them...

I don't rely on other people to solve my problems. Maybe you should try it some time.

Then why did you make a thread relying on others to solve this "problem"?

Besides, this belongs in Technical.
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