Who Really Controls the GA?

[Vancouvia]

If the top 10 highest delegates got together before a proposal went to vote and decided upon its outcome and agreed to vote within the first five minutes it went through, then whether they all voted For or Against they alone would determine its outcome. Delegates are incredibly more powerful than individual nations. If you look at Foreign Patent Recognition you'll see that individual nation votes account for roughly half of the total vote; the other half is coming straight from delegates. Early voting combined with bloc voting coming from the top delegates would be an unstoppable force.

So you mean these guys:

SillyString (600?), Paffnia (450), Pierconium (414), Ramaeus (393), Mousebumples (384), Mediobogdum (348), Solorni (182), Imperium Anglorum (172), New Rogernomics (147), Vancouvia (132).

Vancouvia, have you been invited to the secret forum under the Great Pyramid where they all decide exactly how they're all going to vote? Because looking at this list, SillyString hasn't voted yet and Mousebumples, Mediobogdum, and yourself voted against.

You didn't read what I wrote. IF the top 10 acted as an early voting bloc then they could determine the outcome.

[The Rouge Christmas State]

This would likely never occur due to the political differences between the regional delegates. Besides we all know that Vancouvia votes for everything anyway.

[Caracasus]

So you mean these guys:

SillyString (600?), Paffnia (450), Pierconium (414), Ramaeus (393), Mousebumples (384), Mediobogdum (348), Solorni (182), Imperium Anglorum (172), New Rogernomics (147), Vancouvia (132).

Vancouvia, have you been invited to the secret forum under the Great Pyramid where they all decide exactly how they're all going to vote? Because looking at this list, SillyString hasn't voted yet and Mousebumples, Mediobogdum, and yourself voted against.

You didn't read what I wrote. IF the top 10 acted as an early voting bloc then they could determine the outcome.

That's a really big if though. Also, don't a lot of those delegates have a responsibility to vote along the lines of their region?

[Vancouvia]

This would likely never occur due to the political differences between the regional delegates. Besides we all know that Vancouvia votes for everything anyway.

If you're going to randomly single me out, do it right. I voted against. And keep your winky faces on your face where they belong, buddy

[The Rouge Christmas State]

This would likely never occur due to the political differences between the regional delegates. Besides we all know that Vancouvia votes for everything anyway.

If you're going to randomly single me out, do it right. I voted against. And keep your winky faces on your face where they belong, buddy

Calm down, your fine leader I wish you well.

[Separatist Peoples]

If you're going to randomly single me out, do it right. I voted against. And keep your winky faces on your face where they belong, buddy

Calm down, your fine leader I wish you well.

It'd be more fair to say that Vancouvia approves everything, even the illegal attempts. Except for those written by those he dislikes.

That said, Vancouvia isn't wrong. If the top ten delegates voted in tandem, they would swing every vote with the right timing, but I've never seen more than two, TNP and Europeia, act that way. Certainly not recently, either. I think the voter bases diverged a few months back...

[The Rouge Christmas State]

Calm down, your fine leader I wish you well.

It'd be more fair to say that Vancouvia approves everything, even the illegal attempts. Except for those written by those he dislikes.

That said, Vancouvia isn't wrong. If the top ten delegates voted in tandem, they would swing every vote with the right timing, but I've never seen more than two, TNP and Europeia, act that way. Certainly not recently, either. I think the voter bases diverged a few months back...

That's very true, but if the top 10 would act together, or some form of coalition it would work.

[Wrapper]

Vancouvia, if you really believe what you're saying about "Elites" then how did WSA get passed in the first place?

[Separatist Peoples]

It'd be more fair to say that Vancouvia approves everything, even the illegal attempts. Except for those written by those he dislikes.

That said, Vancouvia isn't wrong. If the top ten delegates voted in tandem, they would swing every vote with the right timing, but I've never seen more than two, TNP and Europeia, act that way. Certainly not recently, either. I think the voter bases diverged a few months back...

That's very true, but if the top 10 would act together, or some form of coalition it would work.

They won't, though. Half of them are required to vote as per their constituent majority. The others are not all allied on their views. Mouse is a consummate NatSov, where SillyString, from what little I've worked with her in the past, is a bit more centric. Vancouvia's voting pattern is a bit more of a mystery, and I don't know the details of how TWI works, but he seems to vote a bit more towards IntFed than not. Even if these positions were static for every issue, they wouldn't line up. It's just not going to happen.

[Vancouvia]

Vancouvia, if you really believe what you're saying about "Elites" then how did WSA get passed in the first place?

Top delegates waited too long to cast their vote before they influenced the common nations, and thus were influenced themselves by the common nations. It had widespread popular support and the delegates didn't early vote enough as they could have.

[Excidium Planetis]

If the top 10 highest delegates got together before a proposal went to vote and decided upon its outcome and agreed to vote within the first five minutes it went through, then whether they all voted For or Against they alone would determine its outcome. Delegates are incredibly more powerful than individual nations. If you look at Foreign Patent Recognition you'll see that individual nation votes account for roughly half of the total vote; the other half is coming straight from delegates. Early voting combined with bloc voting coming from the top delegates would be an unstoppable force.

So you mean these guys:

SillyString (600?), Paffnia (450), Pierconium (414), Ramaeus (393), Mousebumples (384), Mediobogdum (348), Solorni (182), Imperium Anglorum (172), New Rogernomics (147), Vancouvia (132).

So, rather than being "The Most Elite Member of the General Assembly Elite", it appears Vancouvia is actually the least Elite member of the GA Elite, which is apparently a bunch of superdelegates.

Anyways, it seems clear by the Poll now that Gameplayers vs. Roleplayers has little bearing on the GA...
And it is concerning that 52% of poll voters believe the GA Elite controls the GA.

[Vancouvia]

That's very true, but if the top 10 would act together, or some form of coalition it would work.

They won't, though. Half of them are required to vote as per their constituent majority. The others are not all allied on their views. Mouse is a consummate NatSov, where SillyString, from what little I've worked with her in the past, is a bit more centric. Vancouvia's voting pattern is a bit more of a mystery, and I don't know the details of how TWI works, but he seems to vote a bit more towards IntFed than not. Even if these positions were static for every issue, they wouldn't line up. It's just not going to happen.

I proposed an amendment to require our delegate to vote with a 60% super-majority or any treaties but it didn't pass our Court because we have the right to freely vote in the World Assembly. So I can do whatever I want.

Even if half the delegates or even three got together and did this, it would be huge. Pacifics here me now, I am all ears

[Wrapper]

Vancouvia, if you really believe what you're saying about "Elites" then how did WSA get passed in the first place?

Top delegates waited too long to cast their vote before they influenced the common nations, and thus were influenced themselves by the common nations. It had widespread popular support and the delegates didn't early vote enough as they could have.

Well then, if they were so influenced "by the common nations"... then... that hardly means they are "in control". Right?

[Wrapper]

So, rather than being "The Most Elite Member of the General Assembly Elite", it appears Vancouvia is actually the least Elite member of the GA Elite, which is apparently a bunch of superdelegates.

Hmmm, yeah, if Vancouvia were to change his sig to that....

[Excidium Planetis]

They won't, though. Half of them are required to vote as per their constituent majority. The others are not all allied on their views. Mouse is a consummate NatSov, where SillyString, from what little I've worked with her in the past, is a bit more centric. Vancouvia's voting pattern is a bit more of a mystery, and I don't know the details of how TWI works, but he seems to vote a bit more towards IntFed than not. Even if these positions were static for every issue, they wouldn't line up. It's just not going to happen.

I proposed an amendment to require our delegate to vote with a 60% super-majority or any treaties but it didn't pass our Court because we have the right to freely vote in the World Assembly. So I can do whatever I want.

Even if half the delegates or even three got together and did this, it would be huge. Pacifics here me now, I am all ears

So basically, you want to form your own GA Elite?
Also, hear, not here.

[Nouvelle o France]

Lemmings of the World unite ! You only need two more votes to defeat the Elites !

[Sierra Lyricalia]

The first rule of GA Elite is you do not talk about GA Elite.

The second rule of GA Elite is you do not talk about GA Elite.

3rd rule: if the resolution is yanked, or GHR'd, nation's DOS'd - the vote is over.

4th rule: only two choices to a vote.

5th rule: one vote at a time.*

6th rule: no stamps, no scripts.

7th rule: debate will go on as long as it has to.

The 8th rule of the GA Elite: if this is your first night... you HAVE to submit a proposal!







*Yet another reason the Security Council is an abomination before the gods

[Riftey]

This poll serves only to attract attention away from the GA Elite. I hope it is locked

if only they were real in the sense you are preaching. There are Super delegates who get to decide the entire outcome of the WA; However no "WA Elites."

Early voting stacking by large, already-informed delegates is way more powerful than any amount of lemmings because they determine the course of the lemmings. Therefore, lemmings have no power; they are a group that is easily swayed.

Most certainly. Now all you need to do to find out who controls the GA is to find out if Gameplayers or Roleplayers as a majority are to answer the question above. Even still I don't know how the OP came up with this in telegram then

"The people who write the GA resolutions control the GA. The people who write the GA resolutions are not writing the SC resolutions. Thus, the people who control the GA are not the people who control the SC."

The people who write the propose legislation merely spur activity in the appropriate section. They do not decide. Nothing passes without the support of super delegates.

@Riftey: How would a super delegate have a minimum of 50 endorsements? That's not a lot at all. A SUPER DELEGATE would have, like, 600. Now that's a super delegate.

@Syrixa: You obviously have a very weak grasp on the WA as a whole. Merely gaining the support of majority of the regions with 600 endorsements will not have you pass a proposal. However gaining atleast the support of majority of the regions with 50 plus does have you pass. Also need a lot more then 600 votes to have voting stack be purposful.

Having 600 endorsements is great; However being the largest does not make you the only super delegate.

[A Colony Of Canadas]

So you mean these guys:

SillyString (600?), Paffnia (450), Pierconium (414), Ramaeus (393), Mousebumples (384), Mediobogdum (348), Solorni (182), Imperium Anglorum (172), New Rogernomics (147), Vancouvia (132).

So, rather than being "The Most Elite Member of the General Assembly Elite", it appears Vancouvia is actually the least Elite member of the GA Elite, which is apparently a bunch of superdelegates.

Anyways, it seems clear by the Poll now that Gameplayers vs. Roleplayers has little bearing on the GA...
And it is concerning that 52% of poll voters believe the GA Elite controls the GA.

Oh, so that option wasn't a joke after all?

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

*snipped nonsense*

This is all a load of puffed-up self-important crap and you know it. RPers are frequently elected to oversee major regions. Unibot, Mousebumples, Brutland and Norden, Separatist Peoples, Milograd, Belschaft, The Dourian Embassy, even Todd McCloud/Vekaiyu. (And they're not always recruiting GAers like us to head their WA Divisions because we're so GP-oriented and know so much about employing R&D tactics to turn WA votes.) The only reason Uni (before he really got into GP) and other members of Dharma were so good at racking up resolutions was because they were experts at politicking the Feeders and other big regions. Not conceited GPers steering the wheel in these cases, but politically savvy RPers who knew how to make the GPers do what they wanted. TNP often votes the way it does due to historically heavy influence exerted over them by IDU -- again, RPers. Oh, and I really doubt that Osiris and UDL used to bitch about AO all the time because we didn't have any influence over gameplay.

And just to use an SC example, it wasn't GPers who arranged the big stomp to defeat the last repeal of my condemnation, but me and mousey, just a couple ragtag RPers taking a chance and trying to make a difference in this big, strange GP-dominated world we obviously know so little about.

[Riftey]

This is all a load of puffed-up self-important crap and you know it.

Hardly. Maybe If I was a super delegate then sure; but nah.

RPers are frequently elected to oversee major regions.

Again - The people you put forward for the most part are more heavily involved in GP then they are in RP. They're Gameplayers who roleplay.

The only reason Uni (before he really got into GP) and other members of Dharma were so good at racking up resolutions was because they were experts at politicking the Feeders and other big regions. Not conceited GPers steering the wheel in these cases, but politically savvy RPers who knew how to make the GPers do what they wanted.

Relevance? Pulling out datted examples of how the WA used to run makes no sense. Look back a couple of years and you'll see a rather considerable decline in quality of proposals. Same goes for how the place was run.

TNP often votes the way it does due to historically heavy influence exerted over them by IDU -- again, RPers.

At no point did I say TNP does vote in such a way. What I have said is they are not the only region with a strong grasp on votes. So why bring this up?

Oh, and I really doubt that Osiris and UDL used to bitch about AO all the time because we didn't have any influence over gameplay.

And where is this coming from? Haven't mentioned Osiris, UDL or AO (Who's AO?) so what is this even related to?

And just to use an SC example, it wasn't GPers who arranged the big stomp to defeat the last repeal of my condemnation, but me and mousey, just a couple ragtag RPers taking a chance and trying to make a difference in this big, strange GP-dominated world we obviously know so little about.

"Just with most things in this world and especially this site - Nothing is cut and dry. There will always be the odd exception"

What's your point xD

[Ferret Civilization]

"Does anything really happen one group is responsible for, so far from my time here all I've seen is people point fingers at each other. Stuff happens and everyone says it someone else who did it, with a few cases of they did it without any proof that they did."

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

RPers are frequently elected to oversee major regions.

Again - The people you put forward for the most part are more heavily involved in GP then they are in RP. They're Gameplayers who roleplay.

Which only proves you know next to nothing about most of them. With the exception of milo or Todd, they were all pretty much hardcore GAers before you guys got to know them - even uni.

The only reason Uni (before he really got into GP) and other members of Dharma were so good at racking up resolutions was because they were experts at politicking the Feeders and other big regions. Not conceited GPers steering the wheel in these cases, but politically savvy RPers who knew how to make the GPers do what they wanted.

Relevance? Pulling out datted examples of how the WA used to run makes no sense. Look back a couple of years and you'll see a rather considerable decline in quality of proposals. Same goes for how the place was run.

One "dated" example, and probably just one story of something that happens often without you even knowing it - considering you didn't even know mousey or uni were GAers/RPers long before they started rolling with your lot.

And just to use an SC example, it wasn't GPers who arranged the big stomp to defeat the last repeal of my condemnation, but me and mousey, just a couple ragtag RPers taking a chance and trying to make a difference in this big, strange GP-dominated world we obviously know so little about.

"Just with most things in this world and especially this site - Nothing is cut and dry. There will always be the odd exception"

Not the odd exception; your "GP" pal mousey turns WA votes all the time with her stomping. It's even a meme here.

What's your point xD

*zoooooooooooom!*

[Povinksi]

What exactly are "lemmings"? Are they the animal? Or is it some term on NS?

[Vancouvia]

What exactly are "lemmings"? Are they the animal? Or is it some term on NS?

It's based on a video game that you can google. It refers to someone doing something because everyone else is. "Jumping off a cliff because your friends told you to"