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[Sainterre]

How nations manage taxes is of no business of the WA as it is not an international issue and it comes into conflict with already existing legislation. Strongly opposed.

[Baden Baden]

Ambassador, this is illegal.

[LEGGETT EMPIRE]

If you read the language good ambassadors no one is telling you how to tax anyone it is more of an appreciation to those who serve. The normal income made is taxed and this only in the situation of those hurt in the line or who have died there families get funds raised or given to help them. It is asking to not tax that specific income.

[Baden Baden]

If you read the language good ambassadors no one is telling you how to tax anyone it is more of an appreciation to those who serve. The normal income made is taxed and this only in the situation of those hurt in the line or who have died there families get funds raised or given to help them. It is asking to not tax that specific income.

Still contradicts GA #17 and still opposed ambassador

[Sainterre]

If you read the language good ambassadors no one is telling you how to tax anyone it is more of an appreciation to those who serve. The normal income made is taxed and this only in the situation of those hurt in the line or who have died there families get funds raised or given to help them. It is asking to not tax that specific income.

That "appreciation" still tells member states how to tax their own citizens which is none of the WA's business and is contradictory to existing resolutions.

[Imperium Anglorum]

If you read the language

That's impossible. Your resolution violates the rules because nobody can make sense of it, with its lack of nouns telling us upon what the restrictions apply.

[Baden Baden]

If you read the language good ambassadors no one is telling you how to tax anyone it is more of an appreciation to those who serve. The normal income made is taxed and this only in the situation of those hurt in the line or who have died there families get funds raised or given to help them. It is asking to not tax that specific income.

Change the wording if that is what you mean. Currently it is not possible without repealing GA #17 which isn't gonna happen.

[Wrapper]

If you read the language good ambassadors no one is telling you how to tax anyone it is more of an appreciation to those who serve. The normal income made is taxed and this only in the situation of those hurt in the line or who have died there families get funds raised or given to help them. It is asking to not tax that specific income.

Which, no matter how you slice it, is covered under domestic taxation policies, which under GAR#17 is a national right. The WA cannot infringe on that right without contradicting GAR#17, which is against the rules.

[Baden Baden]

If you read the language good ambassadors no one is telling you how to tax anyone it is more of an appreciation to those who serve. The normal income made is taxed and this only in the situation of those hurt in the line or who have died there families get funds raised or given to help them. It is asking to not tax that specific income.

Do your work and make something that has a chance. Quite Frankly, Your wasting our time.

[Caracasus]

If you read the language good ambassadors no one is telling you how to tax anyone it is more of an appreciation to those who serve. The normal income made is taxed and this only in the situation of those hurt in the line or who have died there families get funds raised or given to help them. It is asking to not tax that specific income.

Ambassador, in Caracasus we tax the loose change our citizens find down the back of the sofa. Not taxing something to us, and our citizens would not be a sign of respect, it would be a confusing and deeply controversial issue and would be essentially pointless.

We would also point out that our deep sea trawler crews, miners, agricultural workers and construction workers have a higher fatality and injury rate than our armed forces, whilst performing (many would argue) equally vital services in keeping Caracasus well fed, wealthy and building our very homes and workplaces. Why would soldiers be more worthy of this "respect"?

[MaPa Kettleville]

Never Tax Our Fallen Public Safety / Military Heroes

My fellow leaders, ambassadors, and patriots!
These are times of harshness in our world. And as every day goes by I see constantly on the news stories of our Heroes in military uniform and safety uniforms going into what ever the battle may be at hand. Some live and some never come home and some are alive but are wounded and may never serve again. And there families are sometimes left with paying many expenses to provide for funeral and living and for family day to day expenses. I am asking that any and all codes be changed to prevent any income taken in for them to provide for themselves and family or family left behind be excluded from being counted as part of gross income and from being taxed.

A RESOLUTION
To amend any Internal Revenue Code to exclude certain compensation received by public safety/ military officers and their dependents from gross income.
1.
Short title
This Resolution may be cited as the
Never Tax Our Fallen Public Safety / Military Heroes
.
2. A Resoulution to be established under the laws of any State which provides monetary compensation for surviving dependents of a public safety/ military officer who has died as the direct and proximate result of a personal injury sustained in the line of duty, or forever injured/ crippled shall not apply to any amounts that would have been payable if death of the public safety/ military officer had occurred other than as the direct and proximate result of a personal injury sustained in the line of duty. Shall not be taxed and considered part of personal income.

They deserve our respect and support. Will you join me in giving them this gift forever and more. To those who serve, protect and defend us in any means necessary.

Abolish the Internal Revenue Code and install the Fair Tax including the exempt items that are not taxable and including the exempt status persons who are at or under the level of income so that they do not pay any tax.

Fair Tax takes care of a ton of problems the other tax codes create. With Fair Tax there is no taxation on every aspect of a persons life and there are no return benefits for one person over another. Example: Most of the debate over gay rights goes away because with the IRS abolished and the Fair Tax implemented, there are no more tax advantages for marriage status. Marriage Partners would no longer be discriminated against by the governments tax system.

Fair Tax also taxes everyone who operates in the black market off the record books when those persons by items at stores or services etc from legitimate businesses. That is a huge amount of taxes that here to fore go uncollected at the Federal Level due to the archaic broken system the IRS currently uses that benefits a favored few over the majority.

The Military of course always has the option of buying taxablegoods and services on base at discounted prices and no taxes. Makes the Fair Tax for them even more appealing.

[Baden Baden]

Ambassador, If you want any chance of passing this, extend this to all workers and change it to a "recommendation" rather than a mandate.

[Baden Baden]

Never Tax Our Fallen Public Safety / Military Heroes

My fellow leaders, ambassadors, and patriots!
These are times of harshness in our world. And as every day goes by I see constantly on the news stories of our Heroes in military uniform and safety uniforms going into what ever the battle may be at hand. Some live and some never come home and some are alive but are wounded and may never serve again. And there families are sometimes left with paying many expenses to provide for funeral and living and for family day to day expenses. I am asking that any and all codes be changed to prevent any income taken in for them to provide for themselves and family or family left behind be excluded from being counted as part of gross income and from being taxed.

A RESOLUTION
To amend any Internal Revenue Code to exclude certain compensation received by public safety/ military officers and their dependents from gross income.
1.
Short title
This Resolution may be cited as the
Never Tax Our Fallen Public Safety / Military Heroes
.
2. A Resoulution to be established under the laws of any State which provides monetary compensation for surviving dependents of a public safety/ military officer who has died as the direct and proximate result of a personal injury sustained in the line of duty, or forever injured/ crippled shall not apply to any amounts that would have been payable if death of the public safety/ military officer had occurred other than as the direct and proximate result of a personal injury sustained in the line of duty. Shall not be taxed and considered part of personal income.

They deserve our respect and support. Will you join me in giving them this gift forever and more. To those who serve, protect and defend us in any means necessary.

Abolish the Internal Revenue Code and install the Fair Tax including the exempt items that are not taxable and including the exempt status persons who are at or under the level of income so that they do not pay any tax.

Fair Tax takes care of a ton of problems the other tax codes create. With Fair Tax there is no taxation on every aspect of a persons life and there are no return benefits for one person over another. Example: Most of the debate over gay rights goes away because with the IRS abolished and the Fair Tax implemented, there are no more tax advantages for marriage status. Marriage Partners would no longer be discriminated against by the governments tax system.

Fair Tax also taxes everyone who operates in the black market off the record books when those persons by items at stores or services etc from legitimate businesses. That is a huge amount of taxes that here to fore go uncollected at the Federal Level due to the archaic broken system the IRS currently uses that benefits a favored few over the majority.

The Military of course always has the option of buying taxablegoods and services on base at discounted prices and no taxes. Makes the Fair Tax for them even more appealing.

Again, Recommendation, otherwise it contradicts GA #17

[Baden Baden]

How nations manage taxes is of no business of the WA as it is not an international issue and it comes into conflict with already existing legislation. Strongly opposed.

Fully agree and share your opposition to this

[Imperium Anglorum]

Abolish the Internal Revenue Code and install the Fair Tax including the exempt items that are not taxable and including the exempt status persons who are at or under the level of income so that they do not pay any tax.

OOC: What is this Internal Revenue Code?

Fair Tax takes care of a ton of problems the other tax codes create. With Fair Tax there is no taxation on every aspect of a persons life and there are no return benefits for one person over another. Example: Most of the debate over gay rights goes away because with the IRS abolished and the Fair Tax implemented, there are no more tax advantages for marriage status. Marriage Partners would no longer be discriminated against by the governments tax system.

OOC: No idea what an IRS is nor what this Fair Tax is.

Fair Tax also taxes everyone who operates in the black market off the record books when those persons by items at stores or services etc from legitimate businesses. That is a huge amount of taxes that here to fore go uncollected at the Federal Level due to the archaic broken system the IRS currently uses that benefits a favored few over the majority.

OOC: What is a 'Federal Level' or an IRS?

[Caracasus]

Ambassador, If you want any chance of passing this, extend this to all workers and change it to a "recommendation" rather than a mandate.

Then this proposal would be guilty of doing nothing, ambassador.

Frankly we feel the only way to make this even remotely passable (please note we are stretching the definition of passable here) would be to put forward a proposal that mandates nations take reasonable care for their ex-armed forces in terms of support back into civilian life and/or medical aid - and looks after the families they may leave behind if killed in action.

OOC: Think about your aim, then think "what is the bare minimum I need to legislate to achieve this?"

Then spend about three weeks debating the loopholes, realise that it doesn't really work, and there's no way to close said loopholes without destroying the resolution. Scrap it.

Start again when you get another idea. You'll probably scrap that two.

Then maybe, around about the third or fourth idea you turn into a proposal, you might have something that could fly. Still, probably worth it as the WA is fun.

[LEGGETT EMPIRE]

I never thought of that thank you!

[Imperium Anglorum]

Whatever it is, I still don't know what this proposal DOES, since all it does other than defining things is: 'Shall not be taxed and considered part of personal income'. Who shall not be taxed?

[LEGGETT EMPIRE]

Thank you Ambassador Baden Baden! If we change the language to what the Ambassadeur has proposed and would someone be willing to help in this resolution be put to a vote and support it.

[LEGGETT EMPIRE]

Thank you Ambassador Caracasus I look forward to working with you in the WA

[Deropia]

Lieutenant-Commander MacAlister adjusts his thin framed glasses, steely blue eyes reading over the proposition and the suggested revisions. "I'm sorry, ambassador, but there is absolutely no way the MILITARY State of Deropia can support any form of legislation that restricts how we tax our populace. Besides, given the fact that our government and public services are all fall into our militaries chain of command it may seem rather...self serving...if we where to support this proposal to quorum. Besides, doing so would cause our taxation system to implode, forcing us to make cuts across the board. As such, we stand staunchly OPPOSED."

[Normlpeople]

"Its not my job to write it for you" Clover said "especially if I do not support it. I am still trying to figure out how you believe tax exemptions are not infringing on nations full authority over domestic taxation. I shall submit an illegality challenge on those grounds should this reach the floor."

OOC: I can understand you are new and passionate, but we take the WA roleplay seriously. You still dont even have a category and strength. I would suggest scrapping this, reading the rules/FAQ and passed resolutions stickies at the top of the forum, and participating in debates as an ambassador to get an understanding of how things work before attempting authorship.

[LEGGETT EMPIRE]

The Good Ambassador of Normlpeople I appreciate your words but please don't confuse my friendship for idleness. I merely asked if you wanted to help not write it for me. And I welcome any challenge. The worst mistake is to misunderstand and underestimate. Now I intend to rewrite this for a more appealing view. And I think will be welcomed once it is rewritten. And I take my role very serious as well.

[Normlpeople]

OOC: don't mistake my words and Clover's, this is an in-character roleplay forum. I hear that all the time, worst thing is inaction, etc... The worst thing is to ignore legitimate advice, submit illegal proposals, and find your stay in the WA short when you are ejected.

That said, I, and Clover, will wait for the rewrite.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Now I intend to rewrite this for a more appealing view. And I think will be welcomed once it is rewritten. And I take my role very serious as well.

I hope that whatever you write, it is clearly understandable.