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LEGGETT EMPIRE
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Postby LEGGETT EMPIRE » Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:24 am

My dear Ambassadors! I am apparently drawing attention to myself. I have taken some hits verbally and I have had some correction by those who I now consider very helpful and wise in our beloved World Assembly. Today I ask for your help.

I ask that you look inside your country and ask if everyone is paying there fair share of patriotism? Not just that but humanitarianism. Are your beloved heroes in uniform whether it be in blue, yellow or camouflage and their families being treated with help and care if they have been permanently hurt or have died in combat of any kind. I know it pains those of us who see it but wish we could do more.

Are you also tired of those who get away with exempt taxes of any kind. Churches, special privileges whatever the case paying taxes is not just a patriotic duty but humanitarian as well because funds can be used to help those in your country or more. And those items that get exempt in them. You know what I speak of. Sometimes it makes it harder on us and our nations because of such things.

Well I have a solution with The Fair Tax for Heroes Resolution
With this resolution the taxes you collect from those who want to claim exempt are not anymore because they should be doing their patriotic and humanitarian duty to pay taxes and those items that are being tax exempt will now have a tax. And those funds can go to those injured in the line of duty who are permanently handicap and or have died so their families can still make ends meat. And funds leftover can go to the treasury to use as you please.

1. Those who claim to be tax exempt are no longer. Individuals and corporations and churches must pay taxes placed by individuals governments.
2. All items listed Tax Exempt must now have a tax placed on them placed by countries and or individuals government.
3. All funds will be used to help those hurt permanently or have died in the line of duty
A. Those including military personnel or families whom have lost those in combat.
B. Those who work for the fire departments or families who have lost those in combat of fire
C. Those who work for any and all law enforcement or families who have lost those in the line of duty
4. All funds leftover at the end of the fiscal year go directly into national treasuries to be used as for whatever the nation needs or desires.
5. Each country can participate if it chooses. This resolution enforces those who wish to can create a such law in their country and enforce by international standards.

The resolution gives the country the ability to enforce this form of law if it so chooses so that it may claim monies for those who have given service to there country in any form and help those permanently wounded. As well as end tax exempt loop holes in their country and have more funds for the people of the country.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:52 am

Quite frankly, any nations tax code is nobodies business but theirs. Not an international issue.
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Postby The Alexanderians » Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:54 am

Grays Harbor wrote:Quite frankly, any nations tax code is nobodies business but theirs. Not an international issue.

Not that I'm disagreeing but when has that ever stopped a proposal from getting to vote?
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:20 pm

"Keep your bloody hands off our internal tax policy. Opposed."

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Postby Alqania » Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:21 pm

"This would seem to contradict Resolution #17 WA General Fund", argued Lord Raekevik.

WA General Fund wrote:8. Affirms the right of member nations to maintain full authority over domestic taxation policies, barring those that may include unfair discriminatory practices;
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:23 pm

Alqania wrote:"This would seem to contradict Resolution #17 WA General Fund", argued Lord Raekevik.

WA General Fund wrote:8. Affirms the right of member nations to maintain full authority over domestic taxation policies, barring those that may include unfair discriminatory practices;

"This topic could be considered to be unfair or discriminatory, but only at a stretch. Rather like complying with NEF."

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Postby Alqania » Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:36 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Alqania wrote:"This would seem to contradict Resolution #17 WA General Fund", argued Lord Raekevik.


"This topic could be considered to be unfair or discriminatory, but only at a stretch. Rather like complying with NEF."


"How exactly could taxing veterans, or their families, like everyone else constitute discrimination? Such a system would seem to be the exact opposite of discrimination, either positive or negative."
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Postby Wrapper » Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:48 pm

Alqania wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"This topic could be considered to be unfair or discriminatory, but only at a stretch. Rather like complying with NEF."


"How exactly could taxing veterans, or their families, like everyone else constitute discrimination? Such a system would seem to be the exact opposite of discrimination, either positive or negative."

Well, enacting this proposal would certainly be discriminatory. A nation would have to offset the loss of tax revenue by increasing the taxes of non-veterans -- thereby, discriminating against non-veterans based solely on their status as non-veterans.

It goes without saying, we the Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper, brackets-pacifists-end-brackets, stand opposed. Even though this would have no tangible effect on us, since we haven't been involved in war in centuries and therefore have no veterans, we do believe that this would violate GAR#17.

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Postby LEGGETT EMPIRE » Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:53 pm

I would disagree. This would only affect a fraction of your so called taxes. And I'd does not impose anything wrong or discriminatory. In fact you are helping those who have given service of life on the line if you will whether it be safety devices or your personal military soldiers.

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Postby LEGGETT EMPIRE » Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:54 pm

Let's bring it to a vote. If it fails then it was never meant to be of it does then it was just and right.

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Postby LEGGETT EMPIRE » Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:59 pm

This only maintains to funds given or raised to the individual and or family left behind. The normal income is still taxed but not monies given or raised in the event of permanent injury or death of service member. A mere fraction of taxes.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:34 pm

LEGGETT EMPIRE wrote:Let's bring it to a vote. If it fails then it was never meant to be of it does then it was just and right.

That isn't how this works. However it is, you need to read the rules at the top of the forum. There is a number of rules which your proposal must abide by to not be removed by the moderators.

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Postby Normlpeople » Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:57 pm

OOC: 2nd clause.... Holy run-on sentence..

IC: "This would and could affect a significant amount of our taxes as literally every adult citizen is considered military under our conscription system.

We do not see this as being an international issue, nor do we see this as legal. I shall state my opposition."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:00 pm

LEGGETT EMPIRE wrote:Let's bring it to a vote. If it fails then it was never meant to be of it does then it was just and right.

"You are receiving nothing but opposition from several experienced ambassadors. You really ought to listen to what's being said."

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Postby Normlpeople » Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:08 pm

LEGGETT EMPIRE wrote:This only maintains to funds given or raised to the individual and or family left behind. The normal income is still taxed but not monies given or raised in the event of permanent injury or death of service member. A mere fraction of taxes.


OOC: You need to clarify this then. In either case, internal taxation is not the WAs business
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Postby LEGGETT EMPIRE » Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:46 pm

I am quite aware of rules. For instance I need two to sponsor and such. And I am only getting opposition so far from you very few which is to be expected.

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Postby LEGGETT EMPIRE » Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:48 pm

If the good Ambassador from Normlpeople has better language I welcome it.

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Postby Caracasus » Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:50 pm

No ambassador, we do not accept this at all. In Caracasus we choose to support our veterans with an highly-funded national health system and a solid welfare state among other methods. Unfortunately, to pay for this high level of support, we need taxes. We would suggest, ambassador that you think about what you wish to achieve and leave the how up to individual nations.
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Postby Baden Baden » Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:53 pm

We will keep the right to tax whatever and whomever we want and we say NAY

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Postby LEGGETT EMPIRE » Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:53 pm

What about removing language about military and only for the firefighters and police.

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Postby Baden Baden » Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:54 pm

LEGGETT EMPIRE wrote:What about removing language about military and only for the firefighters and police.

Still NAY

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Postby Caracasus » Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:55 pm

LEGGETT EMPIRE wrote:What about removing language about military and only for the firefighters and police.


That frankly would be worse. Do not tell us, ambassador, how to support our citizens.
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Postby Baden Baden » Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:55 pm

THE WORLD ASSEMBLY HAS NO RIGHT TO TELL US HOW WE TAX OUR OWN PEOPLE

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Postby Kaboomlandia » Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:57 pm

Baden Baden wrote:THE WORLD ASSEMBLY HAS NO RIGHT TO TELL US HOW WE TAX OUR OWN PEOPLE

OOC: Please don't post in all-caps. That tends to get interpreted as shouting.

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In=character, Kaboomlandia is a World Assembly member and abides by its resolutions. If this nation isn't in the WA, it's for practical reasons.
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Postby Wrapper » Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:58 pm

LEGGETT EMPIRE wrote:I am quite aware of rules.

Apparently, dear ambassador, you are not yet quite aware of all the rules:

Alqania wrote:"This would seem to contradict Resolution #17 WA General Fund", argued Lord Raekevik.

WA General Fund wrote:8. Affirms the right of member nations to maintain full authority over domestic taxation policies, barring those that may include unfair discriminatory practices;
Types of Violations wrote:Contradiction

Diametric opposite to Duplication. The WA has already mandated Gay Marriage. You can't ban it without at least one Repeal.

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