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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:45 am

"Oi, I'm sick of this bloody space shit!"

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Recognizing space as the final frontier;

Admiring the spirit of exploration and curiosity that drives us to boldly go where none have gone before;

Believing international cooperation is only way to truly develop space science research, and;

Seeking to remedy the significant shortcomings of preceding attempts,

  1. The World Assembly establishes the International Aero-Space Administration (IASA), and empowers it with the following mandate:

    1. To coordinate and publish public research in the field of space exploration, aerospace science and engineering, and other disciplines related to the pursuit of space science;

    2. To liaise with the WA Scientific Programme and coordinate the release of non-classified research and development within the disciplines of aerospace research and space exploration;

    3. To further liaise with the International Meteorological Organisation (IMO) on coordination and safety issues involved with terrestrial space launches;

    4. To provide on request both technical assistance and advisors for developing and building civilian space programs within member states by sharing technical, organizational, and administrative data with those programs to keep fledgling space programs safe and effective.

    5. To research and disseminate best management practices regarding space exploration and research safety;

    6. To act as an intermediary, upon request, for international cooperation on joint space programs.
  2. Member states must liaise with IASA, the IMO, and parallel national authorities governing airspace in foreign territory so as to coordinate flight plans to avoid conflict, collision, or other unintended risk to other spacecraft. Where reasonably practical, member states will so liaise for all nonmilitary spacecraft launched from their suborbital space which might cross into either international or foreign national airspace or territory;

  3. Member states are strongly encouraged to share their research with both other member states and IASA, for the betterment of all scientific development;

  4. The World Assembly renounces any direct authority over domestic space programs or their operations, and reserves them entirely to their respective national jurisdictions.


"Perhaps with a very mildly designed committee, there will be enough cooperation between member states to stop this constant attempt to fork over space sovereignty to the WA? I live in eternal hope."
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Postby Wrapper » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:37 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Oi, I'm sick of this bloody space shit!"

Okay, first off, you probably aren't using your waste evacuation unit correctly, and second you should probably have a doctor look at th--

(Ahume taps Ari's shoulder, and points to the new proposal.)

Oh... that bloody space shit. Hmmm very well....

Recognizing space as the final frontier;

Uh, we're pretty sure that's not technically correct, but no big deal, and it does sound pretty, so, moving on.

Heartily enshrining the spirit of exploration and curiosity that drives us to go where no one has gone before;

Oh my. Now that does sound exciting. My assistant is about to wet himself. (Wad Ahume does a double-take.) Continue, please.

Believing international cooperation to be the only way to truly develop space science research, and;

Seeking to remedy the significant shortcomings of preceding attempts,

My dear friend, your way with words are a relief to these ears. Especially the spittle-filled one on the left. (Ahume shoots him a dirty look.)

The World Assembly hereby,

Establishes the International Aero-Space Administration (IASA), and empowers it with the following mandate:

Ohhh, you had us, and then you give it a silly name. We would have expected something like, ummm, the Universal Space and Subspace Enterprise (USS Enterprise), but eh, we suppose not every committee name must roll off the tongue.

To coordinate and publish public research in the field of space exploration, aerospace science and engineering, and other disciplines related to the pursuit of space science;

Hmmm, so, information collection and distribution, courtesy of the WA. Provided that we control what information we can give to the WA -- there are technologies that we are not permitted to share with more, ahem, militant states, shall we say, not to mention the more primitiv-- er, the, less-advanced ones that don't have the ability to grasp some of the concepts... eh, you get our point.

To liaise with the WA Scientific Programme on the coordination and release of non-classified research and development related to the disciplines of aerospace research and space exploration;

To further liaise specifically with the International Meteorological Organisation (IMO) regarding coordination and safety considerations involved with terrestrial space launches;

Why, yes, these seem quite reasonable. Non-classified R&D efforts, meteorological conditions and the like, all acceptable.

To provide, upon request, technical assistance for developing and building those space programs within member states that have a distinctly civilian orientation, by sharing technical, organizational, and administrative data with those programs, with the intention of providing fledgling space programs all the information necessary to remain efficient and effective;

Not sure what you mean here by "member states that have a distinctly civilian orientation". That said, as long as we are not ceding any control, nor required to submit information that we cannot disseminate, no objection here.

To research and disseminate best management practices regarding safety as it pertains to space exploration and research.

Ah, "BMPs", yes, indeed. That's much more acceptable and malleable than blanket decrees like "stop flying spacecraft that needs repair" or some such nonsense.

The World Assembly further:

Requires member states engaging in nonmilitary space launches expected or with the possibility of crossing into either international or foreign national air or space to liaise with IASA and the IMO to coordinate flight plans to avoid conflict, collision, or other unintended risk to other space programs or launches;

Ummm now we're straying off course a tad. Why exempt military launches? If you're going to cite secrecy, why not afford the same level of secrecy to non-military spacecraft?

Strongly encourages member states to share their research with IASA, for the betterment of all scientific development.

As stated, though we have much knowledge to share, there are things that we simply cannot share; that said, since this is merely strong encouragement, we do not object to this clause.

This appears to be a fine start, Ambassador, and certainly something we can support with a tweak or two.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:28 am

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Recognizing space as the final frontier;

Uh, we're pretty sure that's not technically correct, but no big deal, and it does sound pretty, so, moving on.

"Flashy lead-ins are always eaten up."

The World Assembly hereby,

Establishes the International Aero-Space Administration (IASA), and empowers it with the following mandate:

Ohhh, you had us, and then you give it a silly name. We would have expected something like, ummm, the Universal Space and Subspace Enterprise (USS Enterprise), but eh, we suppose not every committee name must roll off the tongue.

"The name is always up for debate, my friend. I was just being inclusive of different options."

OOC: Gotta make a nod to more then just Star Trek!"

To coordinate and publish public research in the field of space exploration, aerospace science and engineering, and other disciplines related to the pursuit of space science;

Hmmm, so, information collection and distribution, courtesy of the WA. Provided that we control what information we can give to the WA -- there are technologies that we are not permitted to share with more, ahem, militant states, shall we say, not to mention the more primitiv-- er, the, less-advanced ones that don't have the ability to grasp some of the concepts... eh, you get our point.

"Nothing is mentioned as to whether nations are required to submit such information to IASA. Nations could, theoretically, withhold whatever they wish, the committee is simply tasked with sharing whatever information it does have."

To provide, upon request, technical assistance for developing and building those space programs within member states that have a distinctly civilian orientation, by sharing technical, organizational, and administrative data with those programs, with the intention of providing fledgling space programs all the information necessary to remain efficient and effective;

Not sure what you mean here by "member states that have a distinctly civilian orientation". That said, as long as we are not ceding any control, nor required to submit information that we cannot disseminate, no objection here.

"That was supposed to reference only civilian-oriented space programs. The goal was to exclude the WA assisting in specific military development, which is not to the benefit of all member states. Clearly I'll have to clarify it further. I think I also spot a typo..."

To research and disseminate best management practices regarding safety as it pertains to space exploration and research.

Ah, "BMPs", yes, indeed. That's much more acceptable and malleable than blanket decrees like "stop flying spacecraft that needs repair" or some such nonsense.

"Precisely. States can, and probably should, adopt the best management practices of IASA, but they don't have to. Any damage that results would, theoretically, be their problem."

The World Assembly further:

Requires member states engaging in nonmilitary space launches expected or with the possibility of crossing into either international or foreign national air or space to liaise with IASA and the IMO to coordinate flight plans to avoid conflict, collision, or other unintended risk to other space programs or launches;

Ummm now we're straying off course a tad. Why exempt military launches? If you're going to cite secrecy, why not afford the same level of secrecy to non-military spacecraft?

"The theory here is that military space launches often have a different level of urgency, tolerances, and background intel than civilian launches, and often with much greater necessary secrecy. Besides, any attempt to limit military launches would drag this into the realm of International Security and Global Disarmament. This is included under the umbrella of safety, which IASA already has it's fingers in. Since IASA already liaises with other organizations, it seems streamlined to include this, and the straying is limited enough to warrant, I would believe, remaining in category."

Strongly encourages member states to share their research with IASA, for the betterment of all scientific development.

As stated, though we have much knowledge to share, there are things that we simply cannot share; that said, since this is merely strong encouragement, we do not object to this clause.

"Precisely the point."

This appears to be a fine start, Ambassador, and certainly something we can support with a tweak or two.

"Much appreciated! Honestly, anything that presents as a barrier, however small, to the overbearing methods that some ambassadors are intent upon is a plus. While this certainly wont block future attempts to claim space under the jackboot of the WA, it will discourage those who would equate a lack of coordination in space as an invitation to write whatever they want."

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Postby Wrapper » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:53 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:"The name is always up for debate, my friend. I was just being inclusive of different options."

OOC: Gotta make a nod to more then just Star Trek!"

OOC: Oh, frelling dren, how did I miss that? :bow:

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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:10 am

As the problem of near-planetary traffic coordination is the most pressing issue facing nations in the category of space flight; yet somehow not one damn word about it appeared in the abomination that recently passed this augustly absurdist body; we fully support this draft. We agree with your estimation of the lack of need to require military launches to coordinate with IASA traffic control, especially since many such launches are openly disclosed anyway (the fact of the launch, not necessarily its mission or payload). Frankly they're a little difficult to hide anyway. I don't foresee any difficulties with this resolution. I'll let it percolate in my head a bit, but I don't think this draft will need much more tweaking than you already seem to have mentioned.
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Postby Caracasus » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:34 am

We feel this proposal gains something of a head start purely in comparison to the dross already submitted and passed that legislate for space travel.

Having said that, this makes a lot of sense. We cannot find any fault with this. The only suggestion we would have to make is perhaps whatever the good ambassador chooses to name the body, suggesting it acts as a mediator between poorer nations who wish to co-operate and share the costs of a space venture.

But yes, we would vote for this.
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Postby Mundiferrum » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:48 am

We prefer USS Enterprise, if only because it's more troublesome to type out than IASA. Other than that....well, we're yet to make a proper response for this, so yeah.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:15 am

Caracasus wrote:We feel this proposal gains something of a head start purely in comparison to the dross already submitted and passed that legislate for space travel.

Having said that, this makes a lot of sense. We cannot find any fault with this. The only suggestion we would have to make is perhaps whatever the good ambassador chooses to name the body, suggesting it acts as a mediator between poorer nations who wish to co-operate and share the costs of a space venture.

But yes, we would vote for this.


"I could easily add that to the duties of the committee. Something like, "...To act as an intermediary, upon request, for international cooperation between nations, to better facilitate equitable resource division in joint projects". I certainly have enough space for it.

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:As the problem of near-planetary traffic coordination is the most pressing issue facing nations in the category of space flight; yet somehow not one damn word about it appeared in the abomination that recently passed this augustly absurdist body; we fully support this draft. We agree with your estimation of the lack of need to require military launches to coordinate with IASA traffic control, especially since many such launches are openly disclosed anyway (the fact of the launch, not necessarily its mission or payload). Frankly they're a little difficult to hide anyway. I don't foresee any difficulties with this resolution. I'll let it percolate in my head a bit, but I don't think this draft will need much more tweaking than you already seem to have mentioned.


"I'm glad to hear it. Surprised, too, since I stole it from an intern wrote this in about 10 minutes. I figured, since there are parties out there hell-bent on legislation on space exploration, the last I could to do show them the proper way to do it."

Tinfect wrote:"Ambassador, I'm not going to lie, I expected this to be another abomination. However, I am pleased to say that it was in fact quite a reasonable bit of legislation. The Imperium will support this when it comes to vote."


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Mundiferrum wrote:We prefer USS Enterprise, if only because it's more troublesome to type out than IASA. Other than that....well, we're yet to make a proper response for this, so yeah.


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He pauses, then continues shortly thereafter, 'There simply is no reason to pursue such a matter upon which there is no overriding agreement'.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:27 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:'Sorry old friend', Parsons says as he returns from Greyhall just to be here to tell Bell in person; 'I can't support this. Nor can the Empire. The fact of the matter is', Parsons stops as he looks up to glance at the floor for a millisecond, 'we don't want any legislation on this topic. We want nothing whatsoever about space'.

He pauses, then continues shortly thereafter, 'There simply is no reason to pursue such a matter upon which there is no overriding agreement'.


"Oh, come now, Parsons. This requires only that your space program, should you have one, talk to IASA when you send something up. Everything else is either optional, or pertaining to entirely optional data transfer and intergovernmental cooperation, all of which is handled by the WA and not member states. Whether you like it or not, the World Assembly has legislated on space several times. We even had a space station here, though that's since been blown to bits, and the Defwaens passed a law that is just filled with more stringent action clauses than this. You've rather well missed the boat to avoid any legislation on the topic."

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Postby Bitely » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:42 am

It's nice to see my legislation have such an impact.
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Bitely wrote:It's nice to see my legislation have such an impact.

"Much in the way that it was nice to see the results of apartheid have such a long-lasting effect on how populations view racial inequality, yes. Making an impact is not always a good thing. Your terrible, terrible resolution has sparked attempts to replace it with something less terrible, and opened the population's eyes to exactly how bad the situation was. You are a menace. It is my hope that, by providing something to fill the upcoming legislative vacuum, this entire incident can be put firmly to rest."
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Separatist Peoples wrote:
Bitely wrote:It's nice to see my legislation have such an impact.

"Much in the way that it was nice to see the results of apartheid have such a long-lasting effect on how populations view racial inequality, yes. Making an impact is not always a good thing. Your terrible, terrible resolution has sparked attempts to replace it with something less terrible, and opened the population's eyes to exactly how bad the situation was. You are a menace. It is my hope that, by providing something to fill the upcoming legislative vacuum, this entire incident can be put firmly to rest."


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And says to his secretary :"If my fellow ambassadors think I'm a menace now just wait tell my IBS kicks in."
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Bitely wrote:
*Sitting in his office located on the 5th floor of the WAs Ambassadors Office Building. The Ambassador of Bitely eats his Reuben sandwich as he goes over piles of WA paperwork.*
And says to his secretary :"If my fellow ambassadors think I'm a menace now just wait tell my IBS kicks in."



"Well, if the ambassador from Bitly is quite done being a distraction, is there anything anybody would like to see added? Obviously, this won't go forward until the World Space Abomination is repealed, but that seems to be a strong possibility."

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Separatist Peoples wrote:
Bitely wrote:
*Sitting in his office located on the 5th floor of the WAs Ambassadors Office Building. The Ambassador of Bitely eats his Reuben sandwich as he goes over piles of WA paperwork.*
And says to his secretary :"If my fellow ambassadors think I'm a menace now just wait tell my IBS kicks in."



"Well, if the ambassador from Bitly is quite done being a distraction, is there anything anybody would like to see added? Obviously, this won't go forward until the World Space Abomination is repealed, but that seems to be a strong possibility."

Sorry to bother you but I was just informed that the restroom on the 5th floor is out of order. I'll have to come down to the 3rd floor woman's restroom to alleviate my IBS.
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Bitely wrote:Sorry to bother you but I was just informed that the restroom on the 5th floor is out of order. I'll have to come down to the 3rd floor woman's restroom to alleviate my IBS.


"Those offices are occupied and the doors locked. You will not be allowed in. Stop derailing this debate."

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Separatist Peoples wrote:
Bitely wrote:Sorry to bother you but I was just informed that the restroom on the 5th floor is out of order. I'll have to come down to the 3rd floor woman's restroom to alleviate my IBS.


"Those offices are occupied and the doors locked. You will not be allowed in. Stop derailing this debate."

*Ambassadors IBS kicks in. Runs over to the office nearest the 3rd floor women's restroom and sits on the trash can*
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:25 pm

Bitely wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:
"Those offices are occupied and the doors locked. You will not be allowed in. Stop derailing this debate."

*Ambassadors IBS kicks in. Runs over to the office nearest the 3rd floor women's restroom and sits on the trash can*

OOC: You don't get to roleplay what happens in my offices. That never happened. The doors remained locked and secured. Stop derailing my thread.
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Postby Caracasus » Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:37 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Caracasus wrote:We feel this proposal gains something of a head start purely in comparison to the dross already submitted and passed that legislate for space travel.

Having said that, this makes a lot of sense. We cannot find any fault with this. The only suggestion we would have to make is perhaps whatever the good ambassador chooses to name the body, suggesting it acts as a mediator between poorer nations who wish to co-operate and share the costs of a space venture.

But yes, we would vote for this.


"I could easily add that to the duties of the committee. Something like, "...To act as an intermediary, upon request, for international cooperation between nations, to better facilitate equitable resource division in joint projects". I certainly have enough space for it.


We would definitely support such a measure, in this instance. It appears to us that should a World Assembly space administration exist in any shape or form, this and the points outlined in your resolution previously would be precisely what it should be doing.
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Postby Caracasus » Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:38 pm

Bitely wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:
"Those offices are occupied and the doors locked. You will not be allowed in. Stop derailing this debate."

*Ambassadors IBS kicks in. Runs over to the office nearest the 3rd floor women's restroom and sits on the trash can*


Sigh. Does the good ambassador wish to do literally to the offices of the WA what they have already succeeded in doing metaphorically?
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Postby Annakha » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:07 pm

Given that our entire nation is already in space, the Generation Ship Annakha refuses to recognize an attempt by any nation or group of nations to regulate the movement of free people through space.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:13 pm

Annakha wrote:Given that our entire nation is already in space, the Generation Ship Annakha refuses to recognize an attempt by any nation or group of nations to regulate the movement of free people through space.

"Fortunately, this doesn't attempt that at all."

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Postby The Defwaen Confederation » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:51 pm

I think I'm missing where nations are required to take action outside of the committee.

I'd also like some kind of line guaranteeing that the WA will not claim ownership of nation's space programs or vessels. Something along those lines- don't want someone else trying to take every program and turn it into one unit.
Some stated limits on IASA power might be good too- in case someone like Bitley comes in and tries to expand their powers.
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