by Lydondom » Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:53 pm
by Flibbleites » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:08 pm
Hmm, I was always under the impression that giving children the opportunity to go to school (and therefore no longer being illiterate) was kind of the whole point of the resolution.Lydondom wrote:Preliminary Text
"The General Assembly,
Understanding that the industry of nations (especially those with less long-lived citizens) could benefit immensely from a younger source of labor;
Further understanding non-laborious jobs such as flipping burgers are often unavailable to underprivileged illiterate children;
Not true, there is no GA resolution which sets an age of majority, ergo it is left up to the nations to set it wherever they see see fit be it age 2 or age 202.Lydondom wrote:Noting that by stating any person "below the legal age of majority" is a minor, General Assembly Resolution #4 prevents 15, 16, 17 and 18 year olds around the world from gainfully providing for themselves or younger citizens;
Whatever you say Mr. Scrooge.Lydondom wrote:Realizing that employment in factories or such is a blessed alternative to a young life on the streets, especially when the worker is a resident at the factory, yet such employment is banned under clause (B7) as being "unreasonably confined;"
And where exactly are these children's parents in all of this?Lydondom wrote:Further realizing that Clause (B7), which bans work that would prevent "the pursuit of a full-time education" completely prohibits minors from working long enough hours to maintain a decent standard of living
Did you not read clause D of Restrictions on Child Labor? It's pretty clear that minors are forbidden from performing sexual acts which would include prostitution. Furthermore, isn't it kind of sexist of you to say that only the females will become prostitutes? Surely you've heard of male prostitutes before?Lydondom wrote:Questioning whether "certain basic protections" "provided to all children" should allow children to starve in the street unable to work at a job;
Empathizing with younger nations that require additional labor if they wish to catch up to more developed nation-states;
Convinced that General Assembly Resolution #4 Restrictions on Child Labor overly legislates against street orphans who could use both a place to live and a way to eat, especially those in the 15-18 year old range (who are often defined as 'minors');
Further convinced that young children of the street, especially young girls, will be unwillingly forced into a life of prostitution in order to survive childhood,
We have one on the books already, it's the one you're trying to repeal. It allows businesses to hire minors provided the jobs meet the very reasonable restrictions laid out in the resolution. Yes it prohibits you from having 10 year olds working in your coal mines for 27 hours a day, yes it stops you from chaining them to the sewing machines of your sweatshops, yes it keeps them out of the front lines of your armed forces (for that matter, the back lines too), and yes it prevents you from producing child pornography and having child brothels. All of these restrictions are perfectly reasonable, unless your name is Ebeneezer Scrooge.Lydondom wrote:whereas the boys will subscribe to a life of petty crime
Taking it as a statement of truth that General Assembly Resolution #4 must be repealed and replaced with a statute that allows older children to provide for themselves and to labor for a benevolent businessman willing to take them off the streets;
Lydondom wrote:Repeals General Assembly Resolution #4, Restrictions on Child Labor"
Suggestions welcome and requested
by Losthaven » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:02 pm
by Lydondom » Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:08 pm
Flibbleites wrote:Hmm, I was always under the impression that giving children the opportunity to go to school (and therefore no longer being illiterate) was kind of the whole point of the resolution.
Again, I left things too open, although I think the assumption that the age will generally be around 18 is reasonable.Flibbleites wrote:Not true, there is no GA resolution which sets an age of majority, ergo it is left up to the nations to set it wherever they see see fit be it age 2 or age 202.
Flibbleites wrote:Whatever you say Mr. Scrooge.
Again, my proposal is geared towards underprivileged urchin (generally, but not necessarily, orphaned) children as I believe the current law does not account for them adequately. It seems I need to argue this more clearly, but I hesitated from specifically saying orphan because not every child without a home is orphaned.Flibbleites wrote:And where exactly are these children's parents in all of this?
Flibbleites wrote:Did you not read clause D of Restrictions on Child Labor? It's pretty clear that minors are forbidden from performing sexual acts which would include prostitution.
Flibbleites wrote:Furthermore, isn't it kind of sexist of you to say that only the females will become prostitutes? Surely you've heard of male prostitutes before?
Flibbleites wrote:We have one on the books already, it's the one you're trying to repeal. It allows businesses to hire minors provided the jobs meet the very reasonable restrictions laid out in the resolution.
Flibbleites wrote:You do realize the ridiculousness of using a "Think of the children" argument on a resolution that was passed on a "Think of the children" argument, right?
by Tinfect » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:09 pm
Lydondom wrote:Understanding that the industry of nations (especially those with less long-lived citizens) could benefit immensely from a younger source of labor;
Lydondom wrote:Further understanding non-laborious jobs such as flipping burgers are often unavailable to underprivileged illiterate children;
Lydondom wrote:Noting that by stating any person "below the legal age of majority" is a minor, General Assembly Resolution #4 prevents 15, 16, 17 and 18 year olds around the world from gainfully providing for themselves or younger citizens
Lydondom wrote:Realizing that employment in factories or such is a blessed alternative to a young life on the streets, especially when the worker is a resident at the factory, yet such employment is banned under clause (B7) as being "unreasonably confined;"
Lydondom wrote:Further realizing that Clause (B7), which bans work that would prevent "the pursuit of a full-time education" completely prohibits minors from working long enough hours to maintain a decent standard of living
Lydondom wrote:Questioning whether "certain basic protections" "provided to all children" should allow children to starve in the street unable to work at a job;
Lydondom wrote:Further convinced that young children of the street, especially young girls, will be unwillingly forced into a life of prostitution in order to survive childhood, whereas the boys will subscribe to a life of petty crime
Lydondom wrote:Taking it as a statement of truth that General Assembly Resolution #4 must be repealed and replaced with a statute that allows older children to provide for themselves and to labor for a benevolent businessman willing to take them off the streets;
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by Caracasus » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:17 pm
Realizing that employment in factories or such is a blessed alternative to a young life on the streets, especially when the worker is a resident at the factory, yet such employment is banned under clause (B7) as being "unreasonably confined;"
Further realizing that Clause (B7), which bans work that would prevent "the pursuit of a full-time education" completely prohibits minors from working long enough hours to maintain a decent standard of living
by Jarish Inyo » Fri Jun 26, 2015 3:05 am
by New Romanian Union » Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:26 am
by Separatist Peoples » Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:38 am
New Romanian Union wrote:This is pure capitalism! Everything in the name of the profit! The kids must go to school, they need education they are not materials to be used for the profits of the fat cats!! We need a programme which should take every kid from the street and send that kid to school.
by United industrial » Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:18 pm
by Imperium Anglorum » Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:24 pm
United industrial wrote:i support this bill completely. child labor may seem barbaric and draconian but look at it this way it gives the kids another alternative other then petty crime. It will teach them to be more responsible citizens in the long run. And the insinuation that those that support this resolution are not modernized is insulting. That being said i support this resolution and encourage my fellow WA members to vote on this resolution.
Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: this is a pure gravedig. It's been over a month and a half since this was discussed.
by Wallenburg » Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:34 am
by Belrune » Sat Aug 15, 2015 12:08 am
by Caracasus » Sat Aug 15, 2015 1:43 am
Belrune wrote:I could support this resolution, provided that a sister-resolution were passed requiring certain safety and health protections, and limiting what type of labor workers under a certain age were allowed to do.
I could tolerate child labor for things like janitorial work (mopping floors), or deliveries, or door to door sales, picking fruit, and other generally safe labor, but more dangerous work, such as factory work, or mining, etc should be left up to adults.
by Flibbleites » Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:07 pm
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