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Sierra Lyricalia
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Fri May 08, 2015 8:07 pm

OOC: The heavy-handedness with which you're attempting to legislate a highly nuanced and complicated area of public policy is perhaps your biggest issue. Simply placing enormous hurdles in the path of anyone who seeks prescription drugs, without regard for any dire need they might have for their legitimate use - is so short-sighted that Grays Harbor's reaction is frankly restrained. Forget for a minute that just on general principle thousands of nations are simply not going to vote to deprive their citizens of fun and useful chemicals - the enormous changes wrought by prohibition are going to cost a lot, both in the government budget to enforce and to the economy as legitimate businesses are spontaneously outlawed or hamstrung. You're going to have to do a lot of work, both to reel this in so it addresses its topic modestly and precisely and to convince the electorate that any restriction whatsoever is even remotely better than their national status quo.
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Karakis
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Postby Karakis » Fri May 08, 2015 9:03 pm

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:OOC: The heavy-handedness with which you're attempting to legislate a highly nuanced and complicated area of public policy is perhaps your biggest issue. Simply placing enormous hurdles in the path of anyone who seeks prescription drugs, without regard for any dire need they might have for their legitimate use - is so short-sighted that Grays Harbor's reaction is frankly restrained. Forget for a minute that just on general principle thousands of nations are simply not going to vote to deprive their citizens of fun and useful chemicals - the enormous changes wrought by prohibition are going to cost a lot, both in the government budget to enforce and to the economy as legitimate businesses are spontaneously outlawed or hamstrung. You're going to have to do a lot of work, both to reel this in so it addresses its topic modestly and precisely and to convince the electorate that any restriction whatsoever is even remotely better than their national status quo.

If you were to read through more carefully, you might have noticed that I had already acknowledged that, and that I have shifted my focus from prescription drug abuse to recreational drug use. Please do not try to correct or fix my problems if you haven't read all the way through to find out that they've already been resolved.

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Postby Grays Harbor » Sat May 09, 2015 2:16 am

Karakis wrote:
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:OOC: The heavy-handedness with which you're attempting to legislate a highly nuanced and complicated area of public policy is perhaps your biggest issue. Simply placing enormous hurdles in the path of anyone who seeks prescription drugs, without regard for any dire need they might have for their legitimate use - is so short-sighted that Grays Harbor's reaction is frankly restrained. Forget for a minute that just on general principle thousands of nations are simply not going to vote to deprive their citizens of fun and useful chemicals - the enormous changes wrought by prohibition are going to cost a lot, both in the government budget to enforce and to the economy as legitimate businesses are spontaneously outlawed or hamstrung. You're going to have to do a lot of work, both to reel this in so it addresses its topic modestly and precisely and to convince the electorate that any restriction whatsoever is even remotely better than their national status quo.

If you were to read through more carefully, you might have noticed that I had already acknowledged that, and that I have shifted my focus from prescription drug abuse to recreational drug use. Please do not try to correct or fix my problems if you haven't read all the way through to find out that they've already been resolved.

Really? You haven't resolved much of anything except for finally dropping the 3 doctor silliness.
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LIMITS the sale of all drugs to licensed pharmacists

And you just made it so all over-the-counter drugs such as alergy medicines, headache medicines, and anti-diarheal medicines, for example, now need to be prescription only. Good show. That is the problem with one size fits all, it tends to fit nobody

OOC: And one more thing, as has been mentioned by numerous people now, edit your latest changes into your first post and spoiler previous versions. What is in the OP is considered by most everybody to be the current version. Wading through an entire thread to see changes is not how it's done.
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Karakis
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Postby Karakis » Sat May 09, 2015 5:58 am

Grays Harbor wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:
LIMITS the sale of all drugs to licensed pharmacists

And you just made it so all over-the-counter drugs such as alergy medicines, headache medicines, and anti-diarheal medicines, for example, now need to be prescription only. Good show. That is the problem with one size fits all, it tends to fit nobody

OOC: And one more thing, as has been mentioned by numerous people now, edit your latest changes into your first post and spoiler previous versions. What is in the OP is considered by most everybody to be the current version. Wading through an entire thread to see changes is not how it's done.

Look, that doesn't mean you need a prescription for over the counter drugs. What it means is that you can't buy them from random people. It doesn't have anything to do with the people BUYING the drugs. It has to do with people being licensed to SELL the drugs.
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Sierra Lyricalia
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Sat May 09, 2015 7:06 am

Karakis wrote:If you were to read through more carefully, you might have noticed that I had already acknowledged that, and that I have shifted my focus from prescription drug abuse to recreational drug use. Please do not try to correct or fix my problems if you haven't read all the way through to find out that they've already been resolved.


Everything I wrote still applies. But fine, if you've just promised to remove all the ham-handed stuff about prescription drugs entirely and are now going to focus only on recreational drugs, I'll only reiterate the part that you need to listen to on that topic:

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:OOC: ...Forget for a minute that just on general principle thousands of nations are simply not going to vote to deprive their citizens of fun and useful chemicals - the enormous changes wrought by prohibition are going to cost a lot, both in the government budget to enforce and to the economy as legitimate businesses are spontaneously outlawed or hamstrung. You're going to have to do a lot of work, both to reel this in so it addresses its topic modestly and precisely and to convince the electorate that any restriction whatsoever is even remotely better than their national status quo.
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Postby Bears Armed » Sat May 09, 2015 8:21 am

DEFINES a drug as a medicine or other substance which has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body.

:roll:
Congratulations, you've just defined all foodstuffs -- and water, too -- as "drugs".
So now all food would have to be sold as drugs for "medical purposes"... and every butcher, baker, grocer, greengrocer, and so on, would have to be a 'licensed pharmacist'.
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Karakis
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Postby Karakis » Sun May 10, 2015 4:26 pm

OK, this goes to everyone who has tried to help me. Thank you all very much, but I think I am going to wait to continue improving this proposal until I have a better handle on the process.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun May 10, 2015 7:53 pm

Karakis wrote:OK, this goes to everyone who has tried to help me. Thank you all very much, but I think I am going to wait to continue approving this proposal until I have a better handle on the process.

"Please, participate in debates and drafting before attempting this again. It's a much easier way to learn. Authors are out into one hell of a crucible when they begin the process, and it's hard to learn everything while also trying to balance a proposal or draft."

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