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Bok Land
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Protect The English Language

Postby Bok Land » Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:17 am

This is the first proposal that was written by the Protectorate of Bok Land, we would appreciate any guidance and support. But for now, debate.

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The Dark Star Republic
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:22 am

4. Invites member nations to pass legislature within their nation that promotes the protection of proper English.

Glorious.

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Postby Bok Land » Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:35 am

The Dark Star Republic wrote:
4. Invites member nations to pass legislature within their nation that promotes the protection of proper English.

Glorious.


I'm glad that you find it so.

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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:36 am

Bok Land wrote:
The Dark Star Republic wrote:Glorious.


I'm glad that you find it so.

Languages, sadly, evolve and the only way to stop their evolution is to kill people. After all, Latin is perfect...and nobody speaks it anymore.
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Bok Land
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Postby Bok Land » Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:40 am

The United Colonies of Earth wrote:
Bok Land wrote:
I'm glad that you find it so.

Languages, sadly, evolve and the only way to stop their evolution is to kill people. After all, Latin is perfect...and nobody speaks it anymore.


I agree that languages should evolve. I just don't believe that it should happen from laziness, typos, or ignorance.

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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:43 am

Bok Land wrote:I just don't believe that it should happen from laziness, typos, or ignorance.

So is using "legislature" instead of "legislation" laziness, a typo, or ignorance?

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Postby Bok Land » Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:46 am

The Dark Star Republic wrote:
Bok Land wrote:I just don't believe that it should happen from laziness, typos, or ignorance.

So is using "legislature" instead of "legislation" laziness, a typo, or ignorance?


That was auto-correct, the fourth thing that I believe shouldn't be allowed to evolve a language. It said legislation in my rough draft, thank you for catching that.

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Postby Bok Land » Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:51 am

Is there a way to edit a proposal?

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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:14 am

Not once it's been submitted, no.

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Postby Bok Land » Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:15 am

The Dark Star Republic wrote:Not once it's been submitted, no.


what do you suggest that I do then?

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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:28 am

1. File a Getting Help Request to request your proposal be removed.
2. Don't resubmit it.
3. Post a draft here for comments.

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Postby Three Weasels » Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:09 am

Reh? What's "English"? You see, we use universal translators so you can understand us. Our language is not English. We speak Clicqwhysism. Without translators, our language is utter gibberish to the untrained ear. So, why would we want to protect a language that is irrelevant to us?
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Postby Hirota » Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:00 am

It's appreciated if you post the body of your proposal in the first post. But because I'm nice:

Protect The English Language

Category: Education and Creativity
Area of Effect: Educational

Description: The World Assembly,
Acknowledging that English is a lingua franca,
Alarmed at the abuse that the English language suffers from daily including, but not limited to:
a. Spelling errors
b. Grammatical errors
c. Punctuation errors,
Having devoted attention to publications by member nations of this body and having found many errors of the above types, both mistakenly or purposefully included in said publications,
Noting that attention to proper use of the English language has declined in recent years,
1. Urges all member nations to use proper grammar and avoid mistakes in any publications that they put forward;
2. Calls upon all member nations to check any works already published for spelling, grammatical, or punctuation errors and, whenever possible, correct the errors;
3. Suggests that any member nation that finds an error in a work published by another member nation reports that error to said owner of the publication in an assertive yet friendly manner;
4. Invites member nations to pass legislation within their nation that promotes the protection of proper English.
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Postby Frustrated Franciscans » Thu Mar 26, 2015 11:15 am

The United Colonies of Earth wrote:Languages, sadly, evolve and the only way to stop their evolution is to kill people. After all, Latin is perfect...and nobody speaks it anymore.


The collapse of the Latin Language was in due part to the complete collapse of the Roman Empire to the point where almost everyone in the far reaches of the Empire became illiterate. It is therefore, highly humorous that the only ones who managed to keep the "Latin" language (the Church) were preserving the lowest form of the language (the language of the people) as opposed to the Latin of the nobles and the well educated.
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Postby Frustrated Franciscans » Thu Mar 26, 2015 11:25 am

Now I would recommend a couple of things to the proposal.

I'd drop "real world" references. "English Language" could easily be replaced with "Common International Trade Language" without any problems.

I think you need to add a convincing international reason to the proposal, otherwise people will say "why bother."

Finally, I'll add two fun mistakes I saw on menus.

"The above is served with a ball of soup."

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Postby Defwa » Thu Mar 26, 2015 11:32 am

Frustrated Franciscans wrote:The collapse of the Latin Language was in due part to the complete collapse of the Roman Empire to the point where almost everyone in the far reaches of the Empire became illiterate.

Have you ever been beaten so terribly that the survivors forgot how to read?
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Mar 26, 2015 11:38 am

Defwa wrote:
Frustrated Franciscans wrote:The collapse of the Latin Language was in due part to the complete collapse of the Roman Empire to the point where almost everyone in the far reaches of the Empire became illiterate.

Have you ever been beaten so terribly that the survivors forgot how to read?

OOC: Didn't that happen to the US in Vietnam? I mean, I can't see anything else that explains the state of our education. :p

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Postby Grays Harbor » Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:09 pm

No, we do not need to frelling legislate frelling grmmar no matter what frelling language people use predominently.
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Postby Ainocra » Thu Mar 26, 2015 11:05 pm

protect it from what exactly?
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:52 am

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Postby Frustrated Franciscans » Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:57 am

Defwa wrote:Have you ever been beaten so terribly that the survivors forgot how to read?


It's not a question of how badly they have been "beaten" but how far they have "fallen."

Dupont points out, "The written word was all around them, in both public and private life: laws, calendars, regulations at shrines, and funeral epitaphs were engraved in stone or bronze. The Republic amassed huge archives of reports on every aspect of public life".
When the Western Roman Empire fell apart literacy became a distinguishing mark of the elite, and communications skills were politically important.
A number of factors suggests that certain scribes who were engaged in copyist work in the first seven centuries or so of the Christian era were trained in a very mechanistic form of writing. The use of continuous script, without word breaks, suggests a very mechanical, letter by letter, approach to copying. Petrucci (Petrucci 1995) goes so far as to suggest that such works were copies for the sake of copying, rather than works for proper reading, and that some of the scribes selected for this work were actually the less intellectually able, who were trained in it as a mechanical skill.
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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:12 am

Ainocra wrote:protect it from what exactly?


The new authors that so graciously come to visit us every summer, and "Herby" declare that "Edcation" should be free everywhere?
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Postby The Lanthanides » Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:41 am

Three Weasels wrote:Reh? What's "English"? You see, we use universal translators so you can understand us. Our language is not English. We speak Clicqwhysism. Without translators, our language is utter gibberish to the untrained ear. So, why would we want to protect a language that is irrelevant to us?


Concurred. We too use a universal translator, and we speak Lanthanic. "English" is not of any relevance to the World Assembly and therefore should not be protected.
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Bok Land
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Postby Bok Land » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:30 pm

The Lanthanides wrote:
Three Weasels wrote:Reh? What's "English"? You see, we use universal translators so you can understand us. Our language is not English. We speak Clicqwhysism. Without translators, our language is utter gibberish to the untrained ear. So, why would we want to protect a language that is irrelevant to us?


Concurred. We too use a universal translator, and we speak Lanthanic. "English" is not of any relevance to the World Assembly and therefore should not be protected.


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