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by The Palentine » Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:35 am
by Ract » Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:47 am
Grays Harbor wrote:
Not just debatable, downright disingenuous, and without a shred of proof offered other than the assertation that it is "fact".
by Philimbesi » Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:14 pm
Also, "TROUBLED by the tendency of nations to cut education in times of crisis," seems like a RL reference to me.
by Topid » Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:27 pm
Philimbesi wrote:Ambassador Franke,
What about nations that espouse a secular education system? Will the WA schools in those nations also teach the same secular curriculum?
by Unibot » Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:46 pm
Topid wrote:Establishes the World Assembly Academy Bureau (WAAB) which shall be responsible for:
-constructing academies in strategic locations spread throughout the world financed by the World Assembly,
-examining and testing the abilities of students who want to attend the World Assembly Academy in their home nation, and also evaluating the ability to pay tuition and other education related expenses,
-admitting an amount of talented students relative to the population of the nation to each World Assembly Academy,
-ensuring enough World Assembly Academies are constructed to prevent a youth who has taken the exam and met the qualifications to attend a World Assembly Academy being turned away because the academies are at their capacity,
Forbids World Assembly Academies to:
-charge any tuition or admission fee to the family of any student that is higher than the amount the WAAB has evaluated the family to be able to pay,
Mandates World Assembly Academies to:
-provide free food and board for every student coming from families the WAAB has deemed unable to afford food and board otherwise, and to pay for any other living or educational expense said students face, including books, and supplies for their studies,
-ensure the education received at a World Assembly Academy to be of the highest quality possible, among the best in the world,
-do all that is possible to train each student in a professional field: business, science, politics, law, the arts ect.
Vocenae wrote:Unibot, you have won NS.
by Topid » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:03 pm
Unibot wrote:Topid wrote:Establishes the World Assembly Academy Bureau (WAAB) which shall be responsible for:
-constructing academies in strategic locations spread throughout the world financed by the World Assembly,
So is the WA stealing land from its own member nations now? What if Unibot is not interested in having a academy in their nation? Is there some sort of registrar we must sign?
Unibot wrote:-examining and testing the abilities of students who want to attend the World Assembly Academy in their home nation, and also evaluating the ability to pay tuition and other education related expenses,
-admitting an amount of talented students relative to the population of the nation to each World Assembly Academy,
-ensuring enough World Assembly Academies are constructed to prevent a youth who has taken the exam and met the qualifications to attend a World Assembly Academy being turned away because the academies are at their capacity,
Ahem, in your preamble you talked about underprivileged, and probably illiterate children. Why should those children be denied because their nation did not provide them with an stellar education?
Unibot wrote:Forbids World Assembly Academies to:
-charge any tuition or admission fee to the family of any student that is higher than the amount the WAAB has evaluated the family to be able to pay,
So are we talking those who can comfortably afford the tuition, or those who could potentially sell their mudhouse, work for sixteen hours a day and sell their first born son to pay for tuition? "Pay" really just means "pay", thus the latter statement seems entirely interpretable, Ambassador. Don't you think its a little devious to suggest that this academy is available to anyone, and then only admit a selection of homeless children (for the publicity) , and a majority of well-off wealthy students. What about everyone in between? Should they have to sell their home, and throw themselves into a situation of economic instability to afford your tuition fees?
Unibot wrote:Mandates World Assembly Academies to:
-provide free food and board for every student coming from families the WAAB has deemed unable to afford food and board otherwise, and to pay for any other living or educational expense said students face, including books, and supplies for their studies,
-ensure the education received at a World Assembly Academy to be of the highest quality possible, among the best in the world,
-do all that is possible to train each student in a professional field: business, science, politics, law, the arts ect.
*points his finger at the Topidean ambassador*
Once again I'm unconvinced that you aren't using the WA to establish your own elitist league of scholastic blue-bloods.
by Omigodtheykilledkenny » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:15 pm
by Stuffy Academics » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:27 pm
by Topid » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:35 pm
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:What's confusing me is, if the problem is that talented young people are being denied a quality education because their families are poor, then why can't the WA simply fund a scholarship program for needy families? Why does it need to build and operate entire academies?
Yeah yeah, needed to be said but it's mainly fluff.RECOGNIZING the importance of education, both to an individual, and to a nation;
This was only relevant when an academy was being built in every nation.ASSERTING a nation which has highly educated leaders both in the government and in the private sector will be more effective;
Again, would have been fixable with a WA Academy in every nation, but without that the WA Academy just becomes another forign school which they can already attend by WA legislation.TROUBLED by the tendency of nations to cut education in times of crisis, when higher education is likely the easiest way to solve the problems of a nation;
Scholarships would help here.APPALLED that in many nations, extremely talented people have no opportunity to get an education because they were born into poverty,
Would only apply with academies in every nation too...REALIZING many of the world’s problems, both political and economic, could be solved in each nation, even the poor and small nations, if there existed a core of highly educated and exceptionally talented leaders;
by Unibot » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:48 pm
Topid wrote:Actually the preamble says "APPALLED that in many nations, extremely talented people have no opportunity to get an education because they were born into poverty,"
Vocenae wrote:Unibot, you have won NS.
by Mad Sheep Railgun » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:19 pm
Topid wrote:So, Plan-A has had all the teeth kicked out of it by the ambassadors. Might as well go to plan-B. I'll have a new total write-up in either tonight or tomorrow.
by Enn » Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:58 am
Mad Sheep Railgun wrote:Topid wrote:So, Plan-A has had all the teeth kicked out of it by the ambassadors. Might as well go to plan-B. I'll have a new total write-up in either tonight or tomorrow.
For future reference, you don't have to do everything that other delegations suggest. Sometimes you have to make a judgement call and say "no, I'm not going to do that".
by Sionis Prioratus » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:06 am
Enn wrote:Mad Sheep Railgun wrote:Topid wrote:So, Plan-A has had all the teeth kicked out of it by the ambassadors. Might as well go to plan-B. I'll have a new total write-up in either tonight or tomorrow.
For future reference, you don't have to do everything that other delegations suggest. Sometimes you have to make a judgement call and say "no, I'm not going to do that".
Indeed, if you want a proposal to have teeth, sooner or later you're going to have to do that.
by Grays Harbor » Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:15 am
by Flibbleites » Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:05 am
Philimbesi wrote:Also, "TROUBLED by the tendency of nations to cut education in times of crisis," seems like a RL reference to me.
OOC: It's not, not a mod, but a real life reference would be saying the Tendency of nations like [insert real life nation] to cut education....
by Topid » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:55 am
Grays Harbor wrote:It is a good thing to listen to delegates about the clauses in a resolution. It is also good to listen to delegates when it is repeatedly pointed out that a particular proposal is not worth pursueing. This proposal, mandating WA run schools at a nations expense, is not worth pursueing.
by Topid » Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:43 am
by Grays Harbor » Sun Jan 10, 2010 9:04 am
Topid wrote:Grays Harbor wrote:It is a good thing to listen to delegates about the clauses in a resolution. It is also good to listen to delegates when it is repeatedly pointed out that a particular proposal is not worth pursueing. This proposal, mandating WA run schools at a nations expense, is not worth pursueing.
It is also a good idea to read when an ambassador replies to your statements, or at least someone's statements in this talk other than yours. This was never ever at the expense of the nation. Ever.
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