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Postby Merni » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:47 am

Again, list of un-added committees:

389 GA - EPARC Medical Ethics Board*
390 GA - WA Compliance Commission
394 GA - WA Patent Office
* Name assumed, resolution states:
GA Resolution 389 wrote:[...]
6) Establishes a medical ethics board within the EPARC, tasking it to:[...]

I could take over maintaining this thread, if you're too busy?
EDIT1: Also, repealed resolutions are inconsistently referenced here, sometimes just there like normal ones( 26 GA), sometimes struck through, and sometimes not included at all (World Space Administration). I suggest including & striking through all them repealed ones.
EDIT2: All the unstruck repealed ones: 26,40,47,62,93,98,113,119,158,172,204,228,257
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Postby Araraukar » Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:58 am

Merni wrote:I suggest including & striking through all them repealed ones.

But that would defeat the point of this list, since existing committees (and yes, committees exist after their original resolution is repealed) should be used instead of creating new ones, whenever possible. Excluding WSA is probably a subconscious self-preservation decision... :lol2:
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Postby Merni » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:48 am

Araraukar wrote:
Merni wrote:I suggest including & striking through all them repealed ones.

But that would defeat the point of this list, since existing committees (and yes, committees exist after their original resolution is repealed) should be used instead of creating new ones, whenever possible. Excluding WSA is probably a subconscious self-preservation decision... :lol2:

...how does striking through a repealed one prevent it being reused? The strikethrough effect is just to communicate that the committee's resolution has been repealed.
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Postby Tzorsland » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:50 am

Merni wrote:I suggest including & striking through all them repealed ones.


I could be wrong here, but I thought precedent was that "repeals" do not abolish committees but merely remove one of more functions of those committees.

If this was not the case, adding functionality to a committee would be a "house of cards" violation, since one could repeal the resolution that created the committee thus tearing the later resolution down without a vote.

Yes you could use a lockout mechanism to say that you have to repeal all resolutions that mention a committee to kill it, but that's too much work.

To quote, Senator James F. Byrnes in 1933, “The nearest earthly approach to immortality is a bureau of the federal government.” WA committees are immortal; they never die.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:28 am

Tzorsland wrote:To quote, Senator James F. Byrnes in 1933, “The nearest earthly approach to immortality is a bureau of the federal government.” WA committees are immortal; they never die.

Well, until you repeal all the resolutions mentioning that committee.

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Postby Araraukar » Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:42 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Tzorsland wrote:To quote, Senator James F. Byrnes in 1933, “The nearest earthly approach to immortality is a bureau of the federal government.” WA committees are immortal; they never die.

Well, until you repeal all the resolutions mentioning that committee.

No, still not. You can always re-use a committee that was once established, whether or not any resolution using it was still un-repealed. This is the established functionality to encourage people to use existing committees (or sparing them the need to invent a new one).
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:12 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Well, until you repeal all the resolutions mentioning that committee.

No, still not. You can always re-use a committee that was once established, whether or not any resolution using it was still un-repealed. This is the established functionality to encourage people to use existing committees (or sparing them the need to invent a new one).

No, once you repeal all resolutions having to do with that committee, it no longer has any duties and is disbanded. This is why prior legislation which uses past committee names generally Reestablishes that committee rather than assigning a non-entity new functions. Null pointer exception.

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Postby Tzorsland » Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:32 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:No, once you repeal all resolutions having to do with that committee, it no longer has any duties and is disbanded.

Just because a committee doesn't have duties does not mean that the well paid committee members are out of a paying job. I'm pretty sure that's somewhere in the Civil Service Union Contract for Gnomes.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:07 am

Tzorsland wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:No, once you repeal all resolutions having to do with that committee, it no longer has any duties and is disbanded.

Just because a committee doesn't have duties does not mean that the well paid committee members are out of a paying job. I'm pretty sure that's somewhere in the Civil Service Union Contract for Gnomes.

Could you direct me to this civil service contract? Because I think the 'gnomes' actually all have temporary positions. Of course, absent any actual way to resolving this fact claim about a non-existent organisation, it's a matter of what you happen to believe about WA policy.

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Postby Araraukar » Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:45 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:*snip*

Take it up with Fris or Mall. One of the mods once put it into words that the committees "live" even after repealed, so that re-using them doesn't fall foul of the plagiarism rule.

And if you're honestly OOCly demanding proof of a 4th-wall-funny IC bit, you seriously need to re-examine your priorities.
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Postby Merni » Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:07 am

Tzorsland wrote:
Merni wrote:I suggest including & striking through all them repealed ones.


I could be wrong here, but I thought precedent was that "repeals" do not abolish committees but merely remove one of more functions of those committees.

If this was not the case, adding functionality to a committee would be a "house of cards" violation, since one could repeal the resolution that created the committee thus tearing the later resolution down without a vote.

Yes you could use a lockout mechanism to say that you have to repeal all resolutions that mention a committee to kill it, but that's too much work.

To quote, Senator James F. Byrnes in 1933, “The nearest earthly approach to immortality is a bureau of the federal government.” WA committees are immortal; they never die.

For God's sake, that's why I suggested including them in the list!
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