by Sionis Prioratus » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:45 pm
by Mad Sheep Railgun » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:51 pm
by Omigodtheykilledkenny » Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:01 am
by Tkdkidsx2 » Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:03 am
Riaka wrote:Son, you've just entered the exciting and frightening world of religious debate. It's much like a roller coaster, in the sense that in the next few minutes there are going to many twists and turns, potential vertical inversion, a lot of crying children and someone's probably going to throw up at the end.
by Sionis Prioratus » Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:13 am
Tkdkidsx2 wrote:"This is a truly great proposal, and will be accepted immediately. However, a plan of action must be detailed for the creation of a more suiting proposal in #62's place."
by Grays Harbor » Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:45 am
by Enn » Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:02 am
by Grays Harbor » Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:07 am
Enn wrote:Perhaps it is time to bring out the Reasonable Nation theory. Your potential definitions seem to me to be bizarre and arcane loopholes, against the spirit of the resolution. If you believe a nation is violating the obvious intent of this resolution in such a way, well, there is the potential to Condemn them.
I do not agree with your reasons for repealing this resolution, and as such will not led support.
by Charlotte Ryberg » Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:50 am
Nowhere there is a definition of “adequate meals”. This can lead to situations where a person is fed meals which are social or religious taboos, such as cockroaches or other various insects, observant Catholics being fed meat on Easter, or Jews and Muslims being fed pork, on grounds those are nutritiously adequate meals. On extreme situations, this can effectively be a death sentence by starvation;
by Grays Harbor » Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:52 am
by Flibbleites » Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:59 am
Sionis Prioratus wrote:Tkdkidsx2 wrote:"This is a truly great proposal, and will be accepted immediately. However, a plan of action must be detailed for the creation of a more suiting proposal in #62's place."
In fact, there is already one, in force:GENERAL ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION # 67
Habeas Corpus
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.
Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Gobbannium
Description: The World Assembly,
DESIROUS that the due process of law not be side-stepped by detention without trial,
CONCERNED that individuals can be harassed by repeated accusations that have been disproven in law,
AWARE of the need to balance the requirements of legal systems with the rights of the individual,
MANDATES the following:
1) That no person may be held against their will without being charged with or officially suspected of a criminal offence for more than two hours in any one week without full legal authorisation for such detention. Such authorisation may extend the period of detention to at most twenty four hours in any one week.
2) Full legal authorisation for detention without reason can only be issued by person or persons who would be permitted to direct some form of trial, and who are duly authorised by the legal system to issue such authorisation.
3) That no person may be held on suspicion of a criminal offence for more than forty eight hours without being charged with a criminal offence. Time during which judicial authorities are not active (such as weekends or public holidays) to a maximum of ninety six hours shall not be counted to this period; in other words, a person may be held for up to 144 hours provided that the judicial authorities are available for no more than 48 of those hours.
4) That a person so charged must be informed of the formal charge immediately.
5) That no person may be held on suspicion of a criminal offence for which they have been previously held on suspicion without full legal authorisation for such re-detention.
6) Full legal authorisation for re-detention on suspicion can only be issued by person or persons who would be permitted to direct the consequent trial, who are duly authorised by the legal system to issue such authorisation, and who are presented with evidence that the suspicions against the individual are materially stronger than was the case for the previous detention.
7) That a person may not be charged with an offence of which they have been acquited by a court of law without full legal authorisation for a retrial.
8 ) Full legal authorisation for a retrial can only be issued by person or persons who would be permitted to direct the consequent trial, and who are duly authorised by the legal system to issue such authorisation.
Votes For: 4,398
Votes Against: 1,636
Implemented: Fri Oct 16 2009
Frankly (as I was absent) I do not know how "Habeas Corpus" was not ruled illegal, on various grounds of Duplication, given the various overlaps.
Which was a merciful thing, considering "Habeas Corpus" is far superior.
Catholics and Jews are both mentioned in issues (heck issue #128 mentions both in the same choice) so they probably wouldn't be a RL reference.Charlotte Ryberg wrote:Nowhere there is a definition of “adequate meals”. This can lead to situations where a person is fed meals which are social or religious taboos, such as cockroaches or other various insects, observant Catholics being fed meat on Easter, or Jews and Muslims being fed pork, on grounds those are nutritiously adequate meals. On extreme situations, this can effectively be a death sentence by starvation;
Honored ambassador to Sionis Prioratus, I think these are RL references, which aren't allowed even in repeals.
Yours etc,
by Unibotian WASC Mission » Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:09 am
by Omigodtheykilledkenny » Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:13 am
by Flibbleites » Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:16 am
Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:OOC: Wasn't Max Barry mentioned in a few issues?
And yet that was certainly ruled as a RL violation, with "Max Barry Day".
by Unibotian WASC Mission » Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:18 am
by Sionis Prioratus » Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:22 am
by Unibot » Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:24 am
Sionis Prioratus wrote:OOC: Heck, Sionis Prioratus itself is played as a "Jewish Kingdom", and there's a lot of Catholic,
Vocenae wrote:Unibot, you have won NS.
by Grays Harbor » Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:28 am
by Omigodtheykilledkenny » Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:31 am
Sionis Prioratus wrote:OOC: Heck, Sionis Prioratus itself is played as a "Jewish Kingdom", and there's a lot of Catholic, Jewish and Muslim Nations and Regions across NS.
Bob, can we get an official ruling about this? If ruled illegal, please remove it from the queue, so SP can submit a denomination-neutral text.
Thank you.
by Glen-Rhodes » Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:31 am
by Flibbleites » Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:37 am
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Sionis Prioratus wrote:OOC: Heck, Sionis Prioratus itself is played as a "Jewish Kingdom", and there's a lot of Catholic, Jewish and Muslim Nations and Regions across NS.
Bob, can we get an official ruling about this? If ruled illegal, please remove it from the queue, so SP can submit a denomination-neutral text.
Thank you.
"Bob" is a forum mod, not a GM, so his opinion isn't binding anyway. But he and Ard (and whoever else is handling the WA nowadays) should definitely talk it over.
by Unibot » Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:43 am
Glen-Rhodes wrote:(OOC: Does it matter if it's a RL reference, since the repeal's argument is simply 'this thing is too vague'? I'm going to agree with Enn on the Reasonable Nations convention. In my interpretation, if a government were to feed cockroaches to one prisoner as their 'adequate meal', they would have to feed it to all other prisoners, per the CoCR. The same goes for reasonable comfort level, visitation rights, and punishment for misconduct. No ***reasonable*** nation is going to subject all of their prisoners culturally 'illegal' treatment. They would be facing quite the angry populace. Somebody who knows more can correct me if I am wrong.
Also, why is there a [sic]? 'They' can be singular as well...)
CoCR wrote:a ) All inhabitants of member states are equal in status in law and under its actions, and have the right to equal treatment and protection by the nation they inhabit or in which they are currently present.
Vocenae wrote:Unibot, you have won NS.
by Grays Harbor » Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:48 am
Unibot wrote:Glen-Rhodes wrote:(OOC: Does it matter if it's a RL reference, since the repeal's argument is simply 'this thing is too vague'? I'm going to agree with Enn on the Reasonable Nations convention. In my interpretation, if a government were to feed cockroaches to one prisoner as their 'adequate meal', they would have to feed it to all other prisoners, per the CoCR. The same goes for reasonable comfort level, visitation rights, and punishment for misconduct. No ***reasonable*** nation is going to subject all of their prisoners culturally 'illegal' treatment. They would be facing quite the angry populace. Somebody who knows more can correct me if I am wrong.
Also, why is there a [sic]? 'They' can be singular as well...)
OOC: Isn't putting people in prisons in the first place discriminating against prisoners?
by Glen-Rhodes » Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:51 am
Unibot wrote:OOC: Isn't putting people in prisons in the first place discriminating against prisoners?CoCR wrote:a ) All inhabitants of member states are equal in status in law and under its actions, and have the right to equal treatment and protection by the nation they inhabit or in which they are currently present.
I suppose those, if citizens deserve protection from criminals, criminals deserve protection from vigilantes.
by Mad Sheep Railgun » Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:21 am
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