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Carnoly
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Founded: Sep 30, 2009
Ex-Nation

Gas-Gussler Act

Postby Carnoly » Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:58 pm

NOTING the ever so growing population of people on the roads.

AWARE of the economical problems this bill could cause.

CONFIDENT that a scientific breakthrough could bring us a revolution of the car industry.

OUTLAWING cars that do not get twenty miles to the gallon (12 litres for 100 km)

PROPOSING that the only cars that are allowed on the roads are ones that get 20 miles to the gallon or better , or 11 litres for 100 km or better.

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Nordicus
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Founded: Nov 14, 2009
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Postby Nordicus » Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:01 pm

I am against this, as it does not specify what is meant by a "car." While it would be reasonable to assume that it means personal vehicles, I could see it being used against pickup trucks and such that are similar to cars, but have workload requirements that reduce their fuel efficiency.
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A mean old man
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Postby A mean old man » Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:04 pm

I think this is a joke proposal? :eyebrow:
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A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
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The Emmerian Unions
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Founded: Jan 02, 2009
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Postby The Emmerian Unions » Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:06 pm

A mean old man wrote:I think this is a joke proposal? :eyebrow:


Not sure on that, but Guzzler is spelled with two z's and not two s's.
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The Wee Mac Feegles
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Founded: Dec 14, 2009
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Postby The Wee Mac Feegles » Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:24 pm

Crivens! Nae this again?
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Rutianas
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Founded: Aug 23, 2007
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Postby Rutianas » Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:39 pm

One question.

What's gas?

These are concepts we don't quite understand in the Imperial Republic.

Major point here. Why should we outlaw our transportation methods, which we do call cars for short, because they do not get more than 'twenty miles to the gallon'? Our own methods of transportation work just fine for us and we do not have these gas cars that get more than twenty miles to the gallon. We don't have this stuff called 'gas' that's referred to in the title of your proposal.

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Grays Harbor
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Postby Grays Harbor » Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:51 pm

Carnoly wrote:NOTING the ever so growing population of people on the roads.

AWARE of the economical problems this bill could cause.

CONFIDENT that a scientific breakthrough could bring us a revolution of the car industry.

OUTLAWING cars that do not get twenty miles to the gallon (12 litres for 100 km)

PROPOSING that the only cars that are allowed on the roads are ones that get 20 miles to the gallon or better , or 11 litres for 100 km or better.


Ye Gods, where to start...

1.) Don't submit a proposal for delegate vote THEN post it here for debate.

2.) Don't ban something, then include as part of the proposal "Gee, we HOPE that sometime in the future somebody will think something up to replace that which we banned."

3.) Don't use specific "markers". That rarely, if ever, works out well.

4.) Try for something international in scope, not what is pretty much a domestic issue.
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Grays Harbor
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Postby Grays Harbor » Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:52 pm

A mean old man wrote:I think this is a joke proposal? :eyebrow:


No, it can't be. Jokes have a punchline. This is more in the "Bloody Stupid" category.
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Lootie
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Founded: Oct 28, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Lootie » Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:58 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:
A mean old man wrote:I think this is a joke proposal? :eyebrow:

No, it can't be. Jokes have a punchline. This is more in the "Bloody Stupid" category.

Have you noticed the cars that former Veep Gore demands the rest of us peons drive?
It's no joke.

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Grays Harbor
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Postby Grays Harbor » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:17 pm

Lootie wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:
A mean old man wrote:I think this is a joke proposal? :eyebrow:

No, it can't be. Jokes have a punchline. This is more in the "Bloody Stupid" category.

Have you noticed the cars that former Veep Gore demands the rest of us peons drive?
It's no joke.


Gore is a joke, but that is neither here nor there, and has no place in the GA.

This proposal, however, is a joke, as has been noticed by more than a few. ;)
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Charlotte Ryberg
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Founded: Mar 14, 2007
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:44 pm

I think the proposal is a bit to radical. If we were to care about sustainable governments, it should be simply the member states must introduce and enforce legislation to force car manufacturers to research and produce cars that would drive further for less resources. Classic 4-star, 97 and 98 unleaded, diesel and LPG, as sold widely back home, are not the only types of car fuel in the world.

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Esperantujo 2
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Founded: Nov 24, 2008
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Postby Esperantujo 2 » Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:48 pm

A "car" is understood to be a personal transportation device, powered by internal combustion and using more than two wheels. Although these are banned in Esperantujo 2, we cannot impose our red/green ideology on other nations.
The problem of fuel is another matter. The proposed resolution specifies fuel volume. A litre of gasoline, diesel, ethanol, LPG, hydrogen, plutonium etc are not equivalent.
Esperantujo 2's sympathy is with the proposer, but we're not endorsing.
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Bazatia
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Founded: Sep 15, 2009
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Postby Bazatia » Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:55 pm

I can't endorse this proposal, because this is a domestic problem. Besides, it is horribly written.
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Tzorsland
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Postby Tzorsland » Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:31 pm

[float=left]Image[/float]Does this really deserve my time?
Well no, but I’m bored and snowed out of my TARDIS.

NO!

The reasons for this are complex and detailed but they all come down to stupid. Let us first consider the opening reason for this resolution, the first line. It’s hard for a resolution to go downhill from there since it already starts at the center of the planet!

“NOTING the ever so growing population of people on the roads.”

No, no, a thousand times no; never a full stop at the end of the line. Aside from that nit pick, the notion that there is a horde of people, increasing in number, standing on all the roads of all the nations in the WA is just plain stupid. The nation of Tzorsland has a special highway plough system to clear our roads of all unwanted people.

Bah humbug, I’ll just skip to the meat of this resolution. (Where’s the beef?)

“OUTLAWING cars that do not get twenty miles to the gallon (12 litres for 100 km)

PROPOSING that the only cars that are allowed on the roads are ones that get 20 miles to the gallon or better , or 11 litres for 100 km or better.”

First, you OUTLAW, you don’t OUTLAWING, secondly don’t be a wimp, you’re writing a WA resolution; find a more manly verb than “PROPOSING.” I propose you start all over, and submit your edited copy into the WA circular file.

Assuming you have outlawed all cars of a certain criteria, then you don’t need to prohibit them on roads, as it stands to reason outlawed cars should not be allowed on roads. However, it does bring up a point that in WA nations, not all roads are public roads, thus this is also a private property issue.

(You do realize that this will only encourage the development of cars that run under coal right?)
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Lootie
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Founded: Oct 28, 2009
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Postby Lootie » Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:14 pm

If you're a True Blue Red Socialist, this is Your Car.

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How it often was propelled:
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And a history lesson On The Trabant and Socialism.

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A mean old man
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Founded: Jun 27, 2008
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Postby A mean old man » Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:26 pm

Interesting how the OP has not replied once since his/her initial post.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Bazatia
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Founded: Sep 15, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Bazatia » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:27 pm

A mean old man wrote:Interesting how the OP has not replied once since his/her initial post.


They probably saw the responses, and don't want to be ridiculed even more than they already are
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Hirota
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Founded: Jan 22, 2004
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Postby Hirota » Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:31 am

Carnoly wrote:NOTING the ever so growing population of people on the roads.

AWARE of the economical problems this bill could cause.

CONFIDENT that a scientific breakthrough could bring us a revolution of the car industry.

OUTLAWING cars that do not get twenty miles to the gallon (12 litres for 100 km)

PROPOSING that the only cars that are allowed on the roads are ones that get 20 miles to the gallon or better , or 11 litres for 100 km or better.
Legislation that encourages collaboration on developing more efficient engines might do better.
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Jeffro Topia
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Founded: Dec 10, 2009
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Postby Jeffro Topia » Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:17 pm

This is quite ridiculous to outlaw cars that don't get a certain gas mileage. It is also ridiculous that in this act we actually hope that some "breakthrough" will save us all. I will have to vote no on this if it came to a vote and would urge my fellow members to do so as well.

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The Palentine
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Postby The Palentine » Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:20 am

My Empress will definately not support this drivel. Her Imperial Hottness is particularly fond of her Mustang Shelby 500GT, and her '69 Mustang Boss 429.
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Arkinesia
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Postby Arkinesia » Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:07 pm

The Palentine wrote:My Empress will definately not support this drivel. Her Imperial Hottness is particularly fond of her Mustang Shelby 500GT, and her '69 Mustang Boss 429.
Excelsior,
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Well, Senator Sulla, I see your Empress has a fine taste in automobiles…

Really, this proposal is a bit nutty though, for reasons I believe I've mentioned. Allow me to check once more.

Ah, I see I haven't said much here.

I did mention elsewhere that our vehicles run on hydrogen fuel or algae-based biodiesel, which in fact have negative carbon emissions due to the processes by which the fuels are made. Our scientists have worked long and hard in privately-owned laboratories and have found the godhand of automotive fuels, the algae-based gasoline, which, although still expensive, would allow classics such as the Empress of Palentine's there, to not just be run, but be run without emitting any greenhouse gases!

Really, this resolution isn't very valuable. Many of us WA-ers have grown up and realized the low value of gasoline-powered cars.
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