Repeal "Nuclear Arms Possession Act" (Draft)

[Percussionland]

DEEPLY CONCERNED that this resolution condones the possession of weapons of mass destruction.

ALARMED that this resolution suggests that World Assembly nations regularly resort to nuclear war instead of peace talks.

REALIZING that though this resolution demands every possible precaution to prevent misuse of nuclear weapons, it is impossible to completely eliminate the possibility of misuse as long as these weapons are legal.

CONCERNED that the possibility of misuse of nuclear weapons is still a risk posed to nations in this day and age.

STATING that that magnitude of force is never necessary for self defense as it would kill loyal citizens if used on home soil to stop an invasion, and can only be used for attacking with intent of mass destruction.

ALSO STATING that the only way nuclear weapons can be used without severe damage to the environment and massive civilian fatalities as collateral damage is if they are detonated outside of a planets atmosphere.

NOTING that though this resolution says that World Assembly member nations may need to use nuclear weapons for self defense, we should set an international example of peace for the world to follow by drafting legislation to outlaw them.

ALSO NOTING that this resolution is old and outdated, and that new views on the topic must be heard, in the interest of maintaining updated legislation.

FURTHER NOTING that this repeal does not outlaw nuclear weapons, but deregulates them so that these new views can be heard.

HEREBY Repeals General Assembly Resolution #10 Nuclear Arms Possession Act.

[Kaalakiota Corporation]

"Ambassador, there are about 3 non-member nations for 1 member nation. They don't have to abide to our rules. If I can't get SOME kind of deterrence, I would be crushed! Strongly opposed!"

OOC: Don't use Radiological terrorism as an example. The mods have already determined it does NOT interfere with NAPA.

[Percussionland]

It clearly states how nukes can't be used as a deterrent anyway, and you wouldn't be crushed if we set an example of peace, giving no provocation for an attack. And it is outlawed by radiological terrorism, and for that reason must be repealed.

[Hobbesistan]

Welcome to the GA, good luck passing this, but it won't happen.


One does not simply repeal NAPA.

[Defwa]

It clearly states how nukes can't be used as a deterrent anyway, and you wouldn't be crushed if we set an example of peace, giving no provocation for an attack. And it is outlawed by radiological terrorism, and for that reason must be repealed.

No, it clearly states that radiological weapons that are not detonated by nuclear reactions are illegal.
Old laws are always legal unless they are repealed. Older laws have seniority and superiority over newer ones and thus are never rendered invalid due to contradiction.

You are fully within your right to try to regulate how people use their nuclear weapons, though- which appears to be your main concern. But good luck getting such a global disarmament resolution through.

Now for a bit of Defwaen history.
Until the mid 20th century, most of the world didn't know we existed, much less where we were (notably, most Defwaens didn't know about the rest of the world, either. Religious reasons, read more in our factbook!). When we started discovering the outside world, and the outside world started discovering us, our northern neighbor immediately attempted to invade. If it weren't for our mountains slowing them down and the intervention of the Democratic Socialist Assembly, our vastly out of date and unfit military would have been unable to defend us.

Not giving them a reason to invade didn't stop them from invading. Thats why nuclear deterrent strategies, enshrined in NAPA, are necessary. Not optimum, I agree. But necessary.

[Kaalakiota Corporation]

OOC: I don't feel like arguing about how it doesn't violate radiological terrorism, so im going to make it very simple.

RADIOLOGICAL TERRORISM DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH NAPA.

This point was brought up almost as soon as Radiological Terrorism was made, and would have made it illegal.

It got passed, so it doesn't affect NAPA.

Also, good luck passing this. The chances are pretty much nil. We deal with this kind of proposal often.

(Sorry if I sound rude, it's just that repealing NAPA proposals are well... bad, and they don't usually pass. Just drop it.)

[Oaledonia]

I'm not really sure if the OP understands how nuclear weapons are used.

It clearly states how nukes can't be used as a deterrent anyway, and you wouldn't be crushed if we set an example of peace

Please, ambassador, tell us how you plan to apply this train of logic to those rouge nations who aren't members of the WA

[Abacathea]

Gathering approval? If this hits quorum i'll eat my keyboard.

[Laeriland]

Yea, good luck with that, you will need it.

[Grays Harbor]

We're sorry, but your la-dee-da arguments hold no water. No support.

[Mousebumples]

ALSO NOTING that this resolution is old and outdated, and is in direct contradiction to the new and updated resolution General Assembly Resolution # 289 Radiological Terrorism, and is therefore illegal.

A couple of things that I'll be mentioning when I discuss this with my colleagues -

1) It doesn't contradict GA#289. If it did, GA#289 wouldn't have been allowed to go to vote since it would have been violating already existing GA law.

2) Even if the illegality you claim were true, illegalities can't be argued in a repeal text. They could be argued in the repeal thread (and in campaign TGs), but not in the text of the repeal itself.

If you haven't already read through my Why Repeal? post, you may want to check that out for some repeal-specific rules, all in one spot.

[Separatist Peoples]

It clearly states how nukes can't be used as a deterrent anyway, and you wouldn't be crushed if we set an example of peace, giving no provocation for an attack. And it is outlawed by radiological terrorism, and for that reason must be repealed.

"Worst argument I've ever heard. Well, maybe not the worst...The concept of Mutually Assured Destruction works and works well. The C.D.S.P. will not be surrendering its nuclear arsenal any way but warhead first..."

[Defwa]

Gathering approval? If this hits quorum i'll eat my keyboard.

I'd prefer it did. I'm curious what kind of margin this would fail by. 10:1? 20:1?

[The Two Jerseys]

No. Just no.

[Stormwind-City]

If I declare war and nuke the proposal author off the map, would this proposal still matter? So many philosophical questions.

[Schirmerland]

I vehemently oppose this bill.

[Normlpeople]

"The only concern regarding our Nuclear Arsenal will be on the side that receives them, warhead side first. While it is great you believe that some half baked 'Peace initiative' and 'Leading by example' would accomplish anything regarding the psychotic dictatorships and many other extremist regimes that exist outside the WA (as non WA states outnumber us more than 10 to 1), the only thing it would accomplish to your enemies is your nations copulation and total defeat.

It is also important to note, as was previously pointed out, that the WA does not allow for the passing of new legislation that contradicts the old. One of your arguments is an outright lie. Especially since clause #7 of the resolution you specified explicitly states that it does not affect Nuclear arms in any way.

Suffice it to say, we will not be supporting this in any form."

[Imperializt Russia]

It clearly states how nukes can't be used as a deterrent anyway, and you wouldn't be crushed if we set an example of peace, giving no provocation for an attack. And it is outlawed by radiological terrorism, and for that reason must be repealed.

No, you have stated without explanation that you do not believe it to have deterrent value.

This does not, and will never, make it true.

[Araraukar]

Please, ambassador, tell us how you plan to apply this train of logic to those rouge nations who aren't members of the WA

Hey, not all of us are warmongering idiots.

If I declare war and nuke the proposal author off the map, would this proposal still matter? So many philosophical questions.

OOC: Unfortunately war in NS needs to be mutually agreed to actually take place.

[Separatist Peoples]

Please, ambassador, tell us how you plan to apply this train of logic to those rouge nations who aren't members of the WA

Hey, not all of us are warmongering idiots.

"Hey, not all of us warmongerers are idiots!"

[Araraukar]

Hey, not all of us are warmongering idiots.

"Hey, not all of us warmongerers are idiots!"

I did say "not all of us are warmongering idiots", I didn't say all warmongerers are idiots. Would you like to have a nice giftbasket? Your choice between fruits and baked goodies.

[Separatist Peoples]

"Hey, not all of us warmongerers are idiots!"

I did say "not all of us are warmongering idiots", I didn't say all warmongerers are idiots. Would you like to have a nice giftbasket? Your choice between fruits and baked goodies.

"That's all it takes to get a gift basket? I'll have to tease you more often. Then we can resell the baked goodies and buy nuclear missiles and land mines. Step 4 will be profit."

[Araraukar]

"That's all it takes to get a gift basket? I'll have to tease you more often. Then we can resell the baked goodies and buy nuclear missiles and land mines. Step 4 will be profit."

...you might want to taste them before trying to sell them. I wouldn't be surprised if our foreign office was short-cutting on the taste department. Also, the fruit basket's fruit are from the new orchards of the PPU, part of the lease on the land, so if I was you, I'd make someone else taste those...

[Wrapper]

Hey, not all of us are warmongering idiots.

"Hey, not all of us warmongerers are idiots!"

Hey, not all of us idiots are warmongers!

Please, ambassador, tell us how you plan to apply this train of logic to those rouge nations who aren't members of the WA

Personally we have more trouble with mauve and fuchsia nations than we do with rouge ones....

And now, to keep this debate on topic, we the Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper are opposed to any repeal of this resolution. Okay thanks bye bye.

[Arkaenov]

"But Ambassador, what if I we are attacked by a non-WA nation? How will we defend ourselves if they can use nukes but we can't?" Says President Kugelblitz as he stares, befuddled, at the draft. "And my economy is heavily based on the mining of uranium and the manufacturing of nuclear weapons...this would violate my economical ideology!"