[Submitted] Sexual Education Act

[Defwa]

"The reality is, whether you like it, know it, or not, they are going to experiment anyway."

"Experiment? You make it sound like it is a science project. I realize that boys will be boys and girls will be girls. Never the less, one should stick to the submitted resolution at hand. This resolution creates an international committee to create an international curriculum that addresses, 'the effects of sexual activity and related topics such as adoption and family planning.' I strongly object to a one size fits all approach, and I point out that the term 'family planning' is code for 'abortion.' That's why its often mentioned after adoption, a process that takes place after both conception and natural birth."

"Now, perhaps a little information on my nation is in order. I represent The Organic Vegan Commune of Frustrated Franciscans. I would like to propose an interesting argument; the purpose of sex is procreation just as the purpose of eating is digestion. Putting that in a different way, it would be impossible to create a one size fits everyone approach to the education of youth in terms of safe and healthy eating. Clearly, everyone knows if you eat too much of the wrong things you will get fat. But the curriculum for a nation of organic vegans is going to be vastly different from the curriculum for rabid pesticide raised meat eaters. That's why I've proposed curriculum guidelines as opposed to a specific curriculum."

"I believe my nation has the best resources to determine what should be taught to the children of my nation. I would always appreciate any information or material on the subject matter, but I strongly object to an enforced curriculum that doesn't take into account the socioeconomic conditions within my, or anyone's nation. I believe that is not in the best interest of the children."

The correct term is "experiment"
Family planning is not always abortion. Abortion is just an option in family planning. Contraceptives are also family planning. So are fertility treatments.
The proposal isn't creating a one size fits all approach. There's no reason to believe GIBE would not update its material based on the target demographic.

[Rotwood]

"Experiment? You make it sound like it is a science project. I realize that boys will be boys and girls will be girls. Never the less, one should stick to the submitted resolution at hand. This resolution creates an international committee to create an international curriculum that addresses, 'the effects of sexual activity and related topics such as adoption and family planning.' I strongly object to a one size fits all approach, and I point out that the term 'family planning' is code for 'abortion.' That's why its often mentioned after adoption, a process that takes place after both conception and natural birth."

"Now, perhaps a little information on my nation is in order. I represent The Organic Vegan Commune of Frustrated Franciscans. I would like to propose an interesting argument; the purpose of sex is procreation just as the purpose of eating is digestion. Putting that in a different way, it would be impossible to create a one size fits everyone approach to the education of youth in terms of safe and healthy eating. Clearly, everyone knows if you eat too much of the wrong things you will get fat. But the curriculum for a nation of organic vegans is going to be vastly different from the curriculum for rabid pesticide raised meat eaters. That's why I've proposed curriculum guidelines as opposed to a specific curriculum."

"I believe my nation has the best resources to determine what should be taught to the children of my nation. I would always appreciate any information or material on the subject matter, but I strongly object to an enforced curriculum that doesn't take into account the socioeconomic conditions within my, or anyone's nation. I believe that is not in the best interest of the children."

The correct term is "experiment"
Family planning is not always abortion. Abortion is just an option in family planning. Contraceptives are also family planning. So are fertility treatments.
The proposal isn't creating a one size fits all approach. There's no reason to believe GIBE would not update its material based on the target demographic.

Felicia smiles at Ambassador Landfree
"Thank you for beating me to the punch. Experiment is the correct term, like how chefs experiment to make new dishes, distillers experiment to get different liqueurs and teenagers will experiment to discover their bodies (and those of others too ).
Also, as stated, the reasoning that family planning only equates to abortion is fallacious beyond ignorance. As Ambassador Landfree has pointed out it goes beyond abortion to the other side in helping with fertility treatments for those who want to conceive."

[Admiratio]

The WA does not have the right to determine if or how Sexual Education is handled by our nation's education system. Admiratio very strongly opposes this proposal.

[Eireann Fae]

Trying her best to maintain her polite decorum, Rowan addresses the Frustrated ambassador. "For starters, this resolution does not create the committee in question. The Global Initiative for Basic Education already exists, having been created in A Promotion of Basic Education. Also, it is only 'one size fits all' in that the GIBE will be overseeing the relevant regulations in all Member Nations - these regulations will, however, vary quite broadly from one nation to the next. Potted Plants United will receive a very different suggested curriculum and sexual health reports than Bears Armed or our own Community."

"Your argument that sex is solely for procreation is really just silly. My colleague has had sex with more people than there are Ambassadors in this room--"

"Hey!" Rowan eyes Alexandra, her face all but screaming 'Really?' The older girl ponders a moment, then shrugs in acceptance. "Yeah, okay." The young lead translator returns her attention to the Franciscan delegate.

"Anyway, she has yet to bear a child, and may never do so. Digestion is a natural process that inevitably follows consumption of edible substances. Conception is natural, of course, but not inevitable. Very few people are physically incapable of digesting - a great many are incapable of conceiving children; most of the latter group are still capable of the physical act of sex."

"The culinary curriculum of your vegan society probably is, in fact, quite different from food preparation techniques used and taught in the myriad villages of Eireann Fae. What we propose for sexual education is no different, on a physical level. Our two nations would probably share many key features in that curriculum, both having sizeable Human populations. However, the research, and the resulting curriculum, put forth by GIBE would be dramatically different in the areas of Social and emotional consequences - as our cultures are quite different in this regard - and Local ... laws and rights pertaining to sexual activity. I expect that last part alone would be sufficient for our curriculum to be as 'vastly different' as one based on 'safe and healthy eating' between your vegan culture and our hunter-gatherer society."

"You believe your 'nation' - by this we assume you mean your government - has the 'best resources' to determine what should be taught to all children that happen to reside within your borders. We respectfully disagree and, as has been stated by our supporters (to whom we are eternally grateful), we seek to ensure a well-rounded sexual education to as many individuals as possible, with as neutral a point of view as possible. It is our opinion that the only unbiased body qualified to make such decisions will be a neutral committee staffed and overseen by the World Assembly, and not held accountable to any particular politicians, parents, or pompous, pious, pushy, pig-headed princes, patricians, and padres who think they know what is good for everyone."

(OOC: Sorry for the short IC response [but I did try to make it address most of the points of contention here]. I'm as happy as Rowan to have as many vocal proponents of this proposal as there are, and hope by submitting it that more voices will be raised, whether they be to decry the proposal as IntFed tomfoolery or in support of the proposal. Preferably, though, I'd like more suggestions on improving the text, so that if it doesn't make quorum this time, I can make it that much more solid for the next go-'round and have something I can be really proud to campaign for :-)
(OOC: Totally not going to submit before the Journey to Nyx release, though; I'm going to a pre-release next weekend, and gonna have a booster box to do some booster drafting and sealed deck play with friends the week after that ;-)

[The Dark Star Republic]

"I've printed off a copy of this and am taking a look at it for suggestions to improve the text while I'm on my breaks in the employee backroom. Despite no longer being able to vote for it, we remain notionally very supportive of the effort, and will endeavour to contribute more drafting help when it's not the lunch hour rush."

~ former Ambassador to the WA Inky Fungschlammer
Server, GnomeBurger

[The Eternal Kawaii]

"How, in the name of Odin's neckbeard, does educating people equate to encouraging misuse?

When that "education" fails to include teaching the moral responsibilities inherent in the behavior being explained. Maybe some nations here are raising farm animals for children, but Kawaiians are raising human beings, with a sense of judgment of the rightness or wrongness of their actions. We have no need for some WA busybody to tell us how to do this.

[Separatist Peoples]

"How, in the name of Odin's neckbeard, does educating people equate to encouraging misuse?

When that "education" fails to include teaching the moral responsibilities inherent in the behavior being explained. Maybe some nations here are raising farm animals for children, but Kawaiians are raising human beings, with a sense of judgment of the rightness or wrongness of their actions. We have no need for some WA busybody to tell us how to do this.

"What stops you from teaching the moral responsibilities alongside the scientific facts, exactly?"

[Rotwood]

"How, in the name of Odin's neckbeard, does educating people equate to encouraging misuse?

When that "education" fails to include teaching the moral responsibilities inherent in the behavior being explained. Maybe some nations here are raising farm animals for children, but Kawaiians are raising human beings, with a sense of judgment of the rightness or wrongness of their actions. We have no need for some WA busybody to tell us how to do this.

Jericho reads back over the proposal
"Hmm... Nope, there is nothing in this that actually stops you from teaching the moral side. Though it has been our experience that when you say 'this is bad' or 'you should only do it this way' it becomes more of a temptation which will be given in to than if you don't prohibit it..."

[Eireann Fae]

Rowan addresses the mouthpiece of the Cute One. "Your so-called 'moral responsibilities' are not entirely under the purview of the GIBE, though the body is instructed to study the 'social consequences' of sexual activity within your nation, and devise a curriculum accordingly. If they fail to sufficiently take your morals into account, the proposal also specifically allows supplementary instruction from more local groups, such as families and parishes."

[The Eternal Kawaii]

Rowan addresses the mouthpiece of the Cute One. "Your so-called 'moral responsibilities' are not entirely under the purview of the GIBE, though the body is instructed to study the 'social consequences' of sexual activity within your nation, and devise a curriculum accordingly. If they fail to sufficiently take your morals into account, the proposal also specifically allows supplementary instruction from more local groups, such as families and parishes."

Then this proposal is pointless, and this Assembly's time better spent elsewhere.

[ALMF]

"The reality is, whether you like it, know it, or not, they are going to experiment anyway."

"Experiment? You make it sound like it is a science project. I realize that boys will be boys and girls will be girls. Never the less, one should stick to the submitted resolution at hand. This resolution creates an international committee to create an international curriculum that addresses, 'the effects of sexual activity and related topics such as adoption and family planning.' I strongly object to a one size fits all approach, and I point out that the term 'family planning' is code for 'abortion.' That's why its often mentioned after adoption, a process that takes place after both conception and natural birth."

"Now, perhaps a little information on my nation is in order. I represent The Organic Vegan Commune of Frustrated Franciscans. I would like to propose an interesting argument; the purpose of sex is procreation just as the purpose of eating is digestion. Putting that in a different way, it would be impossible to create a one size fits everyone approach to the education of youth in terms of safe and healthy eating. Clearly, everyone knows if you eat too much of the wrong things you will get fat. But the curriculum for a nation of organic vegans is going to be vastly different from the curriculum for rabid pesticide raised meat eaters. That's why I've proposed curriculum guidelines as opposed to a specific curriculum."

"I believe my nation has the best resources to determine what should be taught to the children of my nation. I would always appreciate any information or material on the subject matter, but I strongly object to an enforced curriculum that doesn't take into account the socioeconomic conditions within my, or anyone's nation. I believe that is not in the best interest of the children."

It is exactly this kind of human rights defying, government positions that make this bill necessary.

[Applebania]

"I represent The Organic Vegan Commune of Frustrated Franciscans. I would like to propose an interesting argument; the purpose of sex is procreation just as the purpose of eating is digestion."

"Are there not people that eat for pleasure, as well as sustanance?" Joshua says, tucking into a steak dinner.

[Stormwind-City]

Rowan addresses the mouthpiece of the Cute One. "Your so-called 'moral responsibilities' are not entirely under the purview of the GIBE, though the body is instructed to study the 'social consequences' of sexual activity within your nation, and devise a curriculum accordingly. If they fail to sufficiently take your morals into account, the proposal also specifically allows supplementary instruction from more local groups, such as families and parishes."

Then this proposal is pointless, and this Assembly's time better spent elsewhere.

I believe this is becoming a common statement among those in the WA whose arguments get defeated and thereby hope to invalidate the whole issue in question. Your thoughts ambassadors?

[The Flood]

Contraceptives are banned in the Flood and they shall not be mentioned in our education system, and thus, we must oppose this resolution.

[Stormwind-City]

Contraceptives are banned in the Flood and they shall not be mentioned in our education system, and thus, we must oppose this resolution.

Shoo, your no longer in the WA and therefore should not participate in its laws unless you plan on complying with all of them.

[The Flood]

Contraceptives are banned in the Flood and they shall not be mentioned in our education system, and thus, we must oppose this resolution.

Shoo, your no longer in the WA and therefore should not participate in its laws unless you plan on complying with all of them.

The Flood has a vote in the W/A, through our citizenless puppet nation, Bourbonia.

[Tabcorp Park]

Shoo, your no longer in the WA and therefore should not participate in its laws unless you plan on complying with all of them.

The Flood has a vote in the W/A, through our citizenless puppet nation, Bourbonia.

129 million people is hardly citizenless.

[The Flood]

The Flood has a vote in the W/A, through our citizenless puppet nation, Bourbonia.

129 million peopleis hardly citizenless.

OOC: the statistics kept by the game for the nation are not canon. It has no citizens or territory, and is a nation that exists for the courtesy title of the Emperor's heir.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

"Your Excellencies, what exactly does this proposal do, except allow family and community village idiots (e.g. religious psychopaths) to set up misguided misinformed sexual education initiatives at odds with our sensible government programmes? And also require member nations to pay attention to some useless international committee with a silly acronym when individual governments should be able to do a better job with their own existing programmes?

We are currently of the opinion that the second measure is needlessly expensive and useless, for the committee is unlikely to understand local culture without more effort than a local government; and the first measure is worse than useless, and will only be used by the pro-abstinence lobby to bleat about how contraception and copulation is the work of the devil etcetera ad nauseum; dangerous nonsense that we could well do without."

[Hirota]

"Your Excellencies, what exactly does this proposal do, except allow family and community village idiots (e.g. religious psychopaths) to set up misguided misinformed sexual education initiatives at odds with our sensible government programmes? And also require member nations to pay attention to some useless international committee with a silly acronym when individual governments should be able to do a better job with their own existing programmes?

If memory serves, one of the criticisms that kept popping up during the debate on Reproductive Freedoms was that it did not include any guidance on education or alternatives to abortion. I believe this was a draft to address those criticisms.

You are right, member states should be able to do a better job with their own programmes. Should is the key word, since it has become increasingly apparent there are member states who don't.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

You are right, member states should be able to do a better job with their own programmes. Should is the key word, since it has become increasingly apparent there are member states who don't.

We think it to be too expensive to be worth the bother. But more importantly, what of the heinous idea that pro-abstinence wackos and nutjobs are to be encouraged to set up their own initiatives?

[Defwa]

Contraceptives are banned in the Flood and they shall not be mentioned in our education system, and thus, we must oppose this resolution.

Well because of your puppet nation, this impacts none of your people. Thus you have no horse in this race and I can not understand for the life of me why you are still here!

[The Flood]

Contraceptives are banned in the Flood and they shall not be mentioned in our education system, and thus, we must oppose this resolution.

Well because of your puppet nation, this impacts none of your people. Thus you have no horse in this race and I can not understand for the life of me why you are still here!

For the purpose of other nations who do not have the luxury of a puppet state. Our Emperor is kind, and has the best interest of all holy nations in mind.

[Rotwood]

Well because of your puppet nation, this impacts none of your people. Thus you have no horse in this race and I can not understand for the life of me why you are still here!

For the purpose of other nations who do not have the luxury of a puppet state. Our Emperor is kind, and has the best interest of all holy nations in mind.

Jericho chokes back a laugh
"I dare say you don't represent all holy nations as there would be those that have no problem with this. Unless of course you have a limited definition of holy nations."

[The Flood]

For the purpose of other nations who do not have the luxury of a puppet state. Our Emperor is kind, and has the best interest of all holy nations in mind.

Jericho chokes back a laugh
"I dare say you don't represent all holy nations as there would be those that have no problem with this. Unless of course you have a limited definition of holy nations."

Of course. A nation that supports abortion is most unholy.