Stop The Blue Code of Silence

[Flibbleites]

OoC: I am no longer in the WA, so you can take this for what it's worth, but I've noticed this guy's annoying tendencies, Enn, as have the Mods, and even if I was still in the WA, I would ignore Kamenskyland, which I will now do. I have a severe visual impairment, so I have to use a frickin' screen reader to read his stuff! He fails to understand the concept of color contrast. The only way his behavior makes sense to me is if he himself has vision problems, in which case he can type things up in a word processing document and go to the control panel on his computer and click accessibility to change the color contrast as he needs it while respecting others needs to have it differently.

OOC: I'm starting to wonder if it would be an abuse of my mod powers to go in and strip out the color tags on kamenskyland's posts.

abuse? no. a kindness to the rest of us? most likely.

OOC: Since other mods did it here, it must be ok.

[Philimbesi]

OOC: If all the other mods jumped off a bridge would you...

[Flibbleites]

OOC: If all the other mods jumped off a bridge would you...

OOC: It depends on how high the bridge is, and what's underneath it.

Now, how about we get back on topic.

[Grays Harbor]

OOC: If all the other mods jumped off a bridge would you...

it depends ... are they base-jumping?

[ChengISao]

Pfff... Like they wouldn't be corrupt.

[Tanaara]

"This is one of the most assanine proposals I've come across in a long time. What a contemptable debacle." The UnDelegate snorted as he finished reading the papers.

And OOC: Illegal - RL intrusion.

[Flibbleites]

And OOC: Illegal - RL intrusion.

Care to point it out?

[Korintar]

Stop The Blue Code of Silence

I encourage you to review this excellent proposal. In the REAL WORLD Counterpolice has been proven effective under Louis XIV of France (the King’s Musketeers), under Napoleone Bonaparte, and presently and currently in Austria which unsurprisingly has the highest standard of living in Europe.

Setting aside personal enmity, please review and APPROVE the "Stop The Blue Code of Silence" proposal submitted by FASTERCAT.

http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_pro ... =0/start=0

If a person who is your political opponent on many issues has a very good point, it should be judged on individual basis.

FASTERCAT DOES have a very good point.

The system of checks and balances which exists in Government for some reason does not exist in law enforcement!

A counter-police FORCE is necessary in order to limit the power of the police. Many policemen are poorly educated and their agenda is simply power. The many laws are used only as a pretext to DOMINATE people.

(1) Internal affairs is insufficient because they are members of the same team and understandably have to be LOYAL or risked being viewed with contempt.

(2) Civil oversight committees do not have the power of apprehension and sufficient training to investigate police misconduct and lack of graciousness towards the citizens.

This will contribute TREMENDOUSLY to the improvement of civil rights!

Please hurry as there is only one day left (probably less by the time you read this) to approve the proposal.

KAMENSKY

bolded parts might explain it. Also, the title refers to a RL terminology, used in the USA. Lastly, you have the matter of proving the opening sentence of the resolution... is it really a problem in the NS world? (RL world, maybe) One must first prove that claim or fill in additional justifications for this resolution.

[Flibbleites]

Stop The Blue Code of Silence

I encourage you to review this excellent proposal. In the REAL WORLD Counterpolice has been proven effective under Louis XIV of France (the King’s Musketeers), under Napoleone Bonaparte, and presently and currently in Austria which unsurprisingly has the highest standard of living in Europe.

Setting aside personal enmity, please review and APPROVE the "Stop The Blue Code of Silence" proposal submitted by FASTERCAT.

http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_pro ... =0/start=0

If a person who is your political opponent on many issues has a very good point, it should be judged on individual basis.

FASTERCAT DOES have a very good point.

The system of checks and balances which exists in Government for some reason does not exist in law enforcement!

A counter-police FORCE is necessary in order to limit the power of the police. Many policemen are poorly educated and their agenda is simply power. The many laws are used only as a pretext to DOMINATE people.

(1) Internal affairs is insufficient because they are members of the same team and understandably have to be LOYAL or risked being viewed with contempt.

(2) Civil oversight committees do not have the power of apprehension and sufficient training to investigate police misconduct and lack of graciousness towards the citizens.

This will contribute TREMENDOUSLY to the improvement of civil rights!

Please hurry as there is only one day left (probably less by the time you read this) to approve the proposal.

KAMENSKY

bolded parts might explain it

Those parts aren't in the text of the proposal. Which is in the thread's second post.

[Korintar]

Stop The Blue Code of Silence

I encourage you to review this excellent proposal. In the REAL WORLD Counterpolice has been proven effective under Louis XIV of France (the King’s Musketeers), under Napoleone Bonaparte, and presently and currently in Austria which unsurprisingly has the highest standard of living in Europe.

Setting aside personal enmity, please review and APPROVE the "Stop The Blue Code of Silence" proposal submitted by FASTERCAT.

http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_pro ... =0/start=0

If a person who is your political opponent on many issues has a very good point, it should be judged on individual basis.

FASTERCAT DOES have a very good point.

The system of checks and balances which exists in Government for some reason does not exist in law enforcement!

A counter-police FORCE is necessary in order to limit the power of the police. Many policemen are poorly educated and their agenda is simply power. The many laws are used only as a pretext to DOMINATE people.

(1) Internal affairs is insufficient because they are members of the same team and understandably have to be LOYAL or risked being viewed with contempt.

(2) Civil oversight committees do not have the power of apprehension and sufficient training to investigate police misconduct and lack of graciousness towards the citizens.

This will contribute TREMENDOUSLY to the improvement of civil rights!

Please hurry as there is only one day left (probably less by the time you read this) to approve the proposal.

KAMENSKY

bolded parts might explain it

Those parts aren't in the text of the proposal. Which is in the thread's second post.

I edited my post above you, what is your verdict?

[Tanaara]

OOC: I thought the proposal's title : Stop The Blue Code of Silence would be considered RL - as Blue seems to refer to the one of the nicknames for police forces ( as in TheThin Blue Line)

[Kamenskyland]

OOC: If all the other mods jumped off a bridge would you...

The behavior of the mods (Forum Police) proves the Stop The Blue Code of Silence proposal right.

[Kamenskyland]

Those parts aren't in the text of the proposal. Which is in the thread's second post.

FASTERCAT will confirm that I am the co-author of the proposal.

[Enn]

OOC: If all the other mods jumped off a bridge would you...

The behavior of the mods (Forum Police) proves the Stop The Blue Code of Silence proposal right.

And if you believe that the mods have behaved inappropriately, you can appeal the ruling by either putting in a Getting Help request, or by emailing admin@nationstates.net

[violet], Reppy and Max do check up on the actions of mods. But keep in mind you've already annoyed the forum admin (Reppy), and one tech admin (Pythag). So you may want to be less confrontational.

[The Magic Spirit]

GIVEN reports worldwide of police abuse of power, corruption, malevolence and unwarranted brutality;

Since you start out with a wrong assumption, I'm having trouble taking the rest of the proposal seriously. In the last 10 years, The Magic Spirit has recorded exactly 1 case of police brutality which was handled by a national court. The officer's action led to a civilian's death and the officer received the maximum sentence for second degree murder -- he's still serving his time.

A counter-police force might sound like a good idea at first until you are reminded that these people too can abuse their power - who will reign them in? It would lead to an endless line of commisions and organizations checking on each other and a whole lot of money spend on something that could be done differently.

[Flibbleites]

OOC: If all the other mods jumped off a bridge would you...

The behavior of the mods (Forum Police) proves the Stop The Blue Code of Silence proposal right.

The fact that we mods are enforcing the rules for this forum does not prove anything about your proposal. In fact, your inability to quit posting in bloody orange text even after having been asked by multiple mods to stop, being warned for doing it, and even receiving a 1-day ban for doing it proves to me that you haven't learned your lesson. Now, KNOCK OFF THE POSTING IN ORANGE.

Flibbleites
Forum Moderator

[Kamenskyland]

A counter-police force might sound like a good idea at first until you are reminded that these people too can abuse their power - who will reign them in?

How would they abuse their power? Their domain will exclusively be policing the police. And with plenty of time on their hands that would establish law and order.

[Flibbleites]

A counter-police force might sound like a good idea at first until you are reminded that these people too can abuse their power - who will reign them in?

How would they abuse their power? Their domain will exclusively be policing the police. And with plenty of time on their hands that would establish law and order.

Congratulations your inability to follow a simple request has just earned you a 3-day ban

Flibbleites
Forum Moderator

[Enn]

A counter-police force might sound like a good idea at first until you are reminded that these people too can abuse their power - who will reign them in?

How would they abuse their power? Their domain will exclusively be policing the police. And with plenty of time on their hands that would establish law and order.

And who is to make sure that they will be enforcing the police in the right direction? Perhaps they will tell the police to do things that the police shouldn't be doing.

If you leave open an option for corruption, someone will take it.