Animal Experimentation Act [Draft]

[United Bobtopia]

It's a shame that this bill was submitted in it's current form. It seems doomed to fail.

At it's heart is a good intention. I hope the takeaway you get from this is a lesson how rushing a bill too quickly is usually self defeating.

[Abacathea]

It's a shame that this bill was submitted in it's current form. It seems doomed to fail.

At it's heart is a good intention. I hope the takeaway you get from this is a lesson how rushing a bill too quickly is usually self defeating.

A lesson we all learn the hard way at some stage or another.

[Flibbleites]

You know, it's a damn shame that the current version of this proposal isn't posted anywhere. I know it's no better than the version that is posted here, but it would make it easier to comment on.

Having said that, I have noticed a few things that I feel need to be addressed.

x. This exempts voluntary clinical trials on humans. Insofar that these clinical tests do not harm the human or sentient species.

And how exactly is someone supposed to know that the tests of say a new drug won't cause harm to the test subject without actually doing a test? I mean a company could conceivably create a drug to treat itchy, watery eyes and find out in the testing that possible side effects include: nausea, vomiting, water weight gain, lower back pain, receding hairline, eczeme, seporiasoriasis, itching chafing clothing, liver spots, blood clots, ringworm, excessive body oder, uneven tire wear, pyorrhea, gonorrhea, diarrhea, halitosis, scoliosis, loss of bladder control, hammertoe, the shanks, low sperm count, warped floors, cluttered drawers, hunchback, heart attack, low resale value on your home, feline leukemia, athlete's foot, head lice, clubfoot, MS, MD, VD, fleas, anxiety, sleeplessness, drowsiness, poor gas mileage, tooth decay, parvo, warts, unibrow, lazy eye, fruit flies, chest pains, clogged drains, hemorrhoids, dry heaving and sexual dysfunction.

HERBY proposes the Animal Experimentation Act

Who's "HERBY" and why is he proposing this?

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

[Araraukar]

*snip*

OOC: You just made my day. Thank you.

[Maynardian Diplomatic Mission to the WA]

We will be cutting into national budgets. significant it is.

Pardon our ignorance, but how exactly will this resolution cut into individual nation's budgets?

[Wu Wei Shan]

REALIZING that Animal Experimentation is sometimes necessary to make sure that a product is safe for human use.

NOTING that there is no other option.

A pox on your house! We will not support this archaic abomination, and will actively campaign against it if it ever sees the light of day.

[The Two Jerseys]

ix. Although humans are technically animals, experimentation is BANNED on any member of the human race, or sentient species found living on earth.

OK, so experimenting on sentient species living on other planets is still allowed.

x. This exempts voluntary clinical trials on humans. Insofar that these clinical tests do not harm the human or sentient species.

It doesn't matter if the tests don't harm non-human volunteers, you forgot to grant them an exemption.

[The Roman Imperial Republic]

It's a shame that this bill was submitted in it's current form. It seems doomed to fail.

At it's heart is a good intention. I hope the takeaway you get from this is a lesson how rushing a bill too quickly is usually self defeating.

A lesson we all learn the hard way at some stage or another.

I only added in a *few* details. A proposal draft i am writing may be here within the week.

[Damanucus]

Category: Moral Decency, Strength: Moderate

REALIZING that Animal Experimentation is sometimes necessary to make sure that a product is safe for human use.

NOTING that there is no other option.

OUTRAGED that some nations mutate, mutilate and sometimes even kill animals by unlawfully experimenting on them.

PROPOSES the Animal Experimentation Act

1) this act states that all W.A member states must comply to the resolutions below.
i. Animal Experimentation is defined as the use of animals in experiments and development projects usually to determine toxicity, dosing and efficacy of test drugs, cosmetics, and chemicals before proceeding to human clinical trials.
ii. This includes but is not limited to all the topics stated above.
iii. Medicine prescribed to a domesticated animal via veterinarian to cure an illness and pet grooming is 100 legal and cannot be affected by this law.
iv. Any animal subject to experimentation has to be documented by the experimenters and reported to a nations government
v. Any nation or private corporation caught violating this act can be subject to fine depending on the number of animals undocumented.
vi. Any animal that gives birth to offspring during experimentation is immune to any further testing
vii. Offspring must either be released to the wild or adopted by a family financially sound to take care of the animal.
viii. Any animal that is to be testing on must be an adult for that species and can only be tested upon for five years.
ix. Although humans are technically animals, experimentation is BANNED on any member of the human race


HOPING that this law can protect animals while not hurting industry.

HERBY proposes the Animal Experimentation Act

coauthored by The Roman Imperial Republic

Stephanie Orman takes the stand.

I am a little disappointed, in that this has been proposed after only three days in draft, with little to no debate. In all seriousness, were it not for the fact that it will probably removed from the queue in 21 hours from my finishing this speech, I would insist that the ambassador from The Fair Republic remove it from the queue and subject this draft to a proper debate on its merits and wording.

To start that off, for the benefit of the assembled council, I shall subject this to a full analysis:

REALIZING that Animal Experimentation is sometimes necessary to make sure that a product is safe for human use.

Careful there, not everyone's human.

NOTING that there is no other option.

Untrue, on so many fronts.

OUTRAGED that some nations mutate, mutilate and sometimes even kill animals by unlawfully experimenting on them.

And yes, this needs to be stamped out, but it is covered by APA.

PROPOSES the Animal Experimentation Act

Not this soon into the resolution, especially given that it's also on the bottom, making this line redundant.

1) this act states that all W.A member states must comply to the resolutions below.

Care if I rewrite this part of the resolution, where necessary?

i. Animal Experimentation is defined as the use of animals in experiments and development projects usually to determine toxicity, dosing and efficacy of test drugs, cosmetics, and chemicals before proceeding to human clinical trials.

How about:

DEFINES, for the purpose of this resolution, "Animal Experimentation" as "the use of sentient creatures in experiments and development projects to determine toxicity, dosage and efficacy in drug tests, cosmetics, and chemicals before proceeding to clinical trials involving sapient creatures."

ii. This includes but is not limited to all the topics stated above.

Remove.

iii. Medicine prescribed to a domesticated animal via veterinarian to cure an illness and pet grooming is 100 legal and cannot be affected by this law.

I think APA covers this already.

iv. Any animal subject to experimentation has to be documented by the experimenters and reported to a nations government

Probably a committee would be better for this, under the auspice of WASP.

v. Any nation or private corporation caught violating this act can be subject to fine depending on the number of animals undocumented.

Do not define penalties in a resolution; let the nations decide their own penalties.

vi. Any animal that gives birth to offspring during experimentation is immune to any further testing

A bit of a sketchy one, especially given that sometimes, the effect on an unborn or post-natal being needs to be investigated.

vii. Offspring must either be released to the wild or adopted by a family financially sound to take care of the animal.

I do not know how to actually look at this one. Can someone provide a better option?

viii. Any animal that is to be testing on must be an adult for that species and can only be tested upon for five years.

Ditto.

ix. Although humans are technically animals, experimentation is BANNED on any member of the human race.

Very bad idea, for the reasons I have already given at the top.

I hope this will assist in improving the resolution, should you choose to continue with it.

Stephanie Orman
Representative, Nomadic Peoples of Damanucus

[Abacathea]

*snip*

OOC: You just made my day. Thank you.

Ditto!!

[Baiynistan]

While we stand in solidarity with much of the sentiment of this proposal, our nation will unfortunately have to OPPOSE this act, unless the following clauses are dropped on amended:

viii. Any animal that is to be testing on must be an adult for that species and can only be tested upon for five years.
ix. Although humans are technically animals, experimentation is BANNED on any member of the human race.

In regards to point 8, while we are saddened by the prospect of animal suffering, we feel that the ability to conduct tests on still-developing animals may be vital to the advancement of modern medicine (refining the treatment of hereditary development defects and the likes) and the suffering of a number of premature (non-sapient) animals may prevent the suffering of countless generations of humans.

On point 9, we feel that humans should be able to volunteer as test subjects, provided they are made fully aware of the nature of the tests and the potential dangers that might occur as a consequence of their participation.

- People's Representative, Baiynistan, East Pacific

[Araraukar]

vii. Offspring must either be released to the wild or adopted by a family financially sound to take care of the animal.

I do not know how to actually look at this one. Can someone provide a better option?

Yeah, scrap it entirely.

Test animals are sometimes exotic animals unsuitable to the environment, or unsuitable as pets, not to mention the fact that there are lab animals that are intentionally genetically engineered to be defective in some way, such as requiring certain vitamines from food, which their normal counterparts can produce themselves. Releasing such an animal to the wild would mean dooming it to a slow, painful death. And some animal experiments involve diseases, which are passed from the mother to the offspring. Would you want to either release into the wild or give to some family as a pet an animal that carries a dangerous disease?

[The Fair Republic]

Anyone interested in reviving this act and helping me out with the new draft?

[Frisbeeteria]

Anyone interested in reviving this act and helping me out with the new draft?

Seriously? Did you read ANY of the feedback from the first round? Virtually nobody thought it had any chance at all of being revised into a passable proposal. Your science was bad. Your format was bad. Your phrasing was bad. You concept of WA rules was bad. There really isn't anything salvageable here.

[Three Lands]

Category: Moral Decency, Strength: Moderate

REALIZING that Animal Experimentation is sometimes necessary to make sure that a product is safe for human use.

NOTING that there is no other option.

OUTRAGED that some nations mutate, mutilate and sometimes even kill animals by unlawfully experimenting on them.

PROPOSES the Animal Experimentation Act

1) this act states that all W.A member states must comply to the resolutions below.
i. Animal Experimentation is defined as the use of animals in experiments and development projects usually to determine toxicity, dosing and efficacy of test drugs, cosmetics, and chemicals before proceeding to human clinical trials.
ii. This includes but is not limited to all the topics stated above.
iii. Medicine prescribed to a domesticated animal via veterinarian to cure an illness and pet grooming is 100 legal and cannot be affected by this law.
iv. Any animal subject to experimentation has to be documented by the experimenters and reported to a nations government
v. Any nation or private corporation caught violating this act can be subject to fine depending on the number of animals undocumented.
vi. Any animal that gives birth to offspring during experimentation is immune to any further testing
vii. Offspring must either be released to the wild or adopted by a family financially sound to take care of the animal.
viii. Any animal that is to be testing on must be an adult for that species and can only be tested upon for five years.
ix. Although humans are technically animals, experimentation is BANNED on any member of the human race


HOPING that this law can protect animals while not hurting industry.

HERBY proposes the Animal Experimentation Act

coauthored by The Roman Imperial Republic

Hahaha no, absolutely not. This would be a travesty that would gut scientific research with its time limits, species limits, and age limits on subjects.

[Three Lands]

Anyone interested in reviving this act and helping me out with the new draft?

Seriously? Did you read ANY of the feedback from the first round? Virtually nobody thought it had any chance at all of being revised into a passable proposal. Your science was bad. Your format was bad. Your phrasing was bad. You concept of WA rules was bad. There really isn't anything salvageable here.

I concur completely.

[Araraukar]

I concur completely.

Then why did you post? This is essentially a dead thread.